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Jimbo S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 11:57 AM
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I need help with a rebuttal
Found this in my in-box the other day. I'm sure most of you have seen this disturbing piece of trash. I believe there was a rebuttal on this site, but I checked my bookmarks and couldn't find it. Anyone help me out with a response? I want to show this guy up. THANKS!

>>>
Please pause a moment, reflect back, and take the following multiple choice test. The events are actual Events from history. They actually happened!

Do you remember?
1. 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by
a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. Harry Potter
d. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40

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etc.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:02 PM
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1. you can't enlighten a bigot from the outside.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:03 PM
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2. er, E
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 12:04 PM by northzax
Bobby Kennedy was shot, as I recall, by Sirhan Sirhan, a Baptist from San Antonio. He was born in the Middle East, of palestinian descent, but was born and raised a Christian.

don't believe me? google it.
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:07 PM
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4. Looks like you got your rebuttal, Jimbo!
Way to go, northzax. :D
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:07 PM
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3. It's only a start but you could give him a little test too.
Edited on Mon Aug-29-05 12:13 PM by Riddler
Q. On April 19, 1995, The Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma was bombed in a terrorist attack resulting in the deaths of 169 men, women and children. This act was perpetrated by:
a. Szaddam Hussein
b. Osama Bin Laden
c. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40
c. two right-wing extremist white American males
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:10 PM
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5. Here's a few, some of the details need filled in
In Texas, a Marine holed up in a tower and stared shooting students . . .

In Texas (again), a so-so sniper took out the President of the US . . .

In Oklahoma, a disgruntled mid-westerner decided to bomb a day-care center (and the federal govt. building attached), killing over 200 people . . .

Some guy noted for being a clown at kids parties (Gacy, I believe) was responsible for the deaths of several women . . .

Two well-to-do teenagers decided they didn't care to have a set bedtime and shot and killed their parents . . .

A young mother, molested by her preaching father, decided to drown her two small children and blame it on an unidentified, generic hispanic . . .

There are more examples, but the gist of it is:

None of these were Muslim male extremists between the ages of 17 and 40 . . .
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:14 PM
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6. Gacy killed teen males
not women.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:29 PM
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11. don't forget the 4 college kids gunned down by...
orders from a white male governor of the US.(James Rhoades-Kent State)
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:31 PM
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12. don't forget the 4 college students killed by order of....
Ohio gov. James Rhoades a white male.
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militaryWife Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:15 PM
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7. off another DU thread
sorry, I can't remember who the author was and I didn't copy the thread down, but this is excellent and I've kept it:


Now, here's a quiz for you guys...
In 1996 the Olympic games in Atlanta were bombed by:

a) Mary Lou Retton
b) Howard Cosell
c) Richard Jewell (you only get to pick this one if you work for the FBI)
d) Eric Rudolph, a white "christian".

In 1995, the Murrah Building in Oklahoma city was destroyed by a truck bomb, killing 168 (including 19 children). The bomber was:

a) Wile E. Coyote
b) Vanilla Ice
c) Weird All Yankovic
d) Timothy McVeigh, a white "christian".

James Bird was dragged to his death behind a pick up truck by:

a)Martin Luther King Jr
b)Elmer Fudd
c)Osama bin Laden
d)two white christian males

Ted Kazinski, the Unibomber was:

a) A Unicyclist in Ringling Bros. Circus
b) Fond of "pollack" jokes
c) Prone to extreme farting sessions
d) A white christian male

The BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) killer just sentenced was:
a) A good samaritan
b) A Pisces
c) A champion Playstation competitor
d) A white Christian male

Since the American Civil War, thousands of blacks have been lynched by:

a) The Rotarians
b) The Knghts of Columbus
c) The Cub Scouts
d) The Ku Klux Klan, a white "christian" organization.

Starting in the late 1930's, the Second World War would eventually kill over 57 million people, including 6 million Jews in extermination camps. This war was chiefly instigated by:

a) Saddam Hussein, at the age of two
b) The Marx Brothers
c) Bob Hope
d) Adolph Hitler, a white "christian". and leader of the Third Reich, a white "christian" organization

In 1994, over 800,000 Rwandan Tutsis were exterminated with the help of:

a) Raid
b) Tarzan
c) Britney Spears
d) The Roman Catholic Church and other white "christian" organizations.

Torture was the principle method of persuasion for almost a thousand years in which organization?

a) The Book of the Month Club
b) The William Shatner Fan Club Choral Society
c) The Blackboard and Fingernail Society
d) The Catholic Church, a white "christian" organization

Which Texas governor presided over 152 executions?

a) Jesse Ventura
b) Foghorn Leghorn
c) Davy Crockett
d) George W. Bush, a white "christian"

When white "christian" nations colonized the Americas, they caused the death of how many native Americans?

a) Six
b) That indian guy in the Village People
c) That guy on the "Keep America Beautiful" commercial who cries
d) About 20 million

The Thirty Years War, a squabble between Catholics and Lutherans in Europe, killed:

a) Garrison Keilor
b) Real estate prices on the Riviera
c) The radio star
d) 3-8 million people

Around 50,000 "witches" were executed over 300 years by:

a) Lord Voldmort
b) Elizabeth Montgomery
c) warlocks
d) Various white "christian" churches

Are you seeing a pattern . . . dare I say, a profile, developing here?
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Jimbo S Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:16 PM
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8. Yes. Looking for something similar to Message #3
I thought someone on DU put together a whole counter-quiz.

A big thanks to all who replied!
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:18 PM
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9. A couple of questions you could add as a retort
In 1995, 169 people were killed when The Federal Building in Oklahoma City was decimated with a truck bomb built by

a. Superman
b. Jay Leno
c. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40
d. a right wing Christian white male


In 1996 at Centennial Park in Atlanta, 2 people were killed and 111 injured from a pipe bomb made by

a. Santa Claus
b. David Letterman
c. a Muslim male extremist between the ages of 17 and 40
d. a right wing Christian white male
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elvisbear Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:28 PM
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10. Not a direct reply, but send this story to him.
US Policy Made Clear




Q: Daddy, why did we have to attack Iraq?
A: Because they had weapons of mass destruction, son.

Q: But the inspectors didn't find any weapons of mass destruction.
A: That's because the Iraqis were hiding them.

Q: And that's why we invaded Iraq?
A: Yep. Invasions always work better than inspections.

Q: But after we invaded them, we STILL didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, did we?
A: That's because the weapons are so well hidden. Don't worry, we'll find something, probably right before the 2004 election.

Q: Why did Iraq want all those weapons of mass destruction?
A: To use them in a war, silly.

Q: I'm confused. If they had all those weapons that they planned to use in a war, then why didn't they use any of those weapons when we went to war with them?
A: Well, obviously they didn't want anyone to know they had those weapons so they chose to die by the thousands rather than defend themselves.

Q: That doesn't make sense Daddy. Why would they choose to die if they had all those big weapons to fight us back with?
A: It's a different culture. It's not supposed to make sense.

Q: I don't know about you, but I don't think they had any of those weapons our government said they did.
A: Well, you know, it doesn't matter whether or not they had those weapons. We had another good reason to invade them anyway.

Q: And what was that?
A: Even if Iraq didn't have weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was cruel dictator, which is another good reason to invade another country.

Q: Why? What does a cruel dictator do that makes it OK to invade his country?
A: Well!, f or one thing, he tortured his own people.

Q: Kind of like what they do in China?
A: Don't go comparing China to Iraq. China is a good economic competitor, where millions of people work for slave wages in sweatshops to make U.S. corporations richer.

Q: So if a country lets its people be exploited for American corporate gain, it's a good country, even if that country tortures people?
A: Right.

Q: Why were people in Iraq being tortured?
A: For political crimes, mostly, like criticizing the government. People who criticized the government in Iraq were sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Isn't that exactly what happens in China?
A: I told you, China is different.

Q: What's the difference between China and Iraq?
A: Well, for one thing, Iraq was ruled by the Ba'ath party, while China is Communist.

Q: Didn't you once tell me Communists were bad?
A: No, just Cuban Communists are bad.

Q: How are the Cuban Communists bad?
A: Well, for one thing, people who criticize the government in Cuba are sent to prison and tortured.

Q: Like in Iraq?
A: Exactly.

Q: And like in China, too?
A: I told you, China's a good economic competitor. Cuba, on the other hand, is not.

Q: How come Cuba isn't a good economic competitor?
A: Well, you see, back in the early 1960s, our government passed some laws that made it illegal for Americans to trade or do any business with Cuba until they stopped being Communists and started being capitalists like us.

Q: But if we got rid of those laws, opened up trade with Cuba, and started doing business with them, wouldn't that help the Cubans become capitalist's?
A: Don't be a smart-ass.

Q: I didn't think I was being one.
A: Well, anyway, they also don't have freedom of religion in Cuba.

Q: Kind of like China and the Falun Gong movement?
A: I told you, stop saying bad things about China. Anyway, Saddam Hussein came to power through a military coup, so he's not really a legitimate leader anyway.

Q: What's a military coup?
A: That's when a military general takes over the government of a country by force, instead of holding free elections like we do in the United States.

Q: Didn't the ruler of Pakistan come to power by a military coup?
A: You mean General Pervez Musharraf? Uh, yeah, he did, but Pakistan is our friend.

Q: Why is Pakistan our friend if their leader is illegitimate?
A: I never said Pervez Musharraf was illegitimate .

Q: Didn't you just say a military general who comes to power by forcibly overthrowing the legitimate government of a nation is an illegitimate leader?
A: Only Saddam Hussein. Pervez Musharraf is our friend, because he helped us invade Afghanistan.

Q: Why did we invade Afghanistan?
A: Because of what they did to us on September 11th.

Q: What did Afghanistan do to us on September 11th?
A: Well, on September 11th, nineteen men. Fifteen of them Saudi Arabians hijacked four airplanes and flew three of them into buildings, killing over 3,000 Americans.

Q: So how did Afghanistan figure into all that?
A: Afghanistan was where those bad men trained, under the oppressive rule of the Taliban.

Q: Aren't the Taliban those bad radical Islamics who chopped off people's heads and hands?!
A: Yes, that's exactly who they were. Not only did they chop off people's heads and hands, but they oppressed women, too.

Q: Didn't the Bush administration give the Taliban 43 million dollars back in May of 2001?
A: Yes, but that money was a reward because they did such a good job fighting drugs.

Q: Fighting drugs?
A: Yes, the Taliban were very helpful in stopping people from growing opium poppies.

Q: How did they do such a good job?
A: Simple. If people were caught growing opium poppies, the Taliban would have their hands and heads cut off.

Q: So, when the Taliban cut off people's heads and hands for growing flowers, that was OK, but not if they cut people's heads and hands off for other reasons?
A: Yes. It's OK with us if radical Islamic fundamentalists cut off people's hands for growing flowers, but it's cruel if they cut off people's hands for stealing bread.

Q: Don't they also cut off people's hands and heads in Saudi Arabia?
A: That's different. Afghanistan was ruled by a tyrannical patriarchy that oppressed women and forced them to wear burqas whenever they were in public, with death by stoning as the penalty for women who did not comply.

Q: Don't Saudi women have to wear burqas in public, too?
A: No, Saudi women merely wear a traditional Islamic body covering.

Q: What's the difference?
A: The traditional Islamic covering worn by Saudi women is a modest yet fashionable garment that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers. The burqa, on the other hand, is an evil tool of patriarchal oppression that covers all of a woman's body except for her eyes and fingers.

Q: It sounds like the same thing with a different name.
A: Now, don't go comparing Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are our friends.

Q: But I thought you said 15 of the 19 hijackers on September 11th were from Saudi Arabia.
A: Yes, but they trained in Afghanistan.

Q: Who trained them?
A: A very bad man named Osama bin Laden.

Q: Was he from Afghanistan?
A: Uh, no, he was from Saudi Arabia too. But he was a bad man, a very bad man.

Q: I seem to recall he was our friend once.
A: Only when we helped him and the mujahadeen repel the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan back in the 1980s.

Q: Who are the Soviets? Was that the Evil Communist Empire Ronald Reagan talked about?
A: There are no more Soviets. The Soviet Union broke up in 1990 or thereabouts!, and now they have elections and capitalism like us. We call them Russians now.

Q: So the Soviets ? I mean, the Russians ? are now our friends?
A: Well, not really. You see, they were our friends for many years after they stopped being Soviets, but then they decided not to support our invasion of Iraq, so we're mad at them now. We're also mad at the French and the Germans because they didn't help us invade Iraq either.

Q: So the French and Germans are evil, too?
A: Not exactly evil, but just bad enough that we had to rename French fries and French toast to Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

Q: Do we always rename foods whenever another country doesn't do what we want them to do?
A: No, we just do that to our friends. Our enemies, we invade.

Q: But wasn't Iraq one of our friends back in the 1980s! ?
A: Well, yeah. For a while.

Q: Was Saddam Hussein ruler of Iraq back then?
A: Yes, but at the time he was fighting against Iran, which made him our friend, temporarily.

Q: Why did that make him our friend?
A: Because at that time, Iran was our enemy.

Q: Isn't that when he gassed the Kurds?
A: Yeah, but since he was fighting against Iran at the time, we looked the other way, to show him we were his friend.

Q: So anyone who fights against one of our enemies automatically becomes our friend?
A: Most of the time, yes.

Q: And anyone who fights against one of our friends is automatically an enemy?
A: Sometimes that's true, too. However, if American corporations can profit by selling weapons to both sides at the same time, all the better.

Q: Why?
A: Because war is good for the economy, which means war is good for America. Also, since God is on America's side, anyone who opposes war is a godless un-American Communist. Do you understand now why we attacked Iraq?

Q: I think so. We attacked them because God wanted us to, right?
A: Yes.

Q: But how did we know God wanted us to attack Iraq?
A: Well, you see, God personally speaks to George W. Bush and tells him what to do.

Q: So basically, what you're saying is that we attacked Iraq because George W. Bush hears voices in his head?
A. Yes! You finally understand how the real world works. Now close your eyes, make yourself comfortable, and go to sleep. Good night.

Q: Good night, Daddy.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:10 PM
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13. My personal favorite for conservative Reagan worshipers
On March 30, 1981 Pres. Reagan was shot, in attempted assasination, by
a. Little Opie
b. Slappy MacGee
c. Jodie Foster
d. a christian white nut-bag
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:18 PM
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14. let us not forget richard speck and marc lepine. . .
8 nurses were killed in chicago by:

a)the "el"
b)a snowstorm
c) a young muslim male
d) richard speck, a white "christian" male

14 women students were killed in montreal by:

a) sasquatch
b) a mountie
c) paul bunyon
d) marc lepine, a white male
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