Another subject: How telling. Biden on the Daily Show says to Jon

[In Truth We Trust]

in response to Jon telling him "you can't just pick out any woman from the audience" Biden says "Why not? I'm a Senator"
What an insight to his perception of his position-douchebag remark from a DLC type major douchebag.

[Bluebear]

1. How are those creedit card company "donations" going, Senator?

What with the bankruptcy bill and all.

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. He was making a statement about power

and how our prez abuses it. He really nailed * and Bolton too. Why don't you tell about the whole interview instead of just one small part?

I am no Biden fan but it's not fair to misrepresent his comments like this.

[AuntPatsy]

3. For those of us that missed it, thank you for setting it straight.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. No problem

[Eloriel]

4. Probably because that one part was what he wanted to comment on

NOT give a blow-by-blow report for the entire segment.

Sheesh.

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. I stand by my original post

This was misrepresentation, at the least. We criticize the RW for doing this all the time. I just don't think we should condone it here.

[In Truth We Trust]

17. Tell me what exactly and I do mean exactly I wrote in my op that is

misrepresentation. That will require you to actually read it again. This time though perhaps you should read it slowly so as not to hurt yourself with a kneejerk reaction.

[proud2BlibKansan]

24. Well here it is:

"in response to Jon telling him "you can't just pick out any woman from the audience" Biden says "Why not? I'm a Senator"
What an insight to his perception of his position-douchebag remark from a DLC type major douchebag."

You left out the first part where Biden criticized Bush for abusing power. He made those comments BEFORE Jon made his comment about just picking a woman out of the audience. So, as a couple other posters here have reminded you, Biden was being sarcastic and was really making a statement about Bush abusing HIS power. :eyes:

[In Truth We Trust]

26. You are absolutely wrong-watch the rerun at 1am or tomorrow perhaps

since your cognitive ability seems to need some rest tonight.

And regardless of whatever he said my op was directed to a particular statement from Biden and the insight to his personality and/or perception of his position. It totally came across as crass and arrogant. Just because he's a Senator he feels he can "have" any women. Fuck him and the DLC/DINO train he rode in on.

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. As soon as Biden sat down,

the subject of Bush came up and Biden started talking about Bush abusing power. Then he said his wife was in the audience and he looked toward the audience. Jon said 'you can't just pick out any woman from the audience' and Biden said "yes I can, I'm a senator'.

He was JOKING and making a reference to Bush abusing power. Several other posters here have tried to tell you the same thing.

Maybe satire is over your head or something. sheesh

[LittleClarkie]

32. No, it's the "I don't like Biden" goggles

I have the same problem, only it's the "I don't like Kerry" goggles that work my last nerve most days.

[In Truth We Trust]

34. I call bullshit-now you're putting words in his mouth. He did NOT make

the quote about "Why not? I'm a Senator" as a reference to chimpy abusing power. I suggest YOU get the context AND meaning correct-please.

BTW, if you're still up-it's back on now. Perhaps myou'll be gracious enough to apologize when I'm proven correct as would I if I were wrong.

[Eloriel]

66. Sorry, your interpretation is -- well, whacky, frankly

The exchange was an aside, and NOT part of the larger discussion, and NOT part of any slam on Bush's abuse of power. It was completely separate from that, tho within that -- like I said, an aside.

[In Truth We Trust]

41. I just finished watching it again-did you? If so then you will note that I

was absolutely right and perhaps you might consider acknowledging that.

[proud2BlibKansan]

52. You just can't see

the connection between the conversation about Bush abusing power and Biden's sarcastic comment. And apparently there is no convincing you that your hatred of Biden is clouding your comprehension of his remark.

Nothing I can do about that and certainly no reason for me to apologize. As I said upthread, we don't like the RW to twist what our leaders say so I don't think we should do it ourselves.

[In Truth We Trust]

61. You are so wrong and don't even have the class to admit it. Read my op

and every other post of mine in this thread and TRY TO COMPREHEND THEM! Then tell me specifically how my opinion is wrong.

You have the sequence of the remarks out of order and context-not me.
As I said earlier, watch the rerun or go to The Daily Show site for a link. Ironically and appropriately enough you can also find it at Crooks and Liars.com

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. And you are rude

It's a matter of interpretation. You heard his remarks differently than I did. I still say he was making a sarcastic remark about power and our president. There are numerous other posters here who agreee with that assessment. You apparently think he was being arrogant. Of course, you have an obvious agenda but you are not even willing to spend a nano second considering that perhaps your personal bias against Biden is clouding your judgment. Instead, you cling to this silly argument and behave arrogantly (just as you are accusing Biden of doing - hmmm) and have the nerve to demand an apology.

Get over yourself.

[In Truth We Trust]

63. You call me rude when in fact I have politely dealt with fact and have

asked you questions to which you STILL have not responded to. READ my posts and tell me exactly where I am wrong specifically. I see you as being completely wrong with the sequence and context of the remarks from biden. You too seem to have some kind of agenda and perhaps your biases are clouding your ability to deal with the facts.


My op stated an OPINION. It was in context as others here have pointed out. You should exhibit enough class to respond to direct questions and get the facts straight. Read the entirety of this thread and focus on what I've posted keeping in mind my op and the fact that you took exception to it and FALSELY claimed it was out of context.

I do not have any more time at this moment to get the transcript but I promise you I will later and I will post it for your reading pleasure. It will confirm that you are wrong regarding the context and sequence.

I apologize if you consider me rude. However it was you who responded initially to my original post and accused me of something I am not guilty of and I still maintain you are wrong regardxing the facts. Afterall it is an opinion, but the issue of "context" is fact andf in that regard I am quite correct. Go ahead and keep defending biden if you like. I respect any persons ability to have and share an opinion. Perhaps you could consider doing the same.

Ps I find your mischaracterizations rude and offensive.

[RatRacer]

59. Gotta side with 'proud'

I watched it. It was sarcasm. Your anger is misplaced.

[proud2BlibKansan]

64. Thanks RatRacer

I like the way another poster here put it - he's wearing I hate Biden goggles. We were livid when the repukes did this to Kerry. They let their hatred twist and misconstrue so much about Kerry. It's sad to see that technique in use here.

[Eloriel]

68. Well answer me this

If Biden were talking about BUSH -- why the hell would he say, I'm a Senator. What's that got to do with Bush? Not a damn thing. Doesn't make any sense.

Biden mentioned that his wife was in the audience, cast his arm widely asif to point her out, while looking out at the audience, then Stewart said, "You can't just pick any woman," and Biden replied, "Why not? I'm a Senator."

Not a DAMN thing about Bush in there at all. Maybe before and after those comments, but that remark was pure Biden on Biden, period.

[proud2BlibKansan]

70. I believe it is merely a matter of interpretation

I took it as a sarcastic reference to what he had previously said about Bush abusing power. So do other posters here.

I also think the argument has gone beyond silly. I doubt anyone's mind has been changed about Biden from reading this thread.

[Eloriel]

72. I probably ought to go back and look -- but the posters agreeing

with you are primarily the ones who are taking your characterization as accurate. :shrug: LOL -- Isn't that called an Amen Chorus??

And I don't happen to care if anyone's mind has been changed about Biden -- that's not my interest at all. I don't care what other people think of Biden unless he gets as far as declaring his candidacy -- but that's surely a ways off. What I care about is you've not only MIScharacterized what went on yourself (which I also dislike intensely), you've actually maligned the exact reaction *I* also had as I was watching the show when it first aired last night and treated someone else rather rudely about the exact same reaction as I had.

[proud2BlibKansan]

73. Well we are just going to have to

agree to disagree on this one.

[In Truth We Trust]

74. Thank you Eloriel. I was beginning to think I was going mad. It's comfort

ing to know that there are some people who pay attention and share the same indignation when others falsely malign and mischaracterize. Isn't it ironic how I was accused of taking the comments out of context when the accuser is the one who was actually guilty of that. Frustrating.

I appreciate your posting and confirming the truth.

[In Truth We Trust]

18. Thanks Eloriel-couldn't have said it better myself. Peace

[In Truth We Trust]

6. I am not a stenograher. I quoted him verbatim regarding a crude and arroga

nt remark which I found insightful. A window into his self perception imo. Feel free to provide a transcript if you like.

[proud2BlibKansan]

15. You don't need to post the whole interview

but what you said wasn't fair. Biden was talking about *. He wasn't playing any power games, as you alleged.

[In Truth We Trust]

19. How the hell do you get THAT from my original post?!? See Post 17 please

[LittleClarkie]

22. Context is all that was being asked for, not a transcript

it's not an insightful comment into his self-perception if it's not presented in the context of what he was talking about.


Not fair, even if you don't like the guy, and many here do not.

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. Yes you are right

That ole context is kind of important here.

[In Truth We Trust]

28. I did provide context but if you like someone else confirmed it at post 23

[Soup Bean]

8. I felt he was likable and perhaps electable.

I very much like the fact that no one seems afraid of Bush anymore...:) Not even Senator Frist..

[Pirate Smile]

5. It was a joke.

[proud2BlibKansan]

16. Oh no

he was being serious, boasting about his own power :sarcasm:

Seriously, I am glad you at least got it.

Sheesh

[Eloriel]

67. Yeah, and it was a joke when Bush said

"Things would be a lot easier if this were a dictatorship, just as long as I'm dictator," too. Is there anyone here who doubts there was more than just a twinge of honest-to-God wistfulness for dictatorship in that remark?

You can tell a lot about people and what they think from the jokes they tell.

[Catherine Vincent]

7. What an asshole.

[Jersey Ginny]

9. It's what I expect from him

Corporate, power hungry, arrogant jerk. Sounds like the Repukes, doesn't he?

[BlueStateGirl]

10. He also said he would be honored ro run with or against McCain and

that he asked McCain to run with Kerry.

Why in the world would a Democrat think other Democrats would want a Repub on the ticket????

If he wants to run with McCain leave the Party.

[blm]

54. That jumped at me, too. Kerry said for months he didn't ask McCain, but

for some reason the media kept insisting he did. The Repubs were able to spin this as an attack on Dems, as if there was such a shortage of good Dems that Kerry HAD to ask a Republican to run. Of course, the media is always there to help them push their spin.

IMO, the only reason Kerry would have contemplated McCain was if he felt the nation was torn apart to the degree that civil war was imminent.

[tomg]

11. But what was all of that stuff

about running with McCain? As did another poster, I found Biden likeable and maybe even electable, but I sure as hell don't want to see him get the nomination, not after the bankruptcy bill. Jon's comments on Hillary, incidentally, were dead on.

[alfredo]

12. What comments on Hillary?

[tomg]

56. I thought Stewart made a

comment where he said something to the effect of "and what is going on with Hillary Clinton. When you are popular politicians do you guys hire advisers who suck everything out of you that got you there in the first place." Since no one else commented on it, I might have misheard it ( I was following the Hackett results and was a tad spacey). I'll listen again this morning on the re-run in our area. Sorry if I am wrong.

[alfredo]

65. I didn't see it so I was wondering what he said

[lonestarnot]

20. Stuff it Biden! No respect for Senators of your kind!

[JI7]

21. isn't the Daily Show a comedy show ?

[countingbluecars]

23. It was a joke!

You left out the part where Biden said his wife was in the audience. He looked around for her causing Jon to say, "You can't just pick out any woman from the audience." Then Biden said, "Why not? I'm a senator."

[In Truth We Trust]

27. thank you- seems damn arrogant and insightful to me-pos buydhim

[LittleClarkie]

31. What if you didn't already dislike Biden?

Would you have fluffed it off as a joke then?

[In Truth We Trust]

37. good question since we all carry our own predjudices. Since you are right

that I don't like Biden, or frankly ANY DINO'S I should search for an honest answer. Here it is-bottomline. Any person imo that uses his or her position of power as a means of control and manipulation and degrading attitudes towards other human beings is a major POS.

So to answer your question had a I met a stranger on the street who felt that as the president of his company he could have any women he wanted thwen I say that person is a douchebag!

[cynatnite]

29. Do we really expect anyone to be serious on the Daily Show? n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

33. it IS comedy, after all.....BUT never forget his role in "electing"

Pres. Dumbass

all one has to do is read "Strange Justice" to see how he caved to the RW AHoles in the first Bush Admin

I won't even bother to go into detail, but Biden is THE reason we have Clarence Thomas on the SCOTUS

nuff said, folks?

that, alone, is enough to discount ANYthing he ever has to say about anything

totally corrupt

[LSK]

35. Daily Show repeat is now

Lets see exactly what happened, shall we?

[In Truth We Trust]

38. you be the judge please. let me know what you think if you don't mind

[LSK]

40. considering they were both laughing when he said it

Id vote it was joking. As a Dean supporter, I can see how someone with a bug up his butt about Biden would want to use this against him. While Im no huge fan of Biden, I dont think this was any big deal.

[In Truth We Trust]

45. thanks for your opinion and response. I never claimed it wasn't a joke. My

contention was that it was what poker players call a "tell". In other words as I said originally I saw it as an insight to his persona. He is an arrogant DINO sellout who thinks his position of power is for taking personal advantage. Fuck him.

[dissent1977]

36. It sounds like a joke to me not arrogance, and I don't like Biden

I missed the show tonight so I did not see the exact comment, but from what I have read it sounds like he was saying that jokingly. The joke may have fell flat, but I doubt he meant it the way you are interpreting.

I don't like Biden, I think he is a DLC sellout, but I think he has said many worse things than this. We should focus on his policies (which are often horrible) and not a joke on the Daily Show.

[Eloriel]

69. Of course it was a joke, and of course it revealed arrogance

Just as Bush's "dictatorship" joke revealed an anti-democratic bent on his part, just as Bush's "joke" mocking Carla Faye Tucker's death revealed a sadistic nature. Etc.

Yeah, he meant it as a joke, no doubt. Also no doubt HE doesn't think of himself as arrogant. But he IS a member of what has been called "the most exclusive Club in the world," and it's damned obvious -- from his "joke" -- that that fact is not lost on him.

It was inappropriate even as a joke.

[Rex]

39. This is what our country has come to

start expecting it.

[AuntPatsy]

42. I just watched this now. IT was a joke? Nothing more, I am a bit

suprised at how this was represented, granted you might not like Biden, many don't, its okay, but that is really false representation and more worthy at other places, it's not something we should be doing...

By the way, this was a great show tonight and is.

[Eloriel]

71. The OP expressed PERFECTLY my own take on it at the time

I thought the very same thing: how fucking arrogant.

So are you saying that my reaction was itself a misrepresentation? Or that my own interpretation is also freeper-like?

Actually, aren't freepers usually quite happy to have their leaders misbehave on the arrogance side of the scale? One thing I think they DO do is chalk up any and all criticism as unreasonable bias and prejudice or partisanship, rather than admitting or acknowledging said criticism has any merit at all. It's a form of ad hominem attack IMO: you (the critic) don't have the capacity to be fair or objective in your criticism, so it must be just your hatred of Bush (or in this case Biden) that makes you say that. I always thought such arguments particularly intellectually dishonest -- like the whole Bush administration which can NEVER admit a mistake or error on anything -- not to mention intellectually lazy.

BTW, Biden's remarks were also sexist, something no one has bothered to notice or point out. I guess you missed that too. He was bascially treating women as objects and "things" that he is entitled to, being a Senator and all, and that he's so special (being a Senator and all), women wouldn't be able to help themselves OR say no to him, and possibly wouldn't even have the right to do so. Ptooey, ptooey.

[Jara sang]

43. They are all like that. That they have so much more insight

than us plebes. and that we have no idea of the "way things really are"

[Selatius]

44. That statement smacks of elitism.

[In Truth We Trust]

46. Exactly- thank you

[AuntPatsy]

47. The daily show is a comedy show, it was a joke that was so obvious?

[In Truth We Trust]

48. No one is debating the type of show Jon hosts. And no one is debating the

the intent of the "joke" comment. I originally posted that it was very telling of who Biden is. Thank you though for letting me know that The Daily Show is a comedy show. I appreciate your keen insight.

[AuntPatsy]

50. Im sorry if I appeard rude, I am not a huge Biden fan obviously

and was not exactly thrilled with the McCain comment, but again, I have no fear that Biden would even get close to the nomination for President in this party, he is definately one of the elite, but he has his uses which we cannot ignore considering the position we are in....

Again, I am sorry if I appeared rude.

[In Truth We Trust]

51. His "uses" are not in our interest. A DINO is an enemy as much as a repuke

is. A progreesive dem should run against him in the primaries next time he's up but I don't think it'll happen cuz he's running for prez and then once he serves his corporate masters in the 08 primaries and loses (I hope) he'll announce he won't be seeking re-election so that can can go off and spend all that sellout money he's acquired.

Apology accepted. You are a gracious person. Peace! and goodnight

[Swamp Rat]

49. It was a joke, though very crass and smacked of elitism.

The show was great, and I was happy that Biden did at least SOME Bush-bashing.

As for the DLC, here is a MAJOR problem: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/marshall/marshall.php

[The Minus World]

53. "douchebag" = Does not Compute

Perhaps your previously developed opinion of Mr. Biden has tainted your judgment on whether he is allowed to make a joke - albeit a mockingly chauvenistic one - on a comedy show.

However, your not-so-subtle displeasure is well-noted.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

55. fancy that, someone making a joke on the daily show

what is this world coming to..........

[Toucano]

57. Oh, c'mon! It's his attempt at comedy.

It's always awkward when untrained, unprofessionals try to entertain.

There's no "insight" here.

[DeaconBlues]

58. there are many things I don't like about Biden and what he said in the

interview. McCain as a running mate? Yeah, that sounds wonderful. :sarcasm:

But the comment about selecting a wife from the audience just seemed like an example of the goofy banter that occurs during Jon's interviews. I don't think it has any deep psychoanalytic meaning.

[K-W]

60. It was a joke, and a predictable joke at that. Come on DU. EOM

[BoardExplode]

75. This thread is flamebait bullshit

Close it already.