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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 03:48 PM
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Video games linked to aggression in boys

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N19399792.htm

Video games linked to aggression in boys

WASHINGTON, Aug 19 (Reuters) - Most studies done on violence and video games support the conclusion that violent video games can increase aggressive behavior in children and adolescents, especially boys, researchers said on Friday.

An analysis of 20 years of research shows the effects can be both immediate and long-lasting.

"The majority of the studies would suggest there are effects," said Jessica Nicoll of Saint Leo University in Saint Leo, Florida, who worked on the study.

One study showed that children who played a violent game for less than 10 minutes and then took a mood assessment test rated themselves with aggressive traits and aggressive actions shortly after playing.


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kiraboo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 03:51 PM
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1. No shite, Sherlock! n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 03:51 PM
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2. I PLAY VIDEOGAMES!YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!
Edited on Fri Aug-19-05 03:52 PM by IanDB1
AAAAAaaaaaaarrrrRRRRRRrrrrRRrRRRrrGgggHHhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

Now shut-up, I'm gonna go play Ms. Pacman!
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 03:51 PM
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3. Ugh
:eyes:

Nanny statists strike back.
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mode13h_net Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 03:53 PM
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4. Didn't they make the same connection with comic books?
Of course the research back then was going around juvi and asking the kids what they read. When they all said comic books the researchers went "AHA! Comic Books = Bad!"

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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 03:55 PM
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5. Counter Study
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 03:55 PM
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6. They used to blame aggression in boys on the 3 stooges, too
Let's face it -- we are a violent people. I'm not saying excessive gaming (and the 3 stooges) can't cause harm but age-appropriate games and moderation is the key.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:01 PM
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7. I am confused
Does this mean that kids who play video games are more aggressive,
or
more aggressive kids are more likely to play violent video games?

How does one test for the difference?

is there something called latent aggressiveness that remains hidden unless it is drawn out by video games?

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Noisy Democrat Donating Member (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:04 PM
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8. And what do they mean by aggressiveness?
I like the book "Killing Monsters," which makes a compelling case that video games are good for kids.
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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:07 PM
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9. I play on-line video games
and the boys I play with are surprisingly smart and congenial. I have a great time with them. Not violent at all, and super sensitive. I think that's why I enjoy playing so much.
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Politically_Wrong Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:56 PM
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17. I am a boy...and I play online video games...
Online video games are more than just shooting people...I have been playing online video games for the last two years...NON STOP! And I can honestly say they have made me a better human being...I have said the wrong things sometimes over these games...And now because of that, I will NOT make the same mistake twice...I have hurt peoples feeling...people have hurt my feelings...but you know what? It has made me a BETTER PERSON!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 05:01 PM
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18. Hi Politically_Wrong!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:27 PM
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19. Welcome Politically Correct
I like your tag line, and btw, check my next post here.
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:08 PM
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10. Playing video games doesn't lead to violence
Edited on Fri Aug-19-05 04:08 PM by TlalocW
And I'll kill anyone who says differently.

TlalocW
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:10 PM
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11. Whatever. And we shot at each other with fake guns or bows and
before that kids had swordfights with sticks.

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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:20 PM
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12. Well, that's it. Might as well lock boys up in a closet
If everything makes them aggressive, I guess we'll just have to put them in a dark room with mood music to keep them under control, CONTROL, damn it. :sarcasm:

Jebus this shit is getting old. It's called testosterone, people. Has anyone thought that sensitivity to their environment is what makes boys, boys and men, men?

A much more important question to address in these stupid fucking studies no doubt paid for with our money might be to find out how boys react to stimulation in their environment and how to effectively teach boys (and their parents) to cope appropriately in both a violent and non-violent environment.

And a say this as a parent of two smart, wonderful, productive, considerate and ambitious teenage boys who have played video games for more than a decade. And yes, I am bragging.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:29 PM
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14. and makes some of us men boys
a cute woman will do it every time for me.

(Suck up that belly, hide that grey hair, smile as though I were young enough for her)
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:38 PM
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16. LOL, thanks
I needed that. I'm getting way to cranked up for a Friday afternoon.
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:22 PM
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13. I thought we were done with this
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 04:29 PM
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15. "shortly after playing"
Yeah, after a couple of sessions of Counterstrike I feel all gnarly and butch. It lasts about long enough for me to get up the basement stairs.
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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-19-05 07:29 PM
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20. Ah, why do you all think
it's just boys who play these games. I'd like to enlighten you. Girls enjoy these games too, and no, we do not become violent. There's a lot of camaraderie to on-line games, I feel that's why they are so attractive.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:16 AM
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21. but girls can't play video games, can they?
I mean, is it allowed? Are they capable of learning the controls?

Damn. there I go again, reading John Roberts' memos again.

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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:47 AM
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35. Oh yes,
our synapses fire just as fast as boys. :thumbsup:
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 04:38 PM
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37. oh yeah? try it after 3,000 pages of his writings
then see what happens.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:19 AM
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30. I know.
I've enjoyed video games since Intellivision and Atari.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:18 AM
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22. and rock and roll leads to sex and drugs nt
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:27 AM
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23. We let them spend their childhoods playing video games....
then send them off to the real thing when they are grown.

I bet a whole lot of young soldiers in Iraq are reeling from the shock of
what real war is like.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:30 AM
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24. Lots of things support agreesion. Playing football is the worst!
A relitive of mine is a Christian psychologist, and many of his patients are Pro Football players.

The other training that promotes agressive and violent behavior is THE MILITARY!

So, if all the opponents of agression and violence want to stop it, they better try doing away with pro sports, all the military and convert everyone to spelling bees!

Hell, I'm 61, and I play some of the older games like Castle Wolfinsteine. You're not going to find many less agressive people than I am. For goodness sake people, they're VIDEO GAMES!

There were some idiots, years ago, who jumped off buildings because they watched superman too, but something was wrong with the kid, not superman!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:36 AM
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25. Beating children linked to much more aggression in boys
Some aggression from video games is one thing, beating your children and continuing the vicious cycle of violence is the real problem. Violent video games are found in most countries yet you don't see boys in Canada being nearly as violent as boys in the US. Violence is learned from parents and from peer pressure. I am just not that concerned with violent video games as the facts are shaky at best. It comes down to parenting.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:38 AM
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26. Ok here's the deal
This is all about adult interaction and intervention. If you play or played video games and are not violent towards other people, there is a good reason for that. You most likely have or had an adult in your life who helped you understand the fantasy nature of the video games.

If kids are allowed to spend years of their lives playing video games, at the expense of spending time on other worthwhile activities, while largely ignored by adults (i.e their parents), then there is a darn good chance they will take on some violent behaviors, especially as problem solving techniques.

In other words, don't sit kids down in front of the video games and ignore them. Don't use video games or TV as a babysitter. That is the message of this study.

So if the shoe fits, it fits. If not, move along now, there is nothing to see here.
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Warren Peace Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:10 AM
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29. Good points.
I agree. :toast:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:45 AM
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33. Great user name
And welcome to DU :hi:

Be careful - the gamers here get quite defensive.
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Warren Peace Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 01:08 PM
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34. Thanks, proud2Blib.
:hi:
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 10:39 AM
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27. Isn't that what they said about Heavy Metal Music? nt
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Warren Peace Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:05 AM
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28. Uhh..no.
I'm a pre-teen boy who plays Halo 2, Destroy All Humans, and multiple Clancy games, and they don't make me aggressive. This is a personality thing if you ask me. x(
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:24 AM
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31. I've been playing video games for twenty years.
I'm thirty. My first system was the Atari 2600.

I was the "odd kid". Got picked on by everyone, from bullies at school to the kid that lived next door. Even the kids that got picked on and bullied, bullied and picked on me. Pretty much smaller than everyone else, uncoordinated, not into sports, etc. It wasn't fun, and I was angry and sad the whole time. I didn't really have all that many friends, and what I really liked more than anything else when it came to people my age was to just be left alone.

When I figured out I was good with music, I dove into it with everything I had. This was when I was 13 or so. I very quickly learned that even if I was ten times better than everyone else (and, actually, that was how it ended up by the time I graduated high school, and I am not tooting my own horn here; both my music directors ended up telling me separately that I had been the best student and musician to have gone through the school system in their experience), I would get not quite 1/10th the credit a "popular" kid would get for some minor achievement. The resent and bitterness I was carrying around with me by the time I graduated high school could have been delivered fresh at your doorstep in quart jars every morning for a year.

My parents booted me out of the house when I was 19 after they found out I was gay, and a year later stopped helping me pay for the music education I was getting. I had to drop out, and haven't ever been back. Music, for me, is solidly a thing of the past.

I haven't killed, or assaulted, or even spat on anyone who has done me wrong. I've been in exactly one actual fistfight in my life, and that one was with a roommate who was warned first if he did something to me again he'd get hit: he didn't like me smoking in the apartment we shared, and dumped a glass of water on me one bitterly cold winter night to 'put my fag out'- pun intended- when I literally couldn't stand outside and smoke because I'd get frostbite. I told him if he did it again, I'd get up and punch his face in. He did, and, well, so did I.

But still, I don't make threats, I don't jack people's cars, I don't grab a gun and start killing people, even taking into account the rage I hold within me. Why? Because those things are WRONG! It's a no-brainer.

I have always had a few (ha! a 'few' indeed) violent video games on hand, for those times when I just. Can't. Take it. Anymore. It helps me let off steam in a totally nonthreatening way, and always has. I do think if I had not this whole time I very well may have snapped and done something unforgivable. I'm not saying I will do anything of the kind; rather, the opposite, because I have a 'release valve' at hand.

You know what, though? I do see all these attacks on video games as the exact same kind of bullying I got when I was a kid, all grown up and wearing a suit and tie. I see it that way because of who is making the attacks and who the target is; we never hear any studies about whether contact sports tend to make athletes more aggressive, for example, or whether holding the power of an employer, one who can hire and fire at will, tends to cause people in those positions to lose their empathy and compassion over time.

Those are the 'popular kids' in the adult world. They're the 'doers', the 'movers and shakers', and they tend to look down on people who 'waste their time' playing video games. Well, guess what? That's about all I have left; hell, now, I want to make the damn things.

I have a whole lot of reasons to oppose this push against content in video games, more than just on First Amendment grounds, or because I simply happen to like many of the games on the market. You people who would try to control this had your fun with me and people like me when we were kids. If you can't live and let live, if you must insist on strictly nonviolent and nonsexual content in video games on store shelves, if you must insist on interfering with what you yourselves pushed the outcasts of society into (and look, I'm a gamer; while it's becoming a lot more mainstream the past few years, I can say from experience that video games tend to attract a whole lot more geeks and nerds than any other social group), if you just simply are incapable of living and letting live, it will bite you in the ass eventually.

The people who play these games are, by and large, the people who the 'in' groups, child and adult, reject. There are lots and lots and lots of bright, creative, smart people, people who actually make these games a social activity of their own, who are increasingly in our society being looked down upon just for what they like to do with their spare time. It's the exact same pattern of behavior I saw all through my childhood and early adult life. That destroyed me once; I'll not allow it again. I'm not going to put ten times the effort for a tenth of the gain and notice anymore

I've noticed the most heated arguments against come from people who don't play video games normally if at all. They can be summarily dismissed. Everyone else: you have your cliques, your churches, your causes. You have things you like to do. Leave us gamers alone. You already taught me a long, long time ago that we don't matter in the first place.

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I'm not sure if I was whining with that. I myself can't decide. It all looks and feels the same as the reaction I got from 'popular kids' when I was so involved in music. Now the formerly 'popular kids' want to mess with me and my interests yet again. It's sickeningly similar. I took it as a kid; I won't as an adult.

With that in mind, people against violent video games, and all you 'popular kids' of the adult world who would tamper with what I like to do in my spare time, here is my promise to you: if I ever get into that industry, and get into a position where I can make decisions about what's to happen with a game, I'll do my level best to create a game that's everything you want to regulate, times ten, and release it open source so it cannot be regulated, just to spite you.

I have had enough.



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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:26 AM
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32. losing makes boys aggressive...
THE DAMN COMPUTER CHEATS!
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 08:49 AM
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36. So does watching "The Superbowl"....
?
:shrug:
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