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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:59 AM
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The Nation: Anonymous Lies From Anonymous Sources
Anonymous Lies From Anonymous Sources

by FRANCES CERRA WHITTELSEY


August 4, 2005

So now we know for sure. Those "highly placed Bush Administration sources" anonymously quoted over and over again in front-page and cover stories are, in fact, the likes of Karl Rove and Lewis Libby. The Valerie Plame affair has not only outed the chronic propaganda leakers in the Bush Administration; it has also exposed for the public to see the corrupt relationship between the White House and leading members of the national press corps.

Why corrupt? Because one of the first things journalists learn is that their job is to put sources on record, by name. They are warned that sources giving background and off-the-record information may well be floating trial balloons, or worse, pushing propaganda designed to build public support for war or any other part of an administration's agenda. What should we think of reporters who, instead, see their jobs as regularly conveying anonymously the whispers of the people closest to the President of the United States? And how should we judge the news outlets that reward those reporters regularly by placing their "exclusive" stories on their front pages?

The reporters I respect (and such has been my own practice as a reporter) usually grant anonymity only to sources who are taking a personal risk in conveying truth that discomfits people in power. Such is not the case with Judith Miller or Matt Cooper or any of the other reporters who regularly turn to a Rove or a Libby.

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No, the first lesson of the Valerie Plame affair should not be about how better to protect reporters like Judith Miller, although reporters clearly need better protection. Instead, let's first make it an occasion for soul-searching about how the mainstream media covers the President of the United States.

Link:

http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20050815&s=whittelsey


Now that is clear and beautifully written.


The "entire Noah's Ark of scam-artists" must be purged, both from the White House and from the media:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4258841&mesg_id=4258841

They're already doing the let's-make-war dance on Iran/Syria; fortunately, this time around, propagandist-in-chief Miller is in jail and maybe the NYTimes will be less willing to print Bush/Cheney lies. (Be sure to read this DU thread on Juan Cole's alert: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4268043)




Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."







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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:01 PM
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1. The one argument
that they ARE protecting their sources because they are committing acts of treason would be beautiful to see discussed in the media.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:23 PM
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2. I never thought journalism included gvt-sponsored propaganda,...
Edited on Fri Aug-05-05 12:25 PM by Just Me
,...let alone the protection of criminals who endangered our people's interests, both economic and security.

I still don't believe anyone who engages in such behavior is a journalist engaging in journalism. Whatever happened to the objective of reflecting as close to objective reality as possible? :shrug: When did "journalism" change so drastically?
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:35 PM
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4. Muckraking is an enterprise requiring a lot of courage.
Writing pablum and virtual powers that be sucking up propaganda is easy. It might be interesting to review the reporting and opinion pages from the early fifties when McCarthy was running rampant and trashing American civil rights.

Hmm...that might be an interesting pursuit. :)
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 01:14 PM
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8. check out "operation mockingbird"
--makes you wonder.....
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:33 PM
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3. We have so many anonymous sources
for info on the Plame case and the grand jury investigations that if we strip out all the anonymous stuff, we're left with precious little.

Mostly a bunch of conflicting information, any bit of which is supported by a sole (sourced) witness. Some of that is a bit frustrating, because the people talking don't actually say all they know, just all they want to say or want us to believe. What's supported by two or more witnesses tends to be so indefinite as to not have a single plausible interpretation.

I'm going to wait until the indictments are announced, hoping that Fitzgerald--who has access to much more information, presumably, can make heads or tails of it. Much less confusing that way.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 01:02 PM
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7. What we do have are Judge Tatel's opinion and the context ...
... through which we can compare the severity of his ruling.

I have stayed focused on that and was greatful when Lawrence O'Donnell brought front-and-center on July 7, 2005:

"All the judges who have seen the prosecutor’s secret evidence firmly believe he is pursuing a very serious crime, and they have done everything they can to help him get an indictment."

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In February, Circuit Judge David Tatel joined his colleagues’ order to Cooper and Miller despite his own, very lonely finding that indeed there is a federal privilege for reporters that can shield them from being compelled to testify to grand juries and give up sources. He based his finding on Rule 501 of the Federal Rules of Evidence, which authorizes federal courts to develop new privileges “in the light of reason and experience.” Tatel actually found that reason and experience “support recognition of a privilege for reporters’ confidential sources.” But Tatel still ordered Cooper and Miller to testify because he found that the privilege had to give way to “the gravity of the suspected crime.”

Judge Tatel’s opinion has eight blank pages in the middle of it where he discusses the secret information the prosecutor has supplied only to the judges to convince them that the testimony he is demanding is worth sending reporters to jail to get. The gravity of the suspected crime is presumably very well developed in those redacted pages. Later, Tatel refers to “aving carefully scrutinized voluminous classified filings.”

Some of us have theorized that the prosecutor may have given up the leak case in favor of a perjury case, but Tatel still refers to it simply as a case “which involves the alleged exposure of a covert agent.” Tatel wrote a 41-page opinion in which he seemed eager to make new law -- a federal reporters’ shield law -- but in the end, he couldn’t bring himself to do it in this particular case. In his final paragraph, he says he “might have” let Cooper and Miller off the hook “were the leak at issue in this case less harmful to national security.”

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From The One Very Good Reason Karl Rove Might Be Indicted

by Lawrence O'Donnell


July 7, 2005

More at the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/lawrence-odonnell/the-one-very-good-reason-_3769.html

Discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4041542


Judge Tatel was willing to 'write new law," but didn't because of the facts he had access.

Congressman Waxman brought everyone's attention to SF-312 and the implications of violating it, recently summarized here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4263356

Perhaps we will learn more of the truth when Mr Fitzgerald moves from discovery to action.

Thank you for your insightful comments.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:39 PM
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5. Larisa Alexandrovna introduces neocon hack Richard Cohen to the truth.
Richard Cohen: Patron Saint of Oxymorons

by Larisa Alexandrovna


August 5, 2005

Quick, call Dictionary911:

Richard Cohen, liberal-label approved NeoCon crony over at the Washington Post, bent backwards and did a Heimlich-maneuver on himself in order to cough up his latest little gem, aimed at me:

"A somewhat typical blast at Miller comes from someone named Larisa Alexandrovna writing in Arianna Huffington's blog…She then proceeds to fatally oxymoronize herself."

You know, this flaccid attempt at clever wordplay is one thing, but why the attitude dear Richard?

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Cohen is afoot too, trying to defend the indefensible in his latest attempt for WaPo - deliciously titled of all things, Judith Miller in Jail: Principle vs. Politics, in which Cohen sets out to prove something about principle and/or politics and manages to conflate both into "baseless" verbiage. I just love the word "baseless," Richard.

Let woman kicking man’s ass begin:

And, she certainly does...just check the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/larisa-alexandrovna/richard-cohen-patron-sai_5197.html



Bravo, Larisa!! Bravo!!


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 12:43 PM
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6. Do these people get training in rendering any/every word meaningless?
I'm not kidding!!! They have the skill of taking any word and turning it into meaningless muck.

Good for lalarawraw!!! :yourock:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 03:37 PM
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9. Larisa could use some help at Huffington Post ....
.... so consider posting a comment at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/larisa-alexandrovna/richard-cohen-patron-sai_5197.html

Thank you!


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:03 PM
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10. Looks like ERIC SCHMITT is the designated water boy at the old grey lady..
.... while Judith Miller is in jail .....

Advancing Cheney and Rummey's desire to attack Iran (and Syria) ...

"Some Bombs Used in Iraq Are Made in Iran, U.S. Says":

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/06/politics/06bomb.html?ei=5094&en=78849d462a599fdc&hp=&ex=1123300800&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

Irrespective of the British General on the ground in Iraq calling bullshit (aka "speculation"):

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050805/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_iran

Many of us in the Summer of 2002 knew what they were doing and knew it was all a premeditated scheme to advance neocon imperialism.

NOW, we must stop them.


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 11:16 PM
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11. FOR MORE ON THE BUSH LIES PUSHING FOR WAR WITH IRAN,
please read this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4252778
Thread title: Three extremely important threads on Iran nukes & the Bush agenda

In addition to the three threads cited in the opening post, many more key links are in the replies.

Don't let them lie our nation into another, even more catastrophic war!!!



And a recommendation for the current thread.
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