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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:53 AM
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Excuse me, but on the Roberts kid
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:27 AM by sandnsea
This is the exact kind of bullshit I've experienced with right wing mothers all my life. They're the first to say "it's the parents", bla bla, and discipline, and control the tv, and all the rest. But when you actually know these people, they don't DO anything they spout. Their parenting is just as hypocritical as everything else about them.

Elizabeth Edwards NEVER let her kids act up this way. She certainly never just stood there while Jack bounced around the stage, in front of the people who were talking. And most certainly not at an event like this. All things aside, it's the president for chrissake. Not a campaign stop.

There is so much nauseating about these pictures. Many good points made in the thread linked. But people making excuses for this kid's behavior and the mother's total lack of parenting skills is shocking. Geez, bribe the kid with a trip to Disneyworld if you have to, but anybody ought to be able to control their own child for ten minutes. No excuse for this, absolutely none.

And remember, I'm the one who takes up for kids in restaurants, even ones who puke all over the place.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

On Edit:

And remember, this is the guy who upheld sending a 12 year old to jail over a french fry. Exactly how these people are, YOU control your kids or they go to jail. They let theirs run wild.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:55 AM
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1. He's four
he had a little fun.

Let's leave the kids out of it.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:00 AM
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6. The commentary seems to be about parenting skills
I didn't read it as an attack on the child; at that age, the kid isn't the one responsible for his behavior.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:02 AM
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10. Exactly
That, and from a personal perspective, the hyporisy of people like this who run around the country telling everybody else how to act and how to parent. Sheesh. This is definitely a "Focus On Your Own Damn Family" moment.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:38 AM
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53. Exactly
The boy isn't the one who's at fault. He's just a youngster. But my parents wouldn't ever let my brother be like that and he was hyperactive then.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:01 AM
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8. It's about the parents
I don't blame the kid.

I've had kids, I've worked at a day care, I've worked at Head Start. I know a 4 year old is capable of cooperating at a very special event for his daddy. I know a 4 year old is capable of moving his dancing to behind his mommy. I know a 4 year old can be distracted. I know this picture shows a complete lack of parenting skills.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:01 AM
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9. Jesus H Christ
I agree - what, a four year old can't dance around?

What the fuck is wrong with people?

Is there a disease that has hit this board? Because I am getting increasingly sick of all the copious amounts of bullshit I have to ingest to engage in a little conversation.

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:03 AM
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12. Not at an event like this, no
4 year olds can behave properly...if they're taught to

It wasn't a playground.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:39 AM
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56. I'm surprised
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:39 AM by FreedomAngel82
they didn't let the kids go into another room and play with someone. :shrug: Or go outside. My parents have done that before when we were younger. Oh and if you don't like something that's being talked about in the thread don't be there but you shouldn't tell other people to shut up because you don't like it. :eyes: Who gives a damn.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:45 AM
Response to Reply #56
65. Umm well since I said
nothing of the sort, I'll just ignore this one
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Hudgie DeRobertis Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:54 AM
Response to Reply #12
83. Maybe
because he was in the presence of
Commander Cuckoo Bananas he couldn't
help himself. He had to jump around
like a chimp.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:06 AM
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15. Two things
First, if one believes a child should be able to act any way they want, at any time, then at least direct the child to an appropriate place.

But, I think that teaching about boundaries certainly begins by 4. If the child doesn't know that there's a boundary on his behavior at this event, he sure isn't going to know there's a boundary on his behavior when he goes to school the next year. Then the parent wonders why the teacher can't control the class. Remember, these are people who won't support mandatory minimums either.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:42 AM
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60. Same here
I have a second cousin who is five now and his mother started working on him when he was about three. Last time I saw him he was running around my aunt's house and jumping around and all that, but my second cousin's mother told him to stop running around and to behave and my cousin (second cousin's father) gave him a lil whoopin on his butt and everything. They're really good with parenting with him. And I agree as well with the school thing. If you start letting a child at this age think they can get away with anything they'll grow up like Georgie perhaps. Of course it all depends on the person themselves. This kid could grow up to be real mature and totally opposite from Georgie.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 04:54 AM
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91. And If the Roberts' Had "Given Him a Little Whoopin On His Butt"
Everyone would go nuts over that.

Basically, it makes it look like people want something to go nuts over, and it's not like there isn't plenty of stuff there without having to go after the hyperactivity of a four year old boy.

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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:06 AM
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16. thank you
people have gone off the deep end. A little boy danced a bit. It was adorable.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:08 AM
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19. It was inexcusable
Where did you get the idea that 4 year olds can behave like monkeys, and it's 'adorable'

This is a human being with the same IQ as you have.

Manners aren't that hard to learn...even for monkeys
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:20 AM
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30. Attack him
on his positions, not his children. We're not Limbaughs here.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:25 AM
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39. I have no interest in Roberts
He's not my problem

People who expect children to act like animals...get animals for children
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:10 AM
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21. I agree. Leave the kids out of it. Really.
This falls under the "over-analyzing" category. Typical 4-year-old.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:11 AM
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22. That is NOT typical
and if you think it is...perhaps you should query your ideas of 'typical'
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:16 AM
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24. Displaced anger because of the choice in nominees, perhaps.
Typical 4-year-old. Period.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:16 AM
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25. yes it is typical
for a four-year old to dance or otherwise move around.

The people who are pointing to this as signs of bad parenting are just looking for ANY excuse to hate Roberts. This is misguided.

Leave the kids out of it.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:19 AM
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27. At a family BBQ, yes
For ten minutes at an important occasion...no.

It's no wonder you lament the mess young people are in, when you think this is 'typical' and okay.

Kids at 4 can read, write and do basic algebra.

IF they have parenting that is.

But...expect a zoo...get a zoo.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:21 AM
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32. I don't know
how to say what I want to say without violating the rules here.

So I'll wish you a good night, instead.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:22 AM
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36. Night
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:44 AM
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:57 AM
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103. Then why didn't they leave the kids out of it?
You can't tell me they couldn't afford a babysitter. This was NOT an event at which children should have been present. If they wanted a family photo op, it could have been done AFTERWARD, where the 4 year old's normal exuberance would have been more appropriate.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:19 AM
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29. It's typical, but also controllable
It's typical for the playground, or the grocery store, or even after church. NOT at a Presidential event.

There's no reason in the world to not tell a 4 year old no. This woman obvious has no clue in the world how to do it. And 4 year olds DO need to be told NO.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:22 AM
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35. And perhaps
a mother doesn't want to yell at her child during a White House press conference with a thousand cameras trained on her.

it's downright freeperish to attack Roberts OR his wife based on this. It was an adorable four-year old behaving like a four-year old.

Focus your energy on the man, not his family. That's cruel.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:23 AM
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37. She shouldn't have to 'yell'
I don't give a rat's patoot about Roberts...he doesn't affect me one way or the other

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:49 AM
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75. He doesn't effect you?
Are you meaning the child or the father? If you're meaning the father I think he does effect you. Especially if you're a woman where it concerns us and Roe V Wade.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:51 AM
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79. Sigh...no he doesn't affect me
I'm a Canadian, as you'd know if you'd checked the profile.

We are discussing parenting here...not politics
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:55 AM
Response to Reply #79
85. Well
then you have strong opinions about such things. I'm glad Roberts doesn't affect you. I'd hate to see the extremes you might go to to attack him then. (shudder)
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:57 AM
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89. I wouldn't attack him at all
In Canada he wouldn't get to first base much less the Supreme court.

However that has nothing to do with badly behaved children, or bad parenting.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:25 AM
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40. He upheld sending a kid to jail over a french fry
A 12 year old kid. You damned right his parenting skills are in question. He can't control his own kids, but sends other peoples kids to jail? Typical.

Nobody is attacking the kids, quit pretending anybody is.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:29 AM
Response to Reply #40
44. Please read the facts
he didn't send any kid to jail.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:35 AM
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48. He upheld the decision
He's a judge, he obviously didn't arrest the kid. What a silly thing to say, he didn't send the kid to jail.

Maybe I've got it all wrong and you're actually upset because you like him.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:37 AM
Response to Reply #48
52. No, I don't like him
and that's a silly assertion.

I just think making a supid stink over his son DANCING (GASP!) at the White House makes us look like dumb-ass petty shit-sucking freepers.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:42 AM
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61. Do you have kids?
I don't think you answered that. Because if you don't, you just don't know what it's like to discover Suzy Republican lets her kid watch 90210, something you've kept your 8 year old away from because it's trash. but she's the "good mom" because she's a Sunday school teacher. One set of rules for them, another for everybody else. Typical.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:44 AM
Response to Reply #61
64. I dont' give out any personal information
of that sort over the internet.

But you're making a HUGE set of assumptions based on the fact that you don't like Roberts.

I don't like him either. Attack him on his policies and beliefs, not his family.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:47 AM
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72. Bizarre
His beliefs are exhibited in that picture. His kids don't have to behave, 12 year olds defiantly eating a french fry, do. Nobody is attacking those kids, it's a lame argument.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #72
82. Please
don't conflate the issues.

You asserted something factually wrong, and I corrected you. Roberts did not send a 12-year old to jail. My factual correction was misinterpreted by you as some sort of blanket defense of Roberts. That was wrong.

It's also silly to attack the parents (is that OK?) because a four-year old boy danced. He didn't go nuts, he didn't kick the President in the shins, he didn't piss on the floor. He danced. So what?

This is a lame attempt to smear the parents based on something stupid, and it's worthy of Limbaugh.

I've seen people here attack the parents (is that OK?) because of the friggin' CLOTHES the kid wore. And yet John Edwards' son wore a little retro seer-sucker suit at the convention.

It's hypocrisy. It's stupid. It's meaningless. It's cruel.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #52
73. Then why are you in the thread?
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:48 AM by FreedomAngel82
Why do you give a damn what people think? If you don't like it don't tell someone else to shut up. Just go to another thread and talk there. Good God almighty. If anybody here is making it a big deal it's people like you bitching about it.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:56 AM
Response to Reply #73
87. Why am I in this thread?
I'm sorry, i thought this was a public discussion board.

I didn't realize I'd stumbled into the private Let's Stop the Kids from Dancing thread.


I think I'll go watch Footloose to lighten up.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:03 AM
Response to Reply #40
93. Are You Meaning to Say
That if his children were all picture-perfect well-behaved, that would make his ruling on the french fry girl any more correct or any more constitutional?

If John Roberts had not ruled in that particular way, would you still criticize his parenting skills? If it were a Democrat's four-year-old doing the same thing, would you be condemning them also?

If you're upset over the ruling, fine. Be upset over the ruling. That has nothing to do with whether a four-year-old kid was too hyper for your tastes.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:46 AM
Response to Reply #35
67. LOL
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:46 AM by FreedomAngel82
You don't yell at the child. She could've easily took his hand and whispered in his ear to stop dancing and be good. Maybe even bribe him with something he likes (like ice cream or something) after the event is over. He is a cute kid and the girl was cute too but if that was me my butt would've been whooped. Possibly in public as well. My cousin and his wife do that to their son (he's five) when he acts up all the time.
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:26 AM
Response to Reply #1
97. No way -- this son of a bitch
whats to invade MY privacy -- he and his brats get NO brakes from me.


The kid should have been put in hand cuffs immediately for acting "disrespectful" and acting like a junior GOPig frat brat to be.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:32 AM
Response to Reply #97
98. The Republicans Called
They want their hypocrisy and bitter hatefulness back.

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:57 AM
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2. Agreed
There was no excuse for it.

Neither of my kids, at any age, would have been allowed to behave like that.

It wasn't 'cute' it wasn't 'boyish'...it was just bad parenting.

As was the picture of the girl...clinging.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:18 AM
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26. The boy was too spirited & the girl was "clinging".
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:22 AM by 8_year_nightmare
I don't agree that children under age 5 should be expected to have an adult's judgement or an adult's poise.

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #26
31. No, they should act their age
It's just that somehow you've confused that with monkey years
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #31
38. He was acting his age: 4 years old.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:26 AM
Response to Reply #38
41. No, he was not
Do you consider 4 year olds stupid for some reason??
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #41
46. Of course not. I consider them to be inexperienced human beings.
And I don't consider them "monkeys", as you suggested in several of your comments, except when they're acting as adorable as the Roberts kid. I happen to like spirit.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #46
49. There is a time and place
for 'spirit'...this wasn't it.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #49
71. You sound quite remarkable.
Did you have your children on a behavorial schedule? And what happened if they deviated from it & had a moment of spontaneity?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:49 AM
Response to Reply #71
76. You take their arm and say no
It is quite remarkable, if you've done it once or twice, they respond!!
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:49 AM
Response to Reply #71
77. No, I am normal
and I expected my children to be normal too.

Normal for humans, not monkeys.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:51 AM
Response to Reply #46
80. So do you think
my little second cousin should be able to run around the house and jump off of chairs and play around with the cat chasing him around the house as well or should his mother tell him to stop running around? And do you think it would be nice at a very important public event before the President (even if he is there illegally) for your child to be dancing around and disrupting the event?
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:47 AM
Response to Reply #38
99. acting like the boy acted, that's not acting his age. he was acting
like an ass and they should have schooled him on decorum before the conference or jerked his ass out of there the moment he acted that way. my mom took four kids born one after the other out in public all the time and none of us acted that way. he's a dick and he's what they have raised because they probably say 'he's acting his age' all the time when he's being a dick.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #2
28. Take your kids to the White House
and put 'em in front of the Press Corps and let us judge your parenting.

The attacks on the kids (I know, you're attacking the parents - I call bullshit) is ridiculous. Confront the man on his legal decisions, not his family.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:21 AM
Response to Reply #28
33. I'm attacking the parents
Very clearly because I've dealt with these hypocritical mothers and fathers ALL MY LIFE. There is absolutely NO reason to not be able to control a 4 year old, unless he's hyperactive.

Do you have kids?
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:29 AM
Response to Reply #33
45. I have two sons. Boys are active, especially when young.
Anyone who has had sons can testify to that.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:39 AM
Response to Reply #45
55. I raised 3
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:39 AM by sandnsea
And one was hyperactive. Nope, this wouldn't have happened, not in a cazillion years. We would have had a nice talk about what was going to happen, some acceptable behavior, some rewards the child couldn't resist. And an exit if things went south.

Again, for me, it's really the hypocrisy of these people who want to tell everybody else that their kids need discipline and all the rest, but never do it when you see them with their kids. Look at the Bush twins, same thing. And I never trash them, ever, but it's still true.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:41 AM
Response to Reply #45
59. Oh enough with the sexism
I've had both a boy and a girl...and both were very active.

Both learned to behave with some civility at that age too.

Stop excusing bad behavior just because he's 'a boy'

Being male doesn't come with some kind of '007' license you know.

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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:45 AM
Response to Reply #59
66. Sexism?
LOL.. you've invested yourself too heavily in this nonsensical attack.

If you don't think little boys are different from little girls, you weren't paying attention.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:47 AM
Response to Reply #66
70. Yes, sexism
And no, little boys aren't different than little girls.

I've raised both.

Jeepers...then you wonder why men turn out the way they do!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:46 AM
Response to Reply #59
68. That is true too
The boy thing is really silly. My youngest son was very shy, still is. You wouldn't have seen him in a picture because he would have been hiding behind us. My daughter, she was the social one and probably would have wanted to invite Georgie to a tea party.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:53 AM
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81. My dad and his brother wasn't
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:53 AM by FreedomAngel82
My dad has always been a very shy person and calm person even when he was little according to stories from my grandma. One time he sat on top of the tv when he was little but his mother told him to get down of course. My uncle was also very shy when he was young but then again he's also deaf. My brother was a little bit of both. But I can tell you he wouldn't be dancing around at a public presidential event with cameras around. If he did do that he would've gotten his butt whooped.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:06 AM
Response to Reply #81
94. I'm Sure That If a Four-Year-Old Got His "Butt Whooped" on Live TV
that everyone would be just fine with that, right?

You're being ridiculous.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:21 AM
Response to Reply #28
34. My kids
were at major political events before they were 5

They NEVER acted like that.
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #34
42. Well
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:27 AM by Fiona
lah-de-fucking-la

Were they at the White House? Were you and your spouse under the glare of a thousand cameras?

The kid didn't bust up the joint - he moved around!

I repeat my claim that it's freeperish to attack the parents OR the kids based on this.

Argue like a grown-up - attack his legal decisions, not his family.

Even a little kid knows what's fair and what's not. You're being unfair. Maybe your kids could stand still for a minute, but I worry about the bigger lessons they learned from you.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:35 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. Same thing..yes indeedy
And if you expect kids to behave badly just because they're 4, they will do so.

Not my fault you've been conned by little kids.

I'm not American...and I have no interest whatever in Roberts.

But 4 year olds are much smarter than you give them credit for.

For example...apparently they can fool you
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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:38 AM
Response to Reply #47
54. How badly did he behave?
Did he have a tantrum? Did he destroy things? Did he whip his weenie out and waggle it at the President? Did he steal the silverware?

No... he danced. Pig-fucker.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:44 AM
Response to Reply #54
62. He couldn't behave
for ten minutes...and she couldn't stop him. He tried to bite her.

I guess with you, it takes a full blown riot before it dawns on you what is, and is not, acceptable behavior.

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Fiona Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:46 AM
Response to Reply #62
69. silly
silly silly silly silly silly attack.

Grow up and fight like an adult. Attack Roberts for his positions, not his family. This is a ridiculous, freeperish attack.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:48 AM
Response to Reply #69
74. FOCUS
I have no interest whatever in Roberts. I am not an American
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #69
90. Then go away Fiona
You don't have to be here! If you think it's "freeperish" then go away! You're the one who's making this a big deal. :eyes: And apparently if the boy bit her she can't control him. I do have another cousin who is about five now and he's VERY hyper but my aunt still makes him behave. Whenever we're at my grandma's house and they come over she has him go outside and if he missbehaves she wacks him on the butt. Last time we saw them my cousin bit my brother on his stomach. My aunt is also deaf (she married my dad's deaf brother) and she scooled the boy and whipped him. So if my deaf aunt can control her five year old son surely this woman can.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:13 AM
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95. That's Not How It Works Here
If you say something ridiculous and/or idiotic, other people are allowed to tell you that what you said was ridiculous and/or idiotic. This is a discussion forum and that's what it's for -- discussion.

Now if you think that "whipping" four- and five-year-olds for dancing around is correct and proper, then I guess you're entitled to be wrong. But nobody has to "go away" just because you're using your head to give yourself a colonoscopy.

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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:23 AM
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96. Thank you for saying this!
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 05:31 AM by Bunny
I can't believe Fiona is being told to "go away" and upthread she's told to "fuck off". Pretty serious rules violation, that one is. Just because she disagrees.

And these people, who are behaving exactly like spoiled children themselves, are critical of someone else's parenting skills? That's fucking precious...
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:50 AM
Response to Reply #47
100. I've taught kids aged 4-13. they act like they are expected to act.
I have a good idea he does this a lot. His parents revealed their shortcomings when he did that, rather like that idiot Guiliani kid.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 04:57 AM
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92. I Agree
I have four kids, ranging in age from 1 to 11 years old. Two boys, two girls. They are pretty well-behaved kids, but I sure wouldn't wager anything that said that they wouldn't dance around in front of a hundred cameras at four years old.

There are reasons to get up-in-arms about Roberts if that's what you wanna do, but this ain't really one of them.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:58 AM
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3. It looked like he tried to bite his mother's arm
when she tried to control him. That's out of line for even a four year old.
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:59 AM
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4. Agreed. Very bad parenting.
:spank:
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:59 AM
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5. Looks like a little spoiled brat to me.
(I'm talking about Chimpy)
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:00 AM
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7. My response on the Roberts's kid flap:
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:02 AM by the_spectator
1) He is a little kid, cut him some slack -
2) There's nothing wrong with COLOR people - we don't all have to wear black all the time! :)
3) We can't competently read violence and/or abuse into the split-second stances of the daughter and/or wife. :silly:

HOWEVER, the real scandal here is:
1) These beautiful blond-haired whiter-that-white children were ADOPTED -- hard enough to pull off in the U.S.A., plus,
2) These children were allegedly adopted out of Latin America!! (harder still)

At this point, only personal scandal can take Roberts down. I'm betting on the Boys (and Girls) from Brazil, one way or another, if anything!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:03 AM
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11. It's the parents, not the kid n/t
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:05 AM
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14. I felt the biting was out of line
but you're dealing with the upper crust here. Maybe they forgot to show their nanny in the background. Who knows? But the biting was out of line.
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:08 AM
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20. Didn't know about the biting here!
(I'm "cable-challenged", also, dial-up.)
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:08 AM
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18. They were adopted?
Is Brazil the nation that shoots abandoned children on the steps of a cathedral. Children born because...is abortion outlawed? Well, no wonder she's so against it. It worked wonderfully in her favor.
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:13 AM
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23. Oh yeah,
they were SO adopted, as I first saw on a thread here on DU last night, and has been repeated often. Makes sense, as allegedly when the couple got married, they were 42 and 40 years old, and those kids are what, 5 or 6 now, and he's fifty?

Those kids are adopted.
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conflictgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:04 AM
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13. I HAVE a four year old boy (as well as two other boys)
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:06 AM by conflictgirl
And I can tell you that beyond the age of two or so, I do expect my kids to be better behaved than that. And we're just relative nobodies. I have an internet friend whose husband is some type of high-ranking official (I'm thinking ambassador but I'm pretty sure that's wrong) and from what she tells me, kids who grow up in that environment are taught from a very early age how to behave because it's expected of them. It's like a code of the culture for people in those positions.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:07 AM
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17. I think it's absolutely hilarious..
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:10 AM by girl gone mad
that this lady was trying to create a "Camelot" moment with her Jackie-O inspired pink suit and the little tykes dressed up like John-John and Caroline, and then the little boy goes and ruins everything by biting her arm and acting obnoxious.

Just deserts.

As far as parenting skill goes, even the best-raised kids are capable of acting out now and then. What disturbed me were the expressions on her face. She clearly had no idea how to respond to the situation. I suspect someone else, perhaps a nanny, usually cares for and disciplines the boy.

Edit: oops.. got a little crazy with the letter 'y' there.
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:28 AM
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43. man, imagine the fucked up life the kid's gonna have
after he is scapegoated for blowing dad's big chance!
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:36 AM
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50. No one is blaming the kid
They are questioning the parent's IQ though
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:39 AM
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57. LOL!
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:56 AM
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102. The brats are probably raised by a nanny
And they are brats -- no excuses for such horrible behavior.

Bad bad parents -- lock up the parents.

Use whatever it takes to take this low life pond scum DOWN.

If it take the pathological behavior of a 4 year old monkey -- so be it.

These are bad people and they are raising bad kids -- and I don't give a damned if the brats are adopted.

A four year old KNOWS better than to act like this -- UNLESS he has sever behavioral problems -- or his behavior is a symptom of a very poor marriage and he is using AGM (Attention Getting Mechanisms) -- because he parents are rotten to the core.

Gee it is real fun going into the GOP mode -- but seriously the kid's behavior is a warning signal.

The AGM (attention getting mechanism) VERY often does signal that there is a relationship problem in the marriage -- the kids act out in public. A four year old should have enough internal control at four years old to be able to behavior in a socially acceptable manner. Trying to bite his mother is a real warning signal.

THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG HERE --- WARNING WARNING WARNING.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:37 AM
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51. I agree
If that was me acting up like that my dad wouldn't even let me begin to.
Oh if you're wondering we're a Christian family too. My brother nor I wouldn't have even done that in the first place. Why didn't the mother calmly take the child and pull him back with the little girl? I could imagine it now if this was a democratic president and he was nominating a person for the SCOTUS and his/her child was acting up. It'd be all over the rightwing talk shows that they're bad parents etc. :eyes:
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:40 AM
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58. Why were the kids there anyway? There was no reason
for them to be there. Must be the kind of clueless parents who think the kids should go everywhere, trained or not.
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The Great Deceiver Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:51 AM
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78. Bad parents? Bad kids?
Who gives a fuck? Are you really this hung up about a four-year-old kid dancing around durning the nomination his father, of a judge who will most likely be confirmed whilst Rove and his band of asshole criminal probaganidists are laughing thier asses off at how hung up liberls are about a four-year-old kid dancing on national TV?

This is such a non-issue. And btw, it's hardly liberal to be against children dancing.
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ScamUSA.Com Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:54 AM
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84. this thread didn't need to exist
nor the other one
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:56 AM
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86. Most of them don't
but it is a chat site after all. So people chat.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:57 AM
Response to Reply #84
88. Lots of threads don't need to exist
I ignore the ones I don't like.

There's also obviously alot of people who have never had to deal with mother's like that, blathering on about Halloween is evil, and banning Harry Pottery, and abstinence only education, and all the other crazy shit parents across the country have to deal with.

And time after time, you look at what they actually do with their own kids, and find they haven't got a clue how to be a parent. That's why the thread is here. If you don't relate, don't respond.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 05:54 AM
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101. Its amazing isn't it Sandnsea? I remember a family grilling me about
not teaching dinosaurs in first grade 'because we don't believe in them' and then they end up sleeping around, having unwed kids and still imposing their religious bullshit on everyone else. That boy, he's a sorry little twit and will have grief in his life if that handkerchief of a mom doesn't get him under control. guessing the parent's age and their purchase of these two kids, I doubt they will. It stops being funny after two and becomes downright loathesome at 15.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:24 AM
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104. Twit, Monkey, Brat, Dick
Will you people listen to yourselves? All of these words have been used in this thread to describe a little four-year-old boy whose biggest sin was that he was born to a political figure that's unpopular. That's bullshit on a couple levels.

First off, children should be off-limits when it comes to partisan attacks. I was outraged at Chelsea being called a "dog" and I similarly cannot stomach a 4-year-old being called a "dick". This kid didn't do anything to you -- lay off him.

Secondly, junior cannot help it if his dad is a conservative handjob and it is unfair to hold him responsible for the sins of the father.

Finally, and I belive most importantly, is this really the best we've got? That Bush's nominee for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court has a hyper four-year-old who danced on stage? If you can find something better to hold against Roberts, I suggest you stop wasting time with this nonsense and start beating on THAT drum, because time is at a premium. And if calling his four-year-old son names is truly the worst thing you can say about John Roberts, then I suggest you call your senators and demand that he be confirmed, because if he has no bigger flaws than a hyperactive four-year-old then we're looking at the most qualified Supreme Court Justice EVER.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:34 AM
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105. Wasn't John F Kennedy Jr younger then this boy
when his father was assassinated? He certainly didn't pull crap like this at his father's funeral. As a matter of fact he was incredibly well behaved through out the long ceremonies and no one will ever forget him stepping up and saluting his father. That is what a well behaved child looks like.

I have a son and I have a degree in Early Childhood Ed. What I saw standing to the left of the podium was an incredibly dysfunctional family. Mom looked like a stepford wife or worse, the little girl was more then just shy, she was terrified - not a normal reaction IMHO, while her little brother had no idea about the concept of self control. Has a mother, there is no way I could have just stood there while my kid acted like that on national television. At the least, I would have picked him up and held onto him until the conference was done. Then once we were off camera he would have gotten a severe talk regarding public behavior.



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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:45 AM
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106. Locking--
Enough already!
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