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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:50 PM
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Men, James Dobson Says You Should Show Your Son Your Penis
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 04:37 PM by liberalpragmatist
Brad Plumer (http://plumer.blogspot.com ) and a few other bloggers are having quite a bit of fun with James Dobson and Focus on the Family. Firstly, there are Dobson's tips with how to tell if your little child may be homosexual:

http://www.focusonyourchild.com/develop/art1/A0000684.h...

Helping Boys Become Men, and Girls Become Women



Is My Child Becoming Homosexual?
Before puberty, children arent normally heterosexual or homosexual. Theyre definitely gender conscious. But young children are not sexual beings yet unless something sexual in nature has interrupted their developmental phases.

Still, its not uncommon for children to experience gender confusion during the elementary school years. Dr. Joseph Nicolosi reports, In one study of 60 effeminate boys ages 4 to 11, 98 percent of them engaged in cross-dressing, and 83 percent said they wished they had been born a girl.

Evidences of gender confusion or doubt in boys ages 5 to 11 may include:

1. A strong feeling that they are different from other boys.

2. A tendency to cry easily, be less athletic, and dislike the roughhousing that other boys enjoy.

3. A persistent preference to play female roles in make-believe play.

4. A strong preference to spend time in the company of girls and participate in their games and other pastimes.

5. A susceptibility to be bullied by other boys, who may tease them unmercifully and call them queer, fag and gay.

6. A tendency to walk, talk, dress and even think effeminately.

7. A repeatedly stated desire to be or insistence that he is a girl.

If your child is experiencing several signs of gender confusion, professional help is available. Its best to seek that help before your child reaches puberty.

By the time the adolescent hormones kick in during early adolescence, a full-blown gender identity crisis threatens to overwhelm the teenager, warns psychologist Dr. James Dobson. To compound the problem, many of these teens experience great waves of guilt accompanied by secret fears of divine retribution.

If your child has already reached puberty, change is difficult, but its not too late.


But, as Plumer points out, the real comedy gold is in Dobson's newsletter, where he excerpts a chapter on homosexuality from his book. In it, he exploits some poor young boy with homosexual urges who is scared of going to hell. Then he urges fathers to affirm their son's "maleness and quotes a Dr. Joseph Nicolosi with the solution to "pre-homosexuality":

http://www.family.org/docstudy/newsletters/a0021043.cfm

...the boy's father has to do his part. He needs to mirror and affirm his son's maleness. He can play rough-and-tumble games with his son, in ways that are decidedly different from the games he would play with a little girl. He can help his son learn to throw and catch a ball. He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole in a pegboard. He can even take his son with him into the shower, where the boy cannot help but notice that Dad has a penis, just like his, only bigger.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

***

So there you have it. Fellow men of DU, if you have a son, you know what you must do. Shower with them. Show them your penis. Because you know that when he sees a bigger penis he'll suddenly realize he wants to be a man and won't be gay!

UPDATE: Some seem to take issue with the suggestion that fathers (or mothers) showering with their young children is somehow immoral or weird. But let's be clear about what Dobson is proposing - it's one thing for a parent to shower with a kid out of convenience or just because the family isn't uptight about nudity. That's not what Dobson is proposing. He is proposing that men should shower with their young sons in order to instill in their sons a sense of manhood and awe at their father's penises, so hopefully the son will be impressed and not become gay. That IS perverted, whatever you feel about showering with young children in general. (Plus, while there is some evidence Dobson and Nicolosi mean only very young children, it's not at all clear that they don't mean this for children older the 4 or 5 as well).


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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:51 PM
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1. Couldn't we get arrested for that?
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 03:52 PM by htuttle
I mean, especially if the kid started talking about it at school or something...

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babsbunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:51 PM
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2. EEEEEUUUUUUUWWWWWWW!!!!!
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:01 PM
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15. Just don't take a picture of it and have it developed at Walmart...
...or you'll be on the front page of your local newspaper.

Seriously, Dobson is advocating that men expose themselves to their sons. To most people, that would be an act of incestuous homoeroticism. The question must be asked:

Is James Dobson an incestuous homosexual pedophile?
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:52 PM
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3. I'm not surprised...
But other than saying that I'm at a freakin' loss for words. What planet is he from?
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:54 PM
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4. What happens...

...if the kid notices that dad has a penis, just like his, but SMALLER?

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KarenInMA Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:56 PM
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8. mwahahahah!!
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:01 PM
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16. LOL!
Good one!

My son has such a big mouth that if my husband did that it would be all over the school. A couple of years ago while the two of them were wrestling around, my son got a carpet burn on his chin (don't worry -- he was fine!) Whenever he was asked what happened, he would reply "daddy did it."
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:39 PM
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122. See the joke I posted below (post #121) /eom.
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 11:40 PM by tblue37
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:55 PM
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5. Then when he looks at it, beat the hell out of him and call him a faggot.
Hmm, I guess Dobson edited out that part.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:56 PM
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7. LOL!!! ***SO*** like their thought process too!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:45 PM
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69. Of course
Remember that dad in Florida who was wrestling around with his son because someone told him they thought his son was gay? So the dad wanted to "toughen" him up only he killed the boy. :mad:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:36 PM
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86. LMAO
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:55 PM
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6. "He can teach him to pound a square wooden peg into a square hole..."
My dear old dad spen t lots o' time with me, pounding a square wooden peg into a square hole.

Mom and I would pound a round peg into a round hole.

Taught me everything I needed to know about bein' a man.

Poor Timmy down the block, his dad would pound a round peg into a square hole with him. Don't ask how Timmy turned out.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:57 PM
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11. HAHAHAHAHA
What is their reasoning on that one? That a square peg in a square peg symbolizes "straight"?
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:58 PM
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13. I have no idea....
Maybe it's something to do with the manly use of hand tools, versus the effeminate use of knitting needles. It sure strikes me funny, though...
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:04 PM
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21. Notice he said teach him to pound the square peg into the square hole.
It is pretty much intuitive with most Liberal's children...
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #21
108. I understand the symbolism of the ROUND peg and ROUND hole but
can't for the life of me figure out what corresponds to square pegs and holes. Just not very anatomically correct............
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:34 PM
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42. Hey!
Knitting is rather sexual, if you look at it symbolically. I take the needle in my right hand, put it through a loop, wrap yarn around it, and bring the loop back through the first loop--and do it over and over again.! ;) Knitters often joke about it.

I'm just lost on what pounding pegs has to do with "teaching" someone to be hetero. Honestly, I think they've all gone 'round the bend.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #42
57. Aw man, I can't post without pissing anyone off!
:) :) :) :) :) :)
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:22 PM
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59. *Snicker*
:D

:rofl:
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:10 PM
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101. ROTFLMAO!!! nt
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:24 AM
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129. Funniest post I've read in months!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:56 PM
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9. To judge by his books...
Ryan Dobson appears to have issues of his own. He notices that Daddy has a readership just like his own, only bigger.

Might the Dobsons have, um, "conserved too much water" during Ryan's childhood?
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:04 PM
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20. BWAH-hahahahaha! Only bigger...
Now THAT's entertainment!
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:56 PM
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10. Creepy
And liberals are supposed to be immoral? He probably gets some sort of sick pleasure out of saying that.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 03:58 PM
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12. And if some man would do that at bus stops...
Oh, wait... that's illegal, innit?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:00 PM
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14. A friend of mine was thrown out of his house for being gay
He was forced to out himself to his gay-hating parents, who then ordered him out of the house. He was just 19 (living at home while he was working and attending community college) and he left for New York. I lost contact with him for awhile. Then about a year later he was called by his mother who told him that he could come home if we would attend "reparative" therapy TO "cure" him of his homosexuality. He refused and they have not spoken since then. I have not heard from him in over a year. I last heard from some mutual friends that he was doing odd jobs from city to city up and down the east coast. I heard another person tell me that he heard my friend had left for Canada and was basically homeless.

This kid parents are, of course, James Dobson fans.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:07 PM
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24. Ah yes....who would Jesus make homeless?
Sick, just sick.

Somewhere, some higher power is shaking it's head in disbelief.

I hope your friend finds some peace, and a loving home.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #14
31. Makes me want to adopt a kid.
When I hear stories like this, I want to be a foster parent to a gay kid.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. That's actually a great idea...
Imagine if there were some kind of network for that.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:36 PM
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45. Happened to several friends in college.
Nazarene college (Dobson's Nazarene, so many in that church are huge fans of the guy), naturally. It still sickens me to this day.

One friend's dad sent her a bill for everything they'd ever spent on her and a note that he was repossessing her car. I don't think they've spoken since.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #45
55. I would have
spiked the engine. "Repossess away, asshole."
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:45 PM
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70. I'm not sure what she did.
I was an underclasswoman at the time, and I heard much of it through other friends at the time. I was just horrified, and she did tell me later that she did give the car back (couldn't afford the payments) and tried to pay for the college for herself and ended up leaving.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #45
109. How black must your soul be to hate your own children
just because of who they love? Unbelievable. Fuck that, I'd set the car on fire on daddy's front lawn, and if I were her, I'd get it on w/my girlfriend by the firelight just for good measure.

I can't wrap my mind around that kind of hate and ugliness.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #45
110. didn't Keyes stop paying for school and apt for his lesbian daughter??
after the campaign was over, of course, for which she had taken time off from college
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:02 PM
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17. Mother of two Daughters - One Lesbian and One Straight
I wonder what his criteria would be for girls?

Neither of my girls growing up wanted to play with dolls or wear dresses. Both of them were Daddy's Girls. My straight daughter was the better athlete of the two. She is the one who played ice hockey with the boys (checking) and in college. My lesbian daughter actually had more boyfriends growing up than her straight sister did. My straight daughter did not want to go to the Prom, whereas her lesbian sister went the whole bit; date with a boy, hair, nails, dress, etc.

Enough to make Dobson's head explode with stereotypes?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:12 PM
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29. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #17
56. I'm a straight guy
who didn't particularly like rough and tumble sports and liked to hang out with girls.

This guy's an idiot.
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:25 PM
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104. My husband likes a lot of so-called feminine things
Loves to dance. Wishes he'd pursued dance professionally. Loves to collect cute figurines. Loves to hang around with women. Loves so-called chick movies, i.e. love stories. Loves to shop. Even loves cats. And when he was single he had a better sex life than any of his friends because he practically had to beat the women off with a stick. He'd be out at a bar with his friends and their dates would slip him their phone numbers.

So Dobson's "confused" boys are actually headed for a good sex life, if my hubby's experience is any indication.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:05 PM
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79. Really
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 06:28 PM by FreedomAngel82
When I was younger I didn't care much for proms and dances and the like. I didn't like dresses either but I liked skirts and stuff. I'm pretty straight last time I looked I liked men. Heh. And in a another post of mine I mention my cousin. Basically she was like your straight daughter (even wore boy clothes!) and now she's married. She still wears jeans and hunts and things like that. :eyes: Dobson is a lunatic.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:02 PM
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18. This guy is a danger to children
That's like a blueprint for raising a dysfunctional child who hates himself and is sure his father hates him too. Why isn't there a psychologist out there ripping apart his nonsense?

Except the showering part, being comfortable with nudity would be beneficial to any human being.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:10 PM
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27. Dobson IS a psychologist :sarcasm:
Plus, according to him, his views are the correct ones and other psychologists are just brainwashed by the liberal elite, political-correctness and the homosexual lobby.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:38 PM
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49. Actually, he isn't.
He got his Ph.D in sociology, not psych. He doesn't say that too much, and there are many of his followers who honestly think he's an MD. He constantly lies about that through omission and changing the subject.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. Yeah, I figured he wasn't an actual psychologist
Which is why I put "sarcasm" after I wrote that.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:44 PM
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53. It just burns me that he never corrects it.
I used to have to listen to his show whenever I was at my in-laws and all, and you wouldn't believe how many times listeners call in and call him doctor and thank him for going to med school and all. I never heard him correct anyone.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #49
71. Do you have a link for that?
I'd love to see that.

I'm stunned.

I thought that he claimed to have a PhD in psychology.

What is he doing writing "psychologically oriented" books if his degree is in sociology?
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. I read that in one of his books once in a bio bit.
I'll see if I can find it again. I will say that I remember one of my profs at college confirming that, but I don't know if he read the same thing I did.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:54 PM
Original message
I research the religious right ... and do presentations for my local DFA.
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 05:55 PM by Maat
My understanding is that his PhD was in 'child development,' which could mean any one of many things.

Interesting.

I've never understood how he is the biggest 'minister' who really isn't a minister, but who calls his work 'a ministry.'
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:05 PM
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80. It's a pretty plastic word.
Anything can be a ministry if it's related to the Gospels and seems to be what God wants us to do. I've heard it used in all sorts of ways.

It sounds like you're right about his degree in child development. I wonder which dept. it was in.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:15 PM
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81. That's the $64 question.
Anyway, the point is that he used his degree in psychology (or whatever) to build a 'ministry,' that is really a political organization.

I just don't get him - that guy has ISSUES bigtime.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:03 PM
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92. I think it's more that it's all mushroomed.
From what I've heard from people who follow him, anyway, is that things started out simple and just mushroomed from there. He started out writing a book to help parents (and has re-written it several times ;) ), and then it went to a radio program, and then it went to a magazine, and then it went to a group, and then it went to politics. It seems that his followers wanted it just as much as he did. :shrug:
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 08:32 PM
Response to Reply #92
98. Eh ... no doubt.
But he definitely has morphed into a very weird political cult-like religious hardrightie.

My buddy gets his e-mails (we write for the local DFA).
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #80
85. But does he actually use the gospel books??
That's what I want to know. The gospel books are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John which Jesus Christ are mentioned in and his preachings and all that. All the other books aren't gospel because they don't have Jesus Christ in them. Most of the other books are either history of the religion itself and how things came to be or letters to the first century churches.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #85
91. He refers to them all the time.
I was using Gospel in the larger sense of the Good News of Christ, as described at the end of the Gospel of St. Matthew in the Great Comission.

He does refer to the Gospels as well as the other texts within the Bible. Sometimes his references are odd, though, and don't entirely mesh with what he's saying.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #73
77. This is what I've found so far.
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 06:04 PM by knitter4democracy
"Dobson holds a doctorate. in child development from the University of Southern California, where he taught for 14 years as an associate clinical professor of pediatrics at the medical school. He also worked for 17 years on the clinical staff of Children's Hospital in Los Angeles."

http://www.catholic.net/rcc/Periodicals/Igpress/CWR/CWR...

The quote is pretty far down under "Mass Market Counseling." Frankly, it's a disturbing site, so be fore-warned.

edited to say that everything I can find so far agrees with that. Frankly, that's pretty scary, but it looks like I was wrong.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #49
84. So can't someone get him from that??
He's claiming to be an MD and "cure" people but he has no proof of anything. From what I see he's actually doing more harm then good. Any lawyers in the house?
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:33 PM
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105. Where's Old Lefty Lawyer? n/t
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:43 PM
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68. He's definitely dangerous
all the more frightening considering how truly influential he is :scared: :puke:
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:02 PM
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19. James Dobson: Now on Michael Jackson's speed dial...
nt
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:07 PM
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25. LOL!
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:05 PM
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22. Don't forget the rough and tumble pounding of a peg into a hole!
Dobson, NAMBLA, same difference.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:07 PM
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23. I'm gay, but was never effeminate.
Wow, just really reveals his ignorance. He thinks kids are gay if they want to be like the opposite sex. I never did. Maybe some gay transvestites or transexuals did, but that's only a segment of the population.


Furthermore, instead of "playing rough and tumble" why not just find out what your kid likes to do and do THAT with him? Wouldn't that be just good parenting?

What an asshole.
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BabboonBush Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:34 PM
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43. I'm not gay
and I totally agree with what you are saying.

As a child I never did like football and sports. It wasn't my thing. Maybe it was because I sucked in sports, and always goofed it up for the team. I don't know. So if my father forced that on me I'd be very upset and it would have driven a wedge between me and him.

Some boys don't like "guy stuff" as it's always stereotyped. You don't have to fit into a stereotype to be a heterosexual man. So I think the man is taking it too far here and painting with too broad of a brush.

I agree. Do things with the kid that HE likes rather than try to force some type of masculine image on him.

And the penis in the shower thing? Ugh, I won't even GO there...

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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:22 PM
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60. I was one of the
worst "tomboys" ever. I played ball, loved playing with guns, liked trucks and cars, loved rough and tumble, and I can remember being horrified when I started developing, and I wished I could be a boy. Not too long after that, though, I started seeing boys in a different light. Everything fell into place and I found out it was really pretty nice being a girl. I was obviously straight as an arrow. I'm extremely glad I did not have parents like Dobson.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:06 PM
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93. Isn't all this just a reaction to the Women's Movement?
Haven't Feminists been saying to de-genderize (is that a word) kid play, and isn't all this a reaction against that, saying that kid play teaches sexuality?

Frankly, I don't care if either or both of my kids turn out to be gay or whatever. They enjoy playing different games and all, and they're happy with it. Who am I to force my son to give up pretend cooking (his favorite since 18 months of age or so) or my daughter to give up sports? It's what they like to do, and it makes them happy. It's not like they're hurting anyone or themselves, which would be my main concern with "rough and tumble" games.
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A Brand New World Donating Member (803 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:01 PM
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99. My son is 24, tall, dark & handsome. He was never a rough & tumble
kid, didn't like sports, even though he is very physically fit. Drove the coaches crazy because he had absolutely no interest, very non-competitive. He is an artist, sensitive, considerate and will faint at the sight of blood. But he is definitely not gay and as his parents we never even thought or considered that as a possibility. He has had many girlfriends and is recently married. Boys and men do not have to be over-the-top masculine. They should be themselves.

Dobson is an ass!!
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:12 PM
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112. He's not INTERESTED in good parenting, he's interested in orchestrating
a pre-emptive strike if you will against his own and his followers possible future feelings of guilt due to their childs gayness.

Lots of these idiots equate gayness with crack whore...... as in, what did we do wrong? With his book they can assure themselves that all the wrestling sessions, penis displays and square peg pounding have absolved them of all responsibility. If their child is gay, it's ok to go ahead and hate them.... after all, it's not THEIR fault, they did EVERYTHING RIGHT!
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:08 PM
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26. Jeezusfuckingchrist
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:12 PM
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28. I saw my dad's wang a lot.
I just thought to my self ..... "damn I hope I get a big one like that" .... thanks pop!!

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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:22 PM
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115. Yeah, I saw my dad's pecker and I was like "WHOA!"
Sadly, mine remained small, in spite of my near-constant tugging. :-(

Dobson is an absolute ass...and anyway, if your kid turns out gay, SO FUCKING WHAT?
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:13 PM
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30. Nicolosi is a Quack
Not unlike 'dr.' Paul Cameron.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:15 PM
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32. A lot of young kids shower with their parents
I have no problem with that. And a lot of kids take baths with kids of the other sex. I have no problem with that.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:19 PM
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34. But showering with your kid to keep him from being gay?
And the question is how young? I can see a kid younger than 5 showering with their parents - particularly if the mother or father (alone with the child) wants to keep an eye on the child.

But for a father to shower with his son with the intention of impressing the kid with the size of his penis? Or make an effeminate kid more masculine and "less gay"? Plus, Dobson doesn't even indicate how old the kid should be for this - I'm sure most people would agree that showering with an 8 or 10-year old kid because you're afraid they're gay is pretty weird.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:18 PM
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33. I saw my old man's penis as a child
I'm still gay as a green goose. So now what Mr. Dobson? What an idiot!
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:39 PM
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50. Same here.
Now I'm just a psychologically scarred fag.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:23 PM
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61. LOL!
Poor thing.

Yes, one day I saw my dad's weenie and suddenly thought, "Wow, I don't have to dream about men anymore - I have a weenie of my own!"

My only problem after that was hairy palms and blindness.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:32 PM
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62. ...


:rofl:
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:34 PM
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63. good thing it's only the palms...
otherwise, how would you read Braille? :7
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:21 PM
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36. Isn't that illegal?
Because I sure know it's hilarious! :rofl:

Oh boy.

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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:22 PM
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37. Dobson
who once wrote about having a thunderdome match with his yipdog to show him who's whut.

C'mere James, let's compare weiners and smoke cigars like real men.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:22 PM
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38. I've showered with all three of my kids.
When they were very little...no big deal. I think my daughter stopped getting in the shower with me when she was three, and my older son stopped when he was four (not out of modesty...they just decided that they liked baths better). I still shower regularly with my youngest infant son.

It has nothing to do with being wierd or reaffirming their sexuality...it's just damned hard to shower with a little kid running around when the other parent is at work!

And for the record, Mr Dobson needs to realize that there are extreme dangers that go along with showering with children. My daughter once slipped in the shower and, trying to steady herself, reached out and grabbed something very sensitive. She was only two at the time and thought her daddies howling was HILARIOUS afterward :blush:
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:33 PM
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40. But again - how old and what's the purpose?
Dobson and his ilk are proposing that men bathe with their young sons not out of convenience or more innocent reasons. What he's proposing is for fathers to shower with sons they think might be gay so that their son will be impressed by the size of his father's penis and gain confidence in his manliness. That IS perverted. And taken to the logical extreme it means showing a young, possibly homosexual boy lots of big penises, because you know that will turn him straight.
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:41 PM
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51. Ouch!
My husband and I worked different shifts for years, so both of us had at some point or another showered with our kids. But, like you, they were both rather young and it was for safety reasons rather than trying to impress the little ones.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:23 PM
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39. I should send that link to my nephew-in-law.
The other day my niece told me that her husband got all bent out of shape because his 3 and 5 year old boys wanted nails like her. Now he thinks they will become gay! She takes them with her all the time to the nail boutique (no babysitter). He gets mad at her and she told him since he always wants her to drag the kids with her, he shouldn't be complaining. There are other instances where he made comments about gays. He is a homophobic.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:35 PM
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44. Tell him to whup it out!
That'll take care of them little fairy-bond brats!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:34 PM
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41. Oh goodie, I get to say it again.
That man is not fit to raise a house cat.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:37 PM
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46. So THAT'S what he means when he calls everyone "my son"!!
"Come here, my son, I've got something to show you..." :evilgrin:
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:37 PM
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47. Holy Crap - this kind of stuff makes my head wanna asplode.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:38 PM
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48. if *I* had a son, i would show him
my box turtle
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 04:45 PM
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54. As if little boys don't have enough issues without being "made" into men
:eyes:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:14 PM
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58. That's just wrong on SO many levels.
This gay man would NEVER have wanted to shower with dear old dad. And it wouldn't have made a difference. Dobson obviously has some latent homosexual feelings himself.
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cbear70 Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:34 PM
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64. can't stop laughing
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard ...so stupid I just have to laugh...

seriously... I just don't have the words.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:39 PM
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65. Oh My God...
And this guy claims to be a psychologist? I know someone who does counseling and the like (a Christian consoler) and sometime I'll have to ask him what he thinks of this. This is pure nuts (no pun intended). Also wouldn't showing him that and making him like it work backwards??? Wouldn't you want to show him boobs instead?? This doesn't make any sense to me. My brother played with my Rainbow Brite doll when he was little and he likes girls. :eyes: He also didn't "play rough" with my dad but we did play baseball. I even played too. Does that mean I'm gay? No. :eyes: My cousin also when she was younger was a BIG-TIME tomboy. She even wore boy clothes! But now she's a little bit more femine (she still hunts and wears jeans and stuff) and she's married. :eyes: This guy should have his psychology permit taken away.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:49 PM
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74. Except he doesn't have one
This guy should have his psychology permit taken away.

As another poster kindly pointed out, he has a PhD in sociology. Now, I suppose ANY doctorate awarded to him should be taken away, but he isn't even a psychologist! And people think he's gone to med school! And he never corrects that impression. He even calls himself a psychologist and when people tell him how much they admire him for going to med school he doesn't even say anything to discourage them.
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:20 PM
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102. James Dobson doesn't have a penis?
Well, that explains some things...
:rofl:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:39 PM
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66. Yes, a father can do all those things with his son...
but I don't think a father can do anything to change who his son is sexually attracted to. That's the bottom line.

And who the hell cares?
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:42 PM
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67. Dr. Dobson - I have a straight son and you don't know dick!!!....
Helping Boys Become Men, and Girls Become Women

Is My Child Becoming Homosexual?


Before puberty, children arent normally heterosexual or homosexual. Theyre definitely gender conscious. But young children are not sexual beings yet unless something sexual in nature has interrupted their developmental phases.

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP!!!! I didn't need a scientist or Dr to tell me that my son was blatently attracted to women at a very early age - when he was three years old he pinned up a picture of Cindy Crawford in his room!!!! Actually had a couple of pictures and numbered them in order of some three year old's ranking of fabulousness. My husband and I had NOTHING to do with this - in fact at three, we barely had any discussions about sexuality. He was just flat out born straight - just like my sister was just flat out born gay.

These people need to have a reality cocktail.
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:46 PM
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72. He is a fucking sick man
Please tell me he has a connection with bush so I have another tool to talk to people that still support shrub?
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:50 PM
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75. Oh plenty of stuff on him and Bush
Just google "Dobson" and "Bush"
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 05:54 PM
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76. what happens to the boys when it is the mom that plays rough and
tumbles. hubby doesnt wrestle with boys. i do way way more. they love to wrestle to me. wonder what dobson does with that one. oh and one boy, 6 in all his joy laughter and happiness oooooozing out of him, on toes jumping up and down, (watching a show) hubby and i look at each other and say, can you say gay. we laugh. at ten. not thinking so. but sensitive, reflective, brilliant, verbal,.......so many things that doesnt fit in the "boy" catagory. lol lol

they are just tooooo afraid
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:04 PM
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78. I think I'm going to be sick.
These men should not be allowed in shelters during hurricanes.

:hide:

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:17 PM
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82. It's easy for him - he's a living penis head
Fucking shit head.
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Not_Giving_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:18 PM
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83. OK, wait, let me make my head stop spinning
If you're worried that your boy might be gay, you should teach him to pound objects into holes and scare him with your hairy man-parts?

What do you do for girls? Teach them to cook and go topless?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:38 PM
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87. Dobson might also suggest
Beating up the family puppy together, as a way to instill the manly virtues. He tells a story about beating the family dog in one of his books, to show it who is boss. He seems to be seriously deranged.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:45 PM
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88. So that's why my son
is not gay. He didn't shower with his dad and really did have gender confusion. The proof was asking when he was not quite 3 how people know if kids are boys or girls if they don't have clothes on. He was observant enough to see that they dressed differently but a little doubtful when I told him the anatomical difference.

Soon after we were at a very busy restaurant and his dad took him to the bathroom. Suddenly his young voice yelled out "Daddy look at all the penises!" His enthusiasm at the discovery could not be dampened quickly enough. As he came out he ran to me yelling that I was right, boys all had penises. Could he go in the girls bathroom now and see how they went potty? He happily told gazing patrons nearby that boys have penis's and girls don't.

Thank goodness we saved him from his gender confusion. He turned out just fine because he saw a roomful of penises. Thank God for urinals.

I only became aware of Dobson under a year ago when I saw him on a Sunday political show. I was shocked by the horrid little man and wondered who he was that he was even on.
And I still wonder. He might have a sick following, but why feed it by acting as though anything he has to say is worth airing?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:46 PM
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89. I'd hate to hear Dobson's explaination for teaching about sex
But I bet it involves incest.

Its in the Bible, after all...
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 06:59 PM
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90. You just pound the square peg in the square hole. Maybe his wife has
a square hole...and he has....oh gawd, never mind...???
:eyes:
:evilgrin:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:17 PM
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94. Inspired by this thread:
:D

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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:24 PM
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95. When our boy was toilet training and not really getting it, he used
to go in the bathroom when his dad was urinating. I think it helped him to understand how he should be doing it. But it was meant to be a lesson in mechanics and not a psychological ploy. He grew up straight, but only because he was born that way...not because he saw his father's penis.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:33 PM
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96. Does he recommend foreplay before they "pound the peg?"
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 07:33 PM by Sparkly
It reminds me of some old books I've collected, from the late 19th and very early 20th centuries. Apparently, back then they were VERY worried about masturbation.

Here's one tip for making sure your kid stops doing it (paraphrased from one of the books):

One night when you put him to bed, give him the usual warning about not handling himself, and tell him there's a dreaded disease that happens to boys who do. Its first symptom is a grey spot on their abdomen, and horrible things can happen as it develops.

Then, when the child's asleep, get some ashes on your thumb and go put a grey spot on his abdomen. The idea was that he'd wake up and freak out.

(I'm not kidding. This was actually recommended.)
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 07:34 PM
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97. I can't. My ex got it in the divorce.
*sigh*

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Saphire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:08 PM
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100. This is just wrong, in so many ways....
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:25 PM
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103. This is funny, but it's not.
Too many people get hurt by crap like this.

When I was in high school one of my friend's mom called me and asked me flat-out if he was gay. She was scared to death he might be. The issue was so far off of my radar I was dumbfounded. How would I know? Her words made so little sense to me that I didn't even comprehend what she was talking about until after we'd said good-bye.

But that story turned out okay. Love overcomes a lot of evil.

My most horrible experience in college (maybe even my entire life) was the direct consequence of parents who refused to accept that their daughter was gay. Her mom eventually came around to some sort of grudging acceptance, especially once she had grandchildren, but I like to think her dad is standing in some shower of flame in hell and the devil is in there with him wearing his Dobson skin and showing off a "bigger" penis.

Thinking about this kind of thing makes me appreciate my own parents. They've always had gay friends, and growing up it was simply unremarkable to me. If I'd happened to be gay nothing about my relationship with my parents would have changed. I could have announced my engagement to another man, and my mom would have kissed me, and told me how excited she was, and asked us if we'd set a wedding date. My dad would have maybe rolled his eyes a little bit, but hen then he would have suggested some honeymoon involving fishing trips in Alaska or Mexico.

My mom probably had a lot more problems with my Catholic Church wedding than she might have had with any gay wedding. Her relationships with the Catholic Church are generally very troubled.

Before the wedding, my sister-in-law, who also has troubled relationships with the Church, asked the music director if she could try out the organ. The music director agreed, and my sister-in-law played something from Queen.

One of the nuns listening said, "That's pretty, what is it?"

I didn't know, but God Bless Freddie Mercury.


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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:33 PM
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106. This is a joke right?
Sigh, sadly it is not.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 09:50 PM
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107. James Dobson is most detestable of the Radical Clerics of Religious Reich
James Dobson is the most detestable of the Radical Clerics of the Religious Reich. From his early days as an advocate of child beating to his recent Fatwa on SpongeBob, this guy is a despicable sadistic nut-case through and through.

***

Religious Superstition Threatens to Destroy Civilization (Again)


The Religious Right is really OUT OF CONTROL and is exerting a greater and greater influence on our society. They are flexing their muscles in the political process, the economy and our entire culture.

Let us remember that the first time Christianity spread rapidly and gained control of the government (from 200 - 500 AD) it resulted in the utter collapse of Western Civilization and ushered in 1,000 years of darkness, superstition, ignorance and suffering.

Finally, after a millennium of Darkness, mankind began to see the Dawn of The Age of Reason and The Enlightenment. Humanity recovered some dignity, science was freed from the chains of religious superstition and real progress began.

The Constitution of the United States of America was one of the crowning achievements of The Enlightenment, being a document for the Establishment of a government that did NOT MAKE ONE SINGLE REFERENCE TO "GOD". With the establishment of the United States, government as well as science was freed from the domination of religious superstition.

Now, every day in the news there is some story about how the religionists are exerting their influence. Radical Clerics like James Dobson and Jerry Falwell get air time on network news. Religionists are organizing and boycotting businesses that do not adhere to their version of personal morality.

The specter of religious superstition is once again casting a frightening shadow over our world. The ghosts and demons of the Dark Ages, once believed to be banished forever by Reason, are again haunting our culture. Christianity destroyed civilization once before - it could happen again.

Antidote to Fundamentalist Nut-Cases is a Revival of the Freethought Movement


I think what we need is a Freethought movement similar to what the US had around the turn of the 20th century. Robert Ingersoll was touring the country, lecturing on secularism and exposing the claims of revealed religion to be false. Unless something breaks the stranglehold of religious fundamentalism in the US - and in the world - I think we are going to continue the slide into Theocracy and destruction.

Robert Ingersoll's "Why I Am Agnostic"
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_inger...

Thomas Paine's "The Age of Reason"
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine...

The Freethought Zone
Science and Reason Over Religion and Superstition

http://freethought.freeservers.com /

Freedom from Religion Foundation
http://www.ffrf.org /

Secular Humanism
http://www.secularhumanism.org /

Secular Web
http://www.infidels.org/index.shtml

Complete Works of Robert Ingersoll - Online
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_inger...

Dominionism's Theocratic Designs and Radical Clerics


Fundamentalist Radical Clerics such as Falwell, Dobson, and Robertson are not merely medieval throwbacks or misguided religious hacks. They are part of a well organized subversionary movement known as "Dominionism". Dominionism constitutes a serious threat to American Democracy. These Radical Clerics have developed and are executing a detailed plan to gradually replace the free, secular democratic society of the United States with a Theocracy.

It is critical that people become aware of the extreme agenda these people have for the United States and ultimately for the world. The results of the 2004 Presidential Election were not a fluke or something that was drummed up over a period of months. It has been in planning for over 20 years, and what we are seeing take place now is, in the words of Katherine Yurica, "the swift advance of a planned coup".

The Swift Advance of a Planned Coup: Conquering by Stealth and Deception - How the Dominionists Are Succeeding in Their Quest for National Control and World Power
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheSwiftAdvance...

The Despoiling of America: How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOf...

Video on the Christian Reconstructionist Dominionist Theocratic Agenda
http://www.theocracywatch.org/av/video_dominion.ram

The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party
a public information project from TheocracyWatch.org

http://www.theocracywatch.org

The Religious Right - An Anti-American Terrorist Movement
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8816.ht...
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:00 PM
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111. Dobson is a nutcase!
Seriously, he should be put in a sanatorium!
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Raiden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:17 PM
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113. Dobson is such a self-loathing closet queen
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:20 PM
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114. So now nudism and exhibitionism in the family is considered God-fearin'
clean-livin' Christian righteousness. When I was a kid my parents never even mentioned the word sex. I don't think adults need to get involved at all in trying to decide a kid's emerging sexual preference. It wouldn't work even if they tried. When I was a kid, I had to find out where I stood preference-wise like all the other kids in my neighborhood, by interacting with other kids - - not adults.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:29 PM
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116. Did Dobson join NAMBLA?
That whole man/boy image he paints....made me wonder....

Julie
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:34 PM
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117. I like this one: "A susceptibility to be bullied by other boys"
So, when some bigger kid kicks the crap out of a smaller one, let's be sure to blame the victim, huh?

And what are the boys with a "susceptibility to bully"? Good 'Merkins and Strong Upstanding Dobson-Style Christchunz, I'd wager.

What a fucking CREEP.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:50 PM
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120. Yup.
"If you weren't such a fag, they wouldn't pick on you."

Er - right.

:grr: :nuke:
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:48 PM
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118. This is so sad
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 10:48 PM by Strawman
How many thousands of fathers are going to take this guy's advice and try to straighten out their gay sons, many of them sincerely believing they are doing the right thing?

A guy I used to work with used to try to get men with sons from work to come to meetings he organized to view tapes of Dobson's seminars for raising boys. This co-worker was not a bad guy. I'm sure he loves his kids and means well, he's just brainwashed with this nonsense from his mega-church. It's a sad thing.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:49 PM
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119. I didn't know Dobson was a comedian!!!!!! He's hilarious! (nt)
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 11:00 PM
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121. Forgive me--but I gotta do this.
Edited on Wed Aug-10-05 11:35 PM by tblue37
A little boy and a little girl are sitting on the porch. The little girl says, Do you know what a penis is?

The little boy answers, No, but ll go ask my mom.

So he goes into the house and asks his mom, Mom, whats a penis.

The mother, a bit flustered, says, Maybe you should ask your daddy about that.

So the little boy goes upstairs and finds his father in the bathroom, just stepping out of the shower. Daddy, he says, whats a penis?

The father points to his own and says, Son, thats a penisand its a goddam perfect one!

The little boy looks for a few moments, nods, and heads back downstairs to sit out on the porch with the little girl again.

Well, she says, did you find out what a penis is?

Yep, he says, standing up and dropping his pants. He points to his own penis and says, That is a penisand if the sonofabitch were three inches shorter it would be goddam perfect!
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 01:07 AM
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123. hahaha
actually, I think someone already posted that on this thread somewhere else.

But this thread is the first I've ever heard it. Good joke.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 08:01 AM
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132. Well, if someone else did,
he/she did it after I did. I read the whole thread last night before posting the joke. But here's another one for you:
A little boy and a little girl are outside competing with each other. The little boy says, I just got a new bike.

The little girl says, Oh, yeah? Well, so did Iand mine is bigger and fancier than yours.

The little boy tries again, Im getting a puppy next week, he says.

The little girl responds, So what? My dog just had puppies, eight of them, and were keeping them all!

The little boy says, We are going to the lake for a vacation this summer.

The little girl says, Hmph! We go to the lake every weekend. For summer vacation we go to Miami so we can stay in a hotel on the beach. And were going to Disney World, too.

This goes on for several minutes. No matter what the little boy has, the little girl has more and better.

Finally, the little boy drops his pants, points at his penis, and says, Well, I bet you dont have one of theseso there!

The little girl is very invested in asserting her superiority, so she goes crying into the house when she realizes she has no answer to his challenge.

But a few minutes later she returns, as smug as ever, and says, I told my big sister what you said, and she says it doesnt matter. Then the little girl lifts her dress and sneers, She says as long as I have one of these, I can get as many of those as I want!


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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 02:19 AM
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124. This is a hoot and sad all in one!
Evidences of gender confusion or doubt in boys ages 5 to 11 may include:

1. A strong feeling that they are different from other boys. Check! I always knew I was different.

2. A tendency to cry easily, be less athletic, and dislike the roughhousing that other boys enjoy. I have always been sensitive. I cry when I watch 'Animal Planet' and the animal dies at the end of the show! I was always athletic, just not a 'sports nut.' And roughhousing with other boys....fucking LOVED that! MMMMM!

3. A persistent preference to play female roles in make-believe play. Check...if I was playing Wonder Woman or Kelly Garrett from Charlie's Angels as I have a thing for 'strong, beautiful' women.

4. A strong preference to spend time in the company of girls and participate in their games and other pastimes. I liked girls...they brought around CUTE boys! I am no dummy!

5. A susceptibility to be bullied by other boys, who may tease them unmercifully and call them queer, fag and gay.
It's my fault other boys' were assholes? Talk about blaming the victim!

6. A tendency to walk, talk, dress and even think effeminately. How does one 'think' effeminately? Does this mean we don't think about beating the shit out of/blowing up things 24/7? Talk effeminately? "Hey sailor, come up and see me sometime." or what?!

7. A repeatedly stated desire to be or insistence that he is a girl. Well, there was that time in the car that I stood up and started singing,at the top of my lungs, "I am Woman" by Helen Ready...does that count?

As for seeing my dad naked.....EWWWWWWW. Now, there was this one neighbor I wouldn't have minded seeing....but that is for another site! :evilgrin:
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:00 AM
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125. And the next step, according to Dobson...
...is to try to cure adult homosexuals by showing them your penis!

:evilgrin:

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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:55 AM
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126. Yo pops, hold on while I whip this sucker out.
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 03:56 AM by nookiemonster
:crazy:

eom
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:03 AM
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True story..
When my younger son, now 40, was in his teens, one of his friends asked him if there was anything he could do to get his mom (his dad and I were divorced, and he lived with me) to turn against him...his friend mentioned announcing that he was gay, for example.

My son thought about it for a split second, and said "Oh, no, being gay, as long as I'm happy, wouldn't bother her. I'd just be scared shitless to tell her I've turned Republican.."

That is a true story. Actually, I will love my children regardless of their political views, or anything else. My children, however, know that Republicans represent a true danger to the world, or they do in my opinion. The Neocons are the most dangerous of all.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:03 AM
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127. True story..
When my younger son, now 40, was in his teens, one of his friends asked him if there was anything he could do to get his mom (his dad and I were divorced, and he lived with me) to turn against him...his friend mentioned announcing that he was gay, for example.

My son thought about it for a split second, and said "Oh, no, being gay, as long as I'm happy, wouldn't bother her. I'd just be scared shitless to tell her I've turned Republican.."

That is a true story. Actually, I will love my children regardless of their political views, or anything else. My children, however, know that Republicans represent a true danger to the world, or they do in my opinion. The Neocons are the most dangerous of all.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:14 AM
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128. So, being bullied makes accusation fact?
5. A susceptibility to be bullied by other boys, who may tease them unmercifully and call them queer, fag and gay.

These bastards are soooooo sick. I wish, just for once, they would focus on themselves and leave the rest of the world alone.

I cannot fathom the self-righteous stupidity that must accompany an order to the faithful to "show your penis to your son"

I would have been irreparably damaged if my father did that to me.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 04:33 AM
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130. How can ANYONE take this sick idiocy seriously? Loud laughter is a
good response - it's always been useful for deflating pompous windbags.

The acceptance of this gross misinformation about homosexuality is a damning condemnation of the way children are educated in this society. Gay and bisexual people are everywhere, yet this distortion is still thriving.

I would like to see a major reframing campaign to teach people the truth. As a side-benefit, it would lessen the influence of Fristian hatemongers like Dobson.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 05:12 AM
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131. I played with dolls with the girl next door as a prelude to playing doctor
So, in my boringly straight-guy book, "A strong preference to spend time in the company of girls and participate in their games and other pastimes" sounds A-OK to me! :woohoo:

:evilgrin: :bounce:
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