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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:35 PM
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The Bush/Cheney/Rove power machine has taken over the Far Right
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 10:11 PM by jsamuel
There was a post stating that the Far Right has taken over America, however I disagree.

Do you actually think Bush is pro-life? Do you actually think Bush is a born again christian? Do you really think Bush and Cheney give a damn what happens to christianity?

They have taken over the Far Right to use it as a way to control people and manipulate them into following anything. They saw the Far Right as a group that defies reason in favor of beliefs, no matter the evidence. This was a perfect opportunity for them to use these people to take power.

They care about power. They care about money. They are using the Far Right as their means to gain more. That is what the Iraq war was all about. It had nothing to do with christianity, it had to do with money. Taking money from tax payers and Iraq and giving it to companies like Halib. The Far Right has no power, only those who use it for their own selfish gains. The Far Right was willing to go along with the ride. They were willing to sell out their very own beliefs and use denial to block out the truth in order to have a voice that was not getting through otherwise.

This is why the "christians" do not look christian like.

When Rove/Bush/Cheney are taken down, the other corrupt people in the Government will go with them. Maybe then the Far Right will give up on their denial and go back to their christian ways.

On Edit: Roberts is an example. Do they really care about his political views? No, they care that he was there to help them in the recount and in getting them more power over those at GITMO. Just more evidence. The conservative part of him just gives them the ability to satisfy those they control.
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:39 PM
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1. I think you should win something...
:applause:
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:57 PM
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8. Thank You
:blush: :patriot:
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 03:39 AM
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15. You are correct sir, would the freeple love Laura and Babs so much if they
knew they were pro-choice?

Big kick cause you are so smart.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:42 PM
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2. Agree 1000% The fascists don't give a flying eff about abortion. Their
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 09:43 PM by blm
only concern is getting their pro-corporatist agenda through and using the folled fundies to do it.

The whole LEFT BEHIND crap was an exercise in mind control to attain political power. Tim LaHaye and RevMoon were longtime allies and self claimed experts in mind control back in the 70s.

Any coincidence that they are aligned with the Council on National Policy, a political group AND in their fundamentalist doctrine targeting the religious right?

They are all fascists. The corporate fascists are using the Christo-fascists.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:45 PM
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3. Do they really care about his political views?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:48 PM
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4. Good point, as far as "Business"/Corporations are concerned
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 09:48 PM by jsamuel
also big government...


However, I would still classify this as him "helping them" get more power and money. You can call it politics if you want to, but its the same thing.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:50 PM
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5. Of course you're right, but it didn't start with Bush/Cheney
Reagan started taking over the far right to make it work for him.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:53 PM
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6. Unfortunately, I cannot speak to that era, because I am too young
to recall that period in good detail.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:54 PM
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7. I guess I see it as the corporatocracy
that has become their politics.

So to me the question is - are the Democrats going to just go along with it - or are they going to challenge them on their ideology through the Roberts nomination.

I think it should be seen as an opportunity for truth-telling if nothing else.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:01 PM
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9. That IS a good question
Power is addictive, even to those who currently have little. The Democrats will have a very big test soon. Will they take over where Bush left off and try the same thing, or will they denounce the corporations' influence in American politics. The ones that do denounce will have a tough fight ahead, but if they are supported by people like the DU, then they have a fighting chance.
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:48 PM
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10. Behind Bush/Cheney/Rove....darker shadows: Ledeen/Weyrich/Norquist
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 11:15 PM by tiptoe
MUST READ...to keep focus:

Hijacked Republicans (Submitted Oct 20, 2004 -- PRE-Election -- by "citizenvoice")

<excerpts...not in context...emphases mine>

This administration is perhaps the most radical administration in a century. The word radical can be used two ways, to mean extreme, or to mean back to the roots. I am sure that many of the thinkers in the radical wings of the Republican Party think they are going back to the roots, but the reality is that several wings of the Party are extreme, way more extreme than their supporters who are ordinary Americans generally think.

There are three extreme factions...One is the extreme fiscal conservatives. Conservatives generally support lower taxes, fiscal responsibility, and limits to spending, but they also support good government where needed, with accountability for results. The second extreme faction is the neoconservative wing of the administration, the one currently responsible for implementing the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war. They believe in a role for total war in the establishment of what amounts to a new American empire; they are overt about this and use these words themselves. They held these beliefs way before 9/11; in fact they have writings stating the need for something like 9/11 to happen so that they could implement their vision. (The third extreme faction is the far right wing of the party on social agendas and issues of civil liberties, which has its highest representation in John Ashcroft as Attorney General. Conservatives generally have a high interest in increasing morality in their culture, but they also traditionally believe that government does not function best when it is taking away civil liberties. )
...

Here are current administration players in their own words. Grover Norquist is the mastermind of the radical fiscal policies, behind which there is definitely a hidden agenda. He is a Washington power broker who oversees coordination of administration players through a weekly breakfast, attended by all branches of government. Michael Ledeen is a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, a major think tank, and influential with Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Paul Weyrich is founder of the Heritage Foundation, which has itself been at times called a shadow government, due to its influence with leaders.

"I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it to the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."
Grover Norquist, on NPR 2001

Creative destruction is our middle name, both within our society and abroad. We tear down the old order every day, from business to science, literature, art, architecture, and cinema, to politics and the law. Our enemies have always hated this whirlwind of energy and creativity which menaces their traditions (whatever they may be) and shames them for their inability to keep pace. We must destroy them to advance our historic mission.
Michael Ledeen

We are different from previous generations of conservatives. We are no longer working to preserve the status quo. We are radicals, working to overturn the present power structure of this country.
Paul Weyrich

The strategy for achieving the goals of these wings of the current Republicans in charge is also radical. They want to effectively abolish the two party system. They are in fact well on the way to accomplishing that. Here is Grover Norquist again, one of the most powerful of the power brokers in a powerful party:


One of the steps for getting there is a permanent Republican government, in the sense of fifty-five Republican senators and a thirty-vote margin in the House and a Republican President for twenty years in a row. Thats when you can do to the left what the left did to us in the thirties and the forties.
Grover Norquist, on how toaccomplish the one-party rule


This might not sound so alarming, unless you realize that they carry no great allegiance to the structures of democracy, nor to the Constitution. Or unless you realize that they carry great influence and can see the traces of that influence in the actual deeds of the administration.

...
This shadow government exists, behind the scenes. Its ends and objectives have almost nothing to do with the interests of ordinary Americans, both Republicans and Democrats. Its current purpose is to get reelected, hopefully retaining control of both Houses of Congress and the ability to appoint judges for four more years, such that the high court could feel their stamp for several more decades. One of the most central beliefs of the framers of our Constitution was a system of checks and balances. They believed that democracy was always in danger of being hijacked by an overconcentration of power in any one branch of government. They also knew that in a democracy, that could happen at any time. They knew that the greatest threats to democracy would come from within, not from abroad. Thus, their passionate championing of a free press, because the informed citizenry would be able to keep their democracy. They were right. When we as a people have been informed, we have always chosen to keep our democracy.

...

Both of these radical factions work against the health of our nation and its principles. They are not in the mainstream of the Republican tradition. They require keeping the American people in the dark about their true beliefs, because otherwise they couldnt stay in power. They require keeping people afraid:
"We can lead by the force of high moral example ... fear is much more reliable, and lasts longer.
Michael Ledeen

"If you tell the same story five times, its true." <the methodology of talking points & media control & "reality-defining">
Larry Speakes, Reagan spokesman.

"The task of public relations must be to curtail Americans' democratic expectations."
Philip Lesly, a leading conservative Public Relations figure, 1974


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"This snippet is from the edited transcript of an interview of Vincent Cannistaro by Ian Masters that aired on KPFK (Los Angeles) back in April of this year. I just ran across this at AlterNet; hope it hasn't already been posted."

Well, Ambassador Wilson publicly refuted the claims particularly the 16 words in the Presidents State of the Union address that the Iraqis were trying to buy significant quantities of uranium from Niger. That document, I understand, was fabricated ... it originally came out of Italian intelligence, I think SISME, or SISDEIm not sure which one.

It was SISME, yeah. ...

During the two-thousands when were talking about acquiring information on Iraq. It isnt that anyone had a good source on Iraqthere werent any good sources. The Italian intelligence service, the military intelligence service, was acquiring information that was really being hand-fed to them by very dubious sources. The Niger documents, for example, which apparently were produced in the United States, yet were funneled through the Italians.

Do we know who produced those documents? Because theres some suspicion ...

I think I do, but Id rather not speak about it right now, because I dont think its a proven case ...

If I said Michael Ledeen ?

Youd be very close . . .
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 12:43 AM
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12. wow
i don't know much about all that
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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 03:34 AM
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14. btw, nice capture of Ohio screen shots of Election 2004 manipulation
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 03:49 AM by tiptoe
(Ya know enough to glean the 'hidden agendas' behind President Demagogue's words ;) )

"...screen shots from that night - Shows Manipulation" (from 2004 Election Results and Discussion )
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:29 PM
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11. kickidy, kick kick
:kick:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:58 AM
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13. I'll add a kick....because freepers need to get real.
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