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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:53 PM
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The guy the Brits gunned down was a Brazilian with no ties to the attacks.
"An earlier Scotland Yard statement read: "We believe we now know the identity of the man shot at Stockwell Underground station by police on Friday 22nd July 2005, although he is still subject to formal identification.

"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005."

"John O'Connor, former commander of the Met Police, told the BBC the consequences of the shooting were likely to be "quite horrendous".

He said he expected officers to face criminal charges, and other officers could even refuse to carry weapons."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4711021.stm

Poor guy, being from Brazil, probably felt cold in London, put on a coat, was attacked by armed men and ran for his life.

He lost.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:54 PM
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1. OMG!!!
:cry:
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:38 PM
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26. :(
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 05:43 PM by Must_B_Free
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:55 PM
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2. Probably the best and saddest example of the world of fear moron* has made
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:55 PM
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3. Will the press and Bushco learn now to stop scarring the simple minded
Terror has consequences!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:56 PM
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4. Charged, convicted and executed in a nanosecond for the heinous crime
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 04:58 PM by stellanoir
of inappropriate attire, and probably no more guilty than most of the long suffering innocents at Gitmo.

I'm so saddened by the lack of humanity that is rampant these days.

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two gun sid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:57 PM
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5. Jesus, that is horrible...
I can't believe how crazy this world has gotten. Shoot To Kill policies protect no one. Never has never will. I would have thought the Brits had that figured out by now.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:59 PM
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6. yeah, but he was undoubtedly "swarthy...."
And he WAS wearing a coat. What better evidence of criminal intent? :sarcasm:
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:01 PM
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9. also, he was running, so he had to be guilty of something.
but, it happened in london and the cops apologised, so it's all ok. :eyes:
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Benbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:16 PM
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19. He had a choice - he could have stopped; and hurdling the security
barriers is not normal behaviour.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:23 PM
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23. So, that's now a Capital Offense in London? Has martial law been declared?
What do folks get for jaywalking? Decapitation? :eyes:
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:59 PM
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7. can't wait for the apologists for extra-judicial executions to arrive
:eyes:
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Benbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:18 PM
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20. No point - this incident has induced widespread DU hysteria - even
though we all know how trigger-happy and racist American police are.

I am going to bed - I am really disappointed to discover how many people here are Republicans at heart, with just a thin DU veneer.

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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:34 PM
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25. Coming from you the irony in that statement...
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 05:35 PM by VelmaD
is too thick to cut with a butcher knife. You're the one insisting that it's perfectly acceptable for the police to shoot an unarmed man FIVE TIMES in the HEAD AFTER the have apprehended him and have him on the ground...and we're the ones who are republicans? Get a grip.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:41 PM
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27. Ditto that!
Especially when Ben was the one who assumed that because the guy was Brazilian, he must be a cocaine dealer. As if such an unsubstantiated assumption didn't smack of racism or was any kind of defense for the man's death. Sure sounded like a Repuke argument to me.
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iwillalwayswonderwhy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:04 PM
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31. Is that some of that British humor?
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:22 PM
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33. give it a fucking break..
that's your excuse for this now? That US law enforcement officers do it all the time?! A terrible thing has happened and you want to continue making excuses. What happens when it's revealed he didn't speak english?
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:59 PM
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8. There are no words for this one. eom
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:02 PM
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10. But flip it around......
If he had been vested up with explosives and had taken out another 20 or 50 British citizens, how would I like to be one of the cops who hadn't used deadly force to stop him? Not much at all.

It is just simply a tragedy, and the atmosfear we are living in is to blame. And we know where that came from.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:03 PM
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11. and if my aunt were a man she'd be my uncle
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:05 PM
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12. Yep. No win situation
It awful for the man killed, his family and the police officers involved.

I know the police officers are devestated over this. There is no death penalty in Britain and they take life very seriously and seem to value it much more than Murkins do.

Very very sad.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:08 PM
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13. Bush and Blair said we go about business as usual or the terrorists win.
Someone should have gotten the memo to the London cops.
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:09 PM
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14. Nice try
if that guy was vested with explosives btw he wasnt,i dont believe he would have ran away..rather just wait for a crowd of g-men to gather then blow himself up...The atmosphere of fear was brought to us by NEO-CONS hell bent on starting wars,for mulitple purposes..911 was no fluke,911 was well crafted,osama couldnt have been successful without the help of the Bush Crime Family...
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Benbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:15 PM
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18. Quite
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:26 PM
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34. Puke. Total puke.
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 06:28 PM by Tinoire
"the cops who shot the runaway Brazilian made the right decision - and they lived to go on helping keeping Londoners safe."

Vote Blair. Vote Bush. And keep the world safe for White people.

Total effing unmitigated puke.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:09 PM
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15. tragic
I can't believe i felt that the police officer had acted properly. It
must be my american blood. Well, the faith is well put in the british
legal system and justice system would ultimately produce net justice,
but how tragic the cost of terrorism police powers.

I figured that any police man who would shoot 5 shots in to a man pinned
on the ground must have a good reason, and this was jumping to emotional
conclusions. It seems we make the terrorism worse with hard prevention
policing, for all its apparent success. That summary executions of
foriegn tourists are now happening on london streets by the police is a
very good reason to avoid london... for tourists to pick a safer
destination.
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ochazuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:12 PM
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16. General Belgrano
For some reason, this incident reminds me of the sinking of the Argentine naval ship General Belgrano during the Falklands War.
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Benbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:14 PM
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17. A former commander can shoot his mouth off, I suppose
But Shami Chakrabarti, director of human rights group Liberty, said it was too early to judge what the effects would be.

She called for a "prompt, comprehensive and independent investigation".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711021.stm
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:20 PM
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21. The victim has been identified
From BBC News...

"A man shot dead by police hunting the bombers behind Thursday's London attacks was unconnected to the incidents, police have confirmed.

"The man, who died at Stockwell Tube on Friday, has been named by police as Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes, 27."

(snipping)

"Brazilian diplomats in London said they had been told by police the man who was shot dead by police on Friday was a Brazilian."

More at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4711021.stm
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:36 PM
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36. OOPS!!!
He wasn't WHITE ENOUGH!!! Had he been so we would surely have at least questioned him!
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:31 PM
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24. Aren't rumors swirling that he was homeless?
Hence the coat in July. And isn't there debate about whether he tripped or was tripped? One eyewitness reported that the poor guy looked absolutely terrified. Coworker (Tunisian guy who's been stopped by London police) suggested he didn't have "papers" and fled. How many rounds did they fire into him? At least 5? This world is spinning entirely out of control.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:17 PM
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32. that's the first thing I thought
his immigration papers weren't in order...
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:30 PM
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35. The homeless are Al-Qaeda n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:53 PM
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28. Puta que pariu!
BURRO! :mad:
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iwillalwayswonderwhy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:03 PM
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29. All I know is that it was a mistake
A man was gunned down because police suspected he might be a bomber.

But he wasn't.

So either the police were wrong, or it's okay to kill someone for what you think he might do.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:03 PM
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30. Yeah bit it was an "unprecedented event" or did you not hear?
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 06:29 PM by Tinoire
That's what they said in LA when Rodney King got the crap beaten out of him- an "unprecedented event". It's only looks like an unprecedented event to gloopy White people who are part of the protected class. Delbo King, Babar Ahmad and a ton of un-WHITEs living in the UK will tell us that's BS. Since 1998, both the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture (ECPT) & Amnesty International have been calling for the establishment of an independent agency to investigate complaints of police brutality in England and Wales. Sheesh, we're talking about a police force that left Stephen Lawrence to bleed to death on the streets of London.


"British Government inaction on police abuse of power has been criticised by international treaty bodies on several occasions; so far the Government has failed to act on the recommendations put forward," Amnesty International said.

"How many more reports will it take before the Government acts to bring police practice in line with international standards?" asked the organization.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGEUR450072000?op...


Unprecedented event MY SWEET BLACK ASS.

Thursday, March 4th, 1999
Police Brutality in the U.K.

The British government recently released a report that found that London's police force is rife with "pernicious and institutionalized racism." The report was a response to the 1993 killing of Stephen Lawrence, a Black man who was stabbed to death by a gang of racist white youths in the Eltham section of Southeast London. A botched police investigation of the murder and a failure to bring Lawrence's killers to justice has resulted in a massive public outcry throughout the U.K.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/07/035...

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United Kingdom: Police brutality must be addressed

The call for the creation of a fully fledged independent agency to investigate complaints against police brutality in England and Wales by the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture (ECPT) should be taken seriously by the UK Government, Amnesty International said.

Amnesty International has been concerned for many years about allegations of ill-treatment and excessive use of force by police officers in the UK and has in the past expressed concern over shortcomings in the investigation of such cases.

The ECPT report strongly criticizes the UK system of dealing with police ill-treatment, which has often resulted in police officers not being brought to justice even when victims have been awarded damages.

In 1998, the United Nations Committee Against Torture, to which Amnesty International submitted a briefing of its concerns, expressed similar criticism of the UK Government. The criticism included the apparent failure to provide for an effective investigative mechanism to deal with allegations of police abuse as well as a failure to report publicly in a timely manner.

(snup)

"British Government inaction on police abuse of power has been criticised by international treaty bodies on several occasions; so far the Government has failed to act on the recommendations put forward," Amnesty International said.

(snip)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGEUR450072000?op...

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