The rightwingers heading to Crawford to hold "support the war" rallies

[Crankie Avalon]

When they go to Crawford to counter demonstrate, they call it a "support the troops" rally, but we should label their demonstrations for what they really are.

They don't "support the troops"--THEY SUPPORT THE WAR.

From now on, every one of their so-called counter demonstrations should be referred to as a "support the war" rally.

[tsuki]

1. No, they are SUPPORT BUSH and the CONSERVATIVE AGENDA

rallies. If Bush pulled out of Iraq tomorrow, the conservatives would support the pull out. They are supporting Bush.

[johnnie]

6. Bingo

It's easy to see the difference between "us" and "them", just read the different sites.
Here at DU we get into a lot of "flamefests" because liberals have a way of thinking for themselves. If you ever read anything on their sites they are just threads with a lot of "yups".
They don't support anything that their coward doesn't support. It is really quite obvious.

[tsuki]

13. Then let's hammer them with it. They do not support the Veterans'

Administration. They do not support the returning troops. They do not injured troops. They support Bush and Bush's War. We started Bush's War, but we didn't follow through.

[Crankie Avalon]

9. I know what you're saying, but I was thinking of a term...

...that some in the larger media could maybe accept and even start to use.

It's an important shift of emphasis from having people repeating what the rightwingers want, that the rightwingers somehow are "supporting the troops" to saying they are "supporting the war." It is also a subtle enough shift for some in the mainstream media to maybe adopt.

Regardless of how much of a chance you think the above has of happening, I think we can all agree that no one in the corporate media will ever start calling them "support Bush" or "support the neoconservative agenda" rallies.

[tsuki]

12. First, there are no neoconservatives. They are Conservatives, period.

Now as to the fear that if we do not use "their" framing, we won't have a voice. We will not have a voice if we use their framing. Neocon will be discarded once that word has been villainized enough. Conservative will be resurrected as a "feel good" American belief that was derailed by radicals. Never will liberal.

So, you can't get Michele Malkin to use Conservative. Does that mean that we on the left don't?

Notice the words that they use--Supporters of Cindy, Cindy Supporters. They tie the vigil to Cindy Sheehan. Does that mean we on the left don't try to tie the "antis" to Supporters of Bush, Bush Supporters. I say that is the language we use. They are smearing Cindy to, by association, smear the Crawford quest.

Right now, the fight is not on a discredited M$M. No one, liberal or conservative, trusts the TeeVee media. I ignore them. The written word is becoming more important.

[K8-EEE]

14. But It's NOT "Conservative" They Support FASCISM

And UNENDING WAR FOR THE PROFIT OF A FEW...

[tsuki]

15. If you are a communist-socialist because you are a librul, they are

fascists because they are conservatives. The opposite ends of the political scale are not neoconservatives and liberals, they are conservatives and liberals. They frame, you speak. And then you wonder why liberal has become a pejorative.

The same thing is happening for to the protest. It is becoming Pro-Cindy or Pro-Troops. This allows conservatives to smear Cindy and discredit the protests. This is a Pro-Truth Protest. Give us the truth, or bring our boys home.

Bring up the fact that you are Pro-Troops, but Anti-War and watch them scramble. They start trembling and frothing. You cannot be Pro-Troops, but Anti-War. Why? Because they did not frame the argument, and cannot respond to it other than "you kain't."

[K8-EEE]

16. I Don't Think There's Anything "Conservative" About Their Agenda`

What's so "conservative" about pre-emptive wars and skyrocketing debt? I don't like BushCo described as "conservative" because I simply don't think they are conservative!

[tsuki]

20. But they claim they are conservatives. I have no reason to doubt

it. I don't intend to remain the loyal opposition party until my death. If the conservatives, self-proclaimed, have done this to my country, I want to take it back from the conservatives. I will not make up a new name for them to give them a "pass."

Regardless of their beliefs, nothing remain static. Conservative "values" have changed.

[FreedomAngel82]

18. Of course

Bush of course would have some huge staged event.

[Cobalt Violet]

2. I hope the recruiters show up. n/t

[HawkerHurricane]

3. Sounds like a job for...

Operation Yellow Elephant!

[zanne]

17. One sure way to disperse the crowd!

Want a group of Republicans to go away, real fast? Send a couple of recruiters to talk to them!

[Roy]

22. Best idea I have yet.... invite a couple

nt

[izzybeans]

4. As Bill Hicks said about Gulf War I "Unfortunately I'm for the war, but

against the troops" Of course he was pointing out this hypocritical position....they're living it.

[AussieDave]

5. Here's a link to some details of the proposed "caravan"

called "You Don't Speak For Me, Cindy" - these people love Bush and they love the war - as long as it doesn't involve them and theirs, but hey even if one of their sons or daughters get killed, that's Ok because he/she died for the greater glory of God and Bush.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/08/18/SHEEHAN.TMP

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Someone should meet and greet them and give them an ENLISTMENT FORM.

They have NO BUSINESS being here if they support the war.

[BOSSHOG]

8. How are they going to support the troops?

Provide them with bodybags? Volunteer to be pallbearers? Sing at the troops funerals?

They are WARMONGERS, plain and simple. Ignorant conservatives who aren't smart enough to realize there are other ways besides getting someone else's kid killed.

[warrior1]

10. Where they gonna stand

since the city council is trying to make it illegal to hold demonstration? I'm sure that the very nice neighbor of bush don't want em.

[Cassandra]

11. They should be holding that rally in Iraq...

if they support the war so much.

[anarch]

19. or "anti-peace" as somebody said in another thread

Pretty remarkable, really. Well, I suppose these people have to have something to do with their spare time now that lynching is illegal.

[Tin Man]

21. Bingo... The issue at hand is "support for the War"

Freeper types use the phrase "supporting our troops" as a euphamism for "supporting the war" and attempt to subliminally link the two in the public consciousness - i.e. if you support the troops, surely you must support the war.

The two issues are not equivalent, and we need to call them out on that.