Who designed the Intelligent Designer?

[milkyway]

The basic concept of intelligent design is that the universe is so complex, it could not have happened randomly. Some being must have planned it. But if a being is powerful enough to create the entire universe, certainly it must be an incredibly complex organism. But according to intelligent design, a being this complex couldn't just happened by chance--it must have been designed by a higher level being. So who designed the designer? And who designed that designer, and on and on.

Have the proponents of intelligent design performed any scientific experiments to test the validity of their so-called theory? Intelligent design is not a science, it's religion with lipstick put on it. And religion, using the tools provided by science, could end up killing us all.

[SoCalDem]

1. Armani??

:)

[understandinglife]

18. Nope. A job like this requires at least two Italian designers ...

:hi:

[leftofthedial]

2. Jerry Falwell

[iconoclastic cat]

3. The Intelligent Creative Director.

[immoderate]

4. It's turtles all the way down.

--IMM

[kittenpants]

7. a ha ha

[Solly Mack]

5. Bill Gates?

[GeorgeBushytail]

6. Humans. Like they created all the other gods.

[Junkdrawer]

Early Man - to explain the inexplicable...

But the sense that life has a purpose beyond our indiviual lives - what I call spirituality - is too often tied to this supersitious nonsense...

[Canadian_moderate]

8. At the concept of intelligent design

is a step in the right direction compared to creationism according to the Bible.

Personally, I've always argued with creationists that God could be in control of the evolutionary process, though that would nullify the random concept.

I think that none of the concepts should be taught as fact, but as theory.

[moggie]

10. Why is it a step in the right direction?

Seems like a Trojan horse for extremism, to me. See the "wedge document", for example:

http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/Wedge_document

You could say that ID is worse than old-style creationism. Look at what the IDists are aiming for:

Discovery Institute's Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture seeks nothing less than the overthrow of materialism and its cultural legacies.

(from the wedge document). For them, this is not merely about whether we evolved; no, it's about rolling back centuries of post-enlightenment thought.

[Guaranteed]

17. PHILOSOPHY is not a fucking Trojan Horse for EXTREMISM.

THESE ASSHOLES are taking philosophy's concepts and using them for their own sick, fundie plans.

But don't trash philosophy. I'm getting sick of this.

[moggie]

23. It was an obvious strategy for them

Overt creationism wasn't getting the traction they wanted, and there's that whole inconvenient church/state thing, so borrowing an existing philosophical term and larding it with pseudo-science was quite a canny strategy. I'm sure philosophy will survive the encounter, though.

[WMliberal]

24. But neither ID nor creationism are theories.

They're hardly even hypotheses.

[mpendragon]

9. a causality paradox

In a finite set of linked events (one event causes another) there must be an initial event to begin the sequence.

a -> b -> c -> d

"d" is the result but for this to work "a" would have to have happened without any cause which shouldn't be possible. Nothing made it happen and yet it occurred.

This is a problem with universal creation with and without a god. The only solution that the religious community have offered is the old standard: God can do it because God can do anything.

Science may have a weak theory on this but the usual response to a scientific paradox is that there isn't enough information yet to make a theory. That was the approach used in the old: why is the night sky dark when the universe is full of stars question.

[moggie]

11. It was the Flying Spaghetti Monster, of course!

Do not anger Him with these speculations, or He may smite you with His Noodly Appendage!

[MamaBear]

19. I thought it was the Grand High Exalted Mystic Meatball.

:shrug:

[KittyWampus]

12. There Is No "Designer" And That DU'ers Can't Grasp This Concept Is Sad

you are projecting your own limited sense of self and personality onto that which is not limited.

[Deja Q]

13. Polaroid Corporation?

[Junkdrawer]

14. Remember this from the cover to Jethro Tull's Aqualung?...

1.) In the beginning Man created God; and in the image of Man created he him.

2. And Man gave unto God a multitude of names,that he might be Lord of all the earth when it was suited to Man

3. And on the seven millionth day Man rested and did lean heavily on his God and saw that it was good.

4. And Man formed Aqualung of the dust of the ground, and a host of others likened unto his kind.

5. And these lesser men were cast into the void; And some were burned, and some were put apart from their kind.

6. And Man became the God that he had created and with his miracles did rule over all the earth.

7. But as all these things came to pass, the Spirit that did cause man to create his God lived on within all men: even within Aqualung.

8. And man saw it not.

9. But for Christ's sake he'd better start looking

[Guaranteed]

15. The "designer" is supposed to be a non-contingent being. nt

[kliljedahl]

16. The Flying Spaghetti Monster

http://www.venganza.org


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[Cleita]

20. They don't have to apply scientific method because it's all

in the Bible and that book was written by Gawd hisself.

[undergroundpanther]

21. It was a ghastly mistake

Reality as we know it is flawed born of trauma and b life lives because it feeds upon what dies. Is there an intellegent designer? hell no. Is there intellegent dominators making it all worse hell yes.

Reality life and existance hurts.

[smartvoter]

22. The Architect. nt

[Connie_Corleone]

25. The man behind the curtain.

[Flying Dream Blues]

26. I bet Darth Cheney knows...they were tight before his "fall from grace."