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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:18 AM
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Anywhere but Texas
Almost any other state people would not leave a grieving mother in the ditch in hundred degree weather. They would at least offer her some lemonade or water and provide a modicum of comfort. It is just plain common courtesy anywhere in the USA except Texas. There they leave grieving mothers in the ditch and make fun of them. Any real man or any religious person would offer comfort to anyone in need. Not Bush* though he has a life.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:19 AM
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1. Horseshit!
Most REAL Texans are polite people, and would never leave someone on the side of the road like that.

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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:20 AM
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2. Damn straight!
Bush isn't from around these parts.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:11 PM
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49. And THIS is all he has to offer
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:36 AM
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16. Honestly. Don't you mean most REAL DEMOCRATIC Texans
would never leave someone on the side of the road? If what you say is true, then every person in Cawford Texas isn't a REAL Texan? If what you say is true, Cindy wouldn't be living in a ditch being eaten alive by fire ants. Where are all the REAL Crawford Texas Texans? Just askin'. :hi:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:39 AM
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19. Being from the Great State of West Bye Gawd Virginia I know...
where you're coming from! It's not everybody in Texas's fault that carpetbagging assholose like Bush move in! We have the bloodsuckers here too! Wall Street is the place to direct the anger and the hate! Greed is alive and well, in EVERY state in the nonUnion!

GAWD BLESS TEXAS!
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:21 AM
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3. It didn't used to be like that.
When the Bushes moved in and invited their biz friends to enjoy cheap land and low taxes, it all changed.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:21 AM
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4. Since you hail from The Perfect State....
Why have you omitted it from your profile?

There are good & bad people in all states.
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:21 AM
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5. With all due respect, as a Texan, I must object to your post
You do realize that hundreds of TEXANS have come to the aid of Cindy Sheehan, don't you? Have you been there? I was there this weekend, and the outpouring of support is awe-inspiring. Although many supporters are from out of state, the heavy-lifting, the day-to-day long haul, is being carried by TEXANS.

Please don't paint all Texans with the same brush. Cindy Sheehan is being left in a ditch by Dubya, and as any REAL Texan knows, Dubya is NOT a Texan.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:22 AM
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6. Thank you moc!
And welcome to DU! :hi:
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moc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:24 AM
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7. You're most welcome, Lisa!
And thanks for the howdy-do.

:hi:

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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:26 AM
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8. Yee-Ha!
Welcome to DU!

"Howdy Partner!" (from California) :hi:
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:27 AM
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9. I'm from Texas and I object to your stereotype
"Texans" do not leave grieving mothers in the ditch. Please put the blame on George Bush. A large number of the people who were out at Camp Casey were Texans from all over the state. (Plus Bush is not a Texan).
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:31 AM
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15. What is he then (bush)?
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:38 AM
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18. From Greenwich, Conneticutt...
more lately of Kennebunkport, Maine...
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:52 AM
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31. I doubt those states wouldl like to claim him either.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:28 AM
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10. That was helpful. Feel better now?
In case you haven't noticed, there are plenty of Texans who have visited Camp Casey and have lent support in various forms. But go ahead and judge us by the actions of a few most specifically, bush who is a fake Texan.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:45 AM
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24. The OP sounds like another version of the South-bashing
that goes on, repeatedly, here.

Like everyone in the South is a Bush fan, which is NOT true. Most Southern states are red by virtue of the Electoral College. Yes, some red states have as many as 60 percent of their voters who have had the wool pulled over their eyes, but there's an average of about 40 to 45 percent of us in each state - and that's a lot - who aren't stuck in some other reality.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:49 AM
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28. It gets tiring, doesn't it? n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:28 AM
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11. Crawford Texas.
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 11:30 AM by in_cog_ni_to
I find it hard to believe that EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN CRAWFORD TEXAS LIKES BUSH and supports him! For those people to ostracize Cindy and make her suffer the way they have, is unforgivable. Shame, shame, shame on them all.

on edit, I do not believe ALL people in Texas are like those in Crawford....just to be clear. ;)
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:29 AM
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12. Every person in Crawford DOES NOT LIKE BUSH!
Crawford does, in fact, have Democrats.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:31 AM
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14. Where are they then?
Why aren't they standing up and supporting Cindy? Are they out there helping her?
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BeTheChange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:36 AM
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17. Im confused..
What are they supposed to do? How are is the average resident of Crawford TX making Cindy suffer?
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:41 AM
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20. The mayor of Crawford voted for Kerry-the newspaper in Crawford
Edited on Mon Aug-15-05 12:20 PM by liveoaktx
is the Iconoclast which is sure not pro-Bush. Even Larry Mattlage, who doesn't like all the people intruding into his life, is not pro-Bush.

On edit, I meant to say that the mayor voted for Kerry. The place that most was angered by stuff (and gets the most publicity) is this yahoo country store that cashed in by supporting Bush and upgraded the ONE place in town that isn't all dusty and run down... and put 10 commandments and a liberty bell in front. Now they LOVE Bush because their cash register is ka-chinging.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:47 AM
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27. Kudos to the Iconoclast! They are the ONLY Crawford people I Have read
about who support Cindy. If there are more, I haven't read about them. I've only read about the hateful things they have done. If some Crawford citizens have helped her, post it here and I will apologize for thinking ill of Crawford Texas.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:49 AM
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29. Incidentally, the editor of the Iconoclast lives in a different town
Clifton, where he also has a paper. This makes TWO towns surrounding Bush that have papers that are not sympathetic.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:59 AM
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35. That's good to know.
:hi:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:42 AM
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23. Well, have they brought in water for her? Did they offer to help bring her
food? Have any of them maybe offered her their camper to sleep in instead of a tent? Have they stood out there with her to show support? Maybe someone could have offered their water hose for people to fill jugs of water? Have any of them done ANYTHING for her? I'm not there, I don't know, but I certainly haven't read ONE story about ANY Crawford citizen offering her compassion or help of ANY kind. :shrug: Have you met any Crawford supporters of Cindy and her cause?
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:47 AM
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26. People didn't line up in rows and announce their locations
and I'm sure some forgot to bring their RFID-enabled identity papers.

The woman whose house is directly north of Camp Casey was quite supportive and has crosses in front of her house.

On a related note, did you know that the Waco Tribune, in the last election, supported.. KERRY?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:58 AM
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34. No, I didn't know the Waco paper supported Kerry. GOOD FOR THEM.
I'm not saying ALL Texans are bad people. I have many, many relatives (aunts, uncles and cousins) that live there...THEY are bad, bigoted and ignorant assholes who LOVE Bush, but I KNOW we have MANY Democratic Texans. :) Please don't take this personally just because you live in the state. If people insulted Illioisans, I wouldn't be offended. We have our fair share of assholes here too...in fact, I'm surrounded by them! ALL my neighbors are repukes. You can insult them all you want.....I'll join you. :evilgrin:

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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:01 PM
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36. I have no problems with insulting ignorant a-hole rednecks of any state
what I am objecting to is wholesale criticism of an entire state as in "Everyone from Illinois is an asshole" or "Nobody in the city of X supports this position", that patently aren't true.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. OK. I'll change my statement
to...MOST people of Crawford support Bush? Does that work? If there were Crawford citizens who support Cindy, I think they would have made the news....as an anomaly? Would you at least concede that a MAJORITY of Crawford citizens support the asshole?
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:08 PM
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39. Nope. Won't concede that.... The District Crawford is in
has a Democratic rep-Chet Edwards, despite the Republicans attempting to redistrict him out. The district he was in before was... Fort Hood. The new district he has right now includes the VA Hospitals in Waco and Baylor and it's right in the thick of the Bible belt.

I just don't think you can trust the media accounts to tell you accurately who does or who does not like Bush. Someone from my town has kin that live near Bush and he doesn't like it.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:20 PM
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42. Man, you are stubborn!
;) OK. You know best. You live there. :hi:

I know Chet Edwards from C-SPAN. I'll NEVER forget what he said about Tom Delay and the repuke Texas legislators sneaking in the Capitol building in the middle of the night, locking all doors and doing their gerrymandering magic. It happened on Sunday, Mother's Day and Chet called it a "Mother's Day Massacre" and he was pissed as hell about it and it showed! Chet's OK in my book. :thumbsup:

Alright, I'll just sit here in Illinois and keep my big fat mouth shut about Texas/Texans. :hug:
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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:17 PM
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41. maybe you should go to
the Texas forum and educate yourself on what's happening. Then maybe you should visit some of the other state forums and see just where the most concerned DU'ers are speaking out and ACTING!!

If you rely on the MSM, you'll know zilch.
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BeTheChange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:24 PM
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45. She has plenty of all these things..
and a huge group of people that are ready to deal with any whim she has..

There arent really neighbors like she is camped out in suburbia, you'd have to be familiar with the country to understand. It isnt as if they can drag out a water hose. She isnt on the main strip, most people just stay away. If the people of crawford were really being difficult then theyd be out protesting her presence, which they arent. The people who are are driving in.


For the most part, people in Crawford dont appear to be getting involved on either side. There are some on Prairie chapel with signs in their lawn about how they support the president, if the president's presence helped feed your family out in the middle of BFE, you might do the same. Im not going to judge them. We all have our demons.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:31 AM
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13. Every state would react the same. Everything's politics. No exceptions.
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movie_girl99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:41 AM
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21. Please don't paint us all with the same brush
I was there this weekend and i would be willing to say that about 85% of the cars there were from Texas. We cam out in droves to support Cindy and her cause. Bush is not from Texas, he's from Connecticut if I'm not mistaken. I was really impressed with the Sheriffs there and told them so. They are doing their jobs and IMO doing them well. They were polite and even when a ladies car was going to get towed I think she got a chance to go and get it before they took it. As far as offering lemonade, many of us that went this weekend took water, snacks etc.....
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:41 AM
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22. Bush could just as easily have chosen to be a Floridian like Jeb...
...and that crazy gun-shooting neighbor could be in any number of rural communities. Besides, many more Texans have come out to help.

As silly and provincial as people sound when they get on a soapbox about "southern hospitality" and how "America is the greatest country in the world," it's just the opposite side of the same coin to make generalizations that happen to be negative.

They may deviate a little here and there with regard to minor local customs, but on larger issues of kindness and humanity "people are people," regardless of where they live.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:47 AM
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25. State-bashing thread.....drive-by thread....all rolled into one!
Imagine that! :eyes:
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:55 AM
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32. Possibly you are correct but even you must admit Texas has a reputation
The most people put to death from any state. Compassion is just not Texas's strong point. Granted a broad brush was used but ask yourself why do people from other states feel this way about Texas. I know I am not alone in my feelings.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:57 AM
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33. Why? Because people like you repeat the stereotype
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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:23 PM
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43. They feel this way
because, even though in 2000 there were thousands of us in Texas pleading with all of you to read the record. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOo, the rest of the states had enough idiots (we aren't unique) and they put him in the White House, not once but twice!!

NOW, like people everywhere, who need to blame someone else, they blame all of Texas. Well, go to a friggin freeper board and vent. That's where the Texans and the rest of them you're looking for can be found.

The people who live in Texas, who are at DU, were on the frontlines, begging, pleading, sending out the warning. We were ignored and now we get the blame.

SCREW IT!!!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 11:51 AM
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30. Bush didn't move to Crawford until 1999.
He was born in Connecticut, his daddy lives in Maine.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:02 PM
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37. Actually Bush's parents live in Houston.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:11 PM
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40. You never hear of that home. Most of all you hear is of
their place in Maine.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 12:23 PM
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44. For taxes purposes. n/t
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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:06 PM
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46. They are not really Houston residents
During Poppy's VP years and Presidential years and years at the UN, China and CIA they ALWAYS maintained a home in Maine. When they came to Houston, they lived in a hotel suite. A hotel suite that provided them a voting address, which provided them a pseudo residence so they could CLAIM a home/hotel suite in Texas, which exempted his millions (just like his buddies) from a state income tax.

Now they have a home here that they use like their rich buddies do, for income tax breaks. They are here part of the winter months, when they aren't vacationing somewhere, but as soon as the weather breaks in Maine, they're back at their true family home. The home they have maintained for all those years they "lived" in a hotel suite in Houston.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. At the Dem State Convention back in 1988, we rented the suite out...
and had a party. As I remember, baloney was the main course.

My wife and I were Al Gore delegates back then.
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merci_me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:39 PM
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50. I remember that!
My husband and I were delegates for Dukakis at that convention.

We didn't get there for the baloney sandwiches, but could have used some brought over to the George R. Brown. As I recall, the first night, we were at the hall til 3am and had to be back bright and early.

We were fairly new to Texas and discovered What-a-burger that night/morning, trying to find a 24hr place eat.

Ya coulda sent some baloney over to the Credentials Committee, lol
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 01:53 PM
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51. Sorry about that!
As I remember that was a fun convention. Gore was still fighting (more for future credibility, I believe), but everyone rallied around Dukakis at the end.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 07:28 PM
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52. Well I'll be darned.
Thanks for that bit of information. And here all this time I thought they lived in Houston (in the Memorial area) most of the time. Tsk tsk. You learn something new everyday.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-15-05 07:29 PM
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53. They lived at the Houstonian
My Boss's condo was right down the street and I could stand on the balcony and see the helicopters all the time.... Now they are in River Oaks
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