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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:21 PM
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Zogby and the Shrub "impeachment poll " numbers!!!
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 09:16 PM by fooj
Have you heard about Zogby's poll re: Shrub and impeachment? I believe the percentage is at 52% in favor of impeachment proceedings. Keep in mind that these numbers are indicative of a poll taken when much of the population is still unaware of the DSM and other BS that many of us know about. It's important to note that the poll #'s for approval to go ahead on impeachment hearings for Clinton were at a whopping 39%! Zogby is frustrated because the media is hesitant to carry this story. IMO, within a matter of weeks, all hell is going to break loose for these ratbastards. Just wait until the prison pics and videos are released. Imagine how those #'s will rise!

Hang in, DU'ers! It's a trying time. I won't dispute that. Ours is a noble and just cause and we've got to remain focused and vigilant. These imposters are imploding as we speak. I feel it. We will take back our country. You can take that one to the bank. I believe that with my entire being. NGU. Never.

http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=11562

Peace. :patriot:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:23 PM
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1. Fooj, you are a welcome voice of optimism!
Thanks kindly! :hi:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:25 PM
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4. Sister- It's truly how I am feeling!
Peace. :patriot:
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #4
19. Me too!
:bounce: :toast: :bounce:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:23 PM
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2. Is this an updated poll?
If so those numbers are huge! No wonder Bush wanted to do the SCOTUS nomination now!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:24 PM
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3. Huge is right! We have to keep plugging along!
Peace.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:46 PM
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11. Poll a week or two ago had it at 42% of general population and 25% of
registered Republicans!

Now, the task would be to convince the GOP majority in the House & Senate that the America people are more important than threats from the WH.
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:26 PM
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5. Now is the time to scream
DSM and "outing agents" to everyone you meet. Those two together are the key, as it is, people are pissed and they only really know about Rove. Make sure they learn it goes deeper!
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Don't forget

TREASON WAR CRIMES




Keiths Barbeque Central
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:42 PM
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9. Well, of course.
But you get to that when you've convinced the public that they have been lied to. Then you talk about retributions....
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BeatleBoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:27 PM
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6. Zogby says 42% on June 30th
Says 42% here...

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007

Do you have an updated link?
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:33 PM
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7. That's still pretty damn impressive!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:05 PM
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15. Sorry about that. I posted the link below.
Peace.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:47 PM
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31. Only 42%?
Only 42% feel that if Bush lied to start a war he should be impeached!! What would it take for the other 58% to believe he should be impeached? (I know, a blow job)
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petepillow Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:45 PM
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10. prison pics prison pics prison pics
hate to be a negative nancy, but i've been hearing about the prison pics for a while now. i'll believe they're coming when they come.

i'm sure 42% of americans would like nothing more than to turn back time to the 2000 election and have president gore in his second term. what we need is media spokespeople willing to play at the same grimy level as the repukes in order to sway public opinion. we even have the truth on our side, so why don't we have bastards like a rush or a hume to hammer it home?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:00 AM
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41. From what I understand (I saw it posted earlier) the pics
will be out on Friday. Just in time for the Friday dump...
But they'll be out! That's the important thing.

I type this info with a heavy heart. Friday will be a sad day in the history of our country.


Peace.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:51 PM
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12. favor impeachment IF: what are the ifs that are the basis of the poll?
does this mean favor impeachment now, based on what the respondents actually know as in: lets get it under way?

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:03 PM
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13. HERE'S THE LINK TO ZOGBY
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 09:04 PM by fooj
http://www.zogby.com/Soundbites/ReadClips.dbm?ID=11562

Mainstream Media Try to Hide the Impeachment Question


The latest poll shows more support for impeaching Bush now, than there was for impeaching Clinton when Congress did so in 1998. But the mainstream wimpmedia are reluctant to report on this. Here are portions of an article that managed to sneak into the Washington Post.

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by Dan Froomkin More than four in 10 Americans, according to a recent Zogby poll, say that if President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment.

But you wouldnt know it from following the news. Only three mainstream outlets that I can find made even cursory mention of the poll last week when it came out.
<snip>
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:05 PM
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14. fooj, I really needed to hear this...seriously.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:06 PM
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16. I'm glad to help. Will you help me get the word out on the boards?
Truth is our most powerful weapon!

Peace.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #16
23. Truth always wins....!! Thanks so much for the post...will keep kicked
and nominate. "Will you help me get the word out on the boards?" Do you want us to re-post your info?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:37 PM
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25. Sure. Whatever you think will motivate the masses.
Thanks for the nomination! Just trying to show that all is not lost! :hi:

Peace.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:15 PM
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17. I fear that we can learn and some people can wake up, but we can only
take back the country if there are no corporate republican voting machines, no corporate republican software, no corporate republican technicians fixing things, no corporate republican exit polls, no corporate republican vote calling. This means paper and manual counting, people conducted exit polls, and no corporate networks calling the vote and strict county, state, and federal oversight.

If our leaders and locals don't do this, they can steal it again.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:17 PM
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18. Yep. Those voting machines have got to go!
Peace.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:22 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. And if they can steal it, THEY WILL !
Like they have in the past.

The number that got me, was that 25% of republicans would be for kicking shrub out of office now! 25% and growing! OUCH...Dat's gotta' hurt!
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:27 PM
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21. Thanks for the great and interesting post...BTW, What is DSM????
I've read this again and again, and it's not even listed in Demopedia...what does it stand for? I've wracked my brains.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. DOWNING STREET MEMO
Big news...

Peace.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:36 PM
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24. Thanks Fooj...I should have come up with that one by wracking my
brain...Sooo obvious once you see it. I'll check demopedia for 'downing street memo' and see if I can add DSM for reference.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:39 PM
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26. The Abu prison photos are set to be released on Friday.
Just saw it posted on "Latest"...
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #26
29. To be honest, I don't know if I want to see them...but that's a relative
'good'...Like this entire administration has been up is down; true is false; bad is good; freedom is slavery...never thought Repubs would be the champions of double-speak.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:41 PM
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27. Kick!!!
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:43 PM
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28. It's actually 42% in favor, IF Bush lied about Iraq
Which he, of course, did -- but that's how the question was worded. :)
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #28
43. Thanks, G.
B-)
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:46 PM
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30. Thanks, I NEEDED that
Like many here I find myself alienated from many old 'friends' and even more family members.
'Politics should not come between people'.

This is NOT 'politics'.. Not to grandstand but this *IS* life and death.
American kids are dying every day, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been murdered, maimed. And 'fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here' is obviously ludicrous.

It becomes more and more difficult to associate with those who spout faux news talking points while breaking their own arm patting themselves on the back as if they are personally responsible for the GOP 'mandate'.

This is a VERY trying time and I so appreciate your post.

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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. Jhain... You sound like
me! :hi: & :pals: to you, DU friend!
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:27 AM
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61. back at ya
Thanks for the hug, AuntiBush- we gotta stick together.

I still have the bottle of champagne I bought on election day..and an awesome play list of good music- I have had a big party in a holding pattern....
Ready to launch at a moment's notice of anyone 'committing a crime' .

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:48 PM
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32. I'll hang in there.
I want Bush impeached and forced to resign. Impeachment isn't good enough for him.

:hi:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #32
45. It's Our House, damnit!
Right, Cat? :hi:

peace.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:50 PM
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33. Let's keep this kicked lovely people!!!! eom
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:15 PM
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34. kick.nt
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:47 PM
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35. Why isn't the DNC all over this?
If the corporate media isn't going to talk about it, why aren't they buying air-time? What are they waiting for? :grr:
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:21 PM
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37. I called DNC for 20 min. What they said...
I had building frustration that the DNC was totally missing the point of Rove, and missing the Downing Street Documents. I'm acustomed to calling Reps and Senators offices, or even the WH comment line, so I thought i would get cutoff after 3 minutes.

the lady listend to everything i had to say, which was alot, but kept going back to the point that bush lied us into war, and it is the biggest crime ever committed by our country, and it's costing lives, making us less safe, costing us billions, losing us allies, breeding terrorists.

i said, why the heck aren't you pushing the DSMs? she said, well if you loook on the site, and do a search...

i interupted and said "NO" you don't get it. You've got like 5 or more articles about Rove on the front page of the DNC website, and they all carefully avoid being to overt about what I prefer to say boldly, that BUSH LIED US INTO WAR AND IS COVERING IT UP.

i said, you need to make sure, every Dem on TV, no matter what the subject, or almost no matter what, they need to bring up the DSMs, or somehting related that points out how Bush lied.

And her response was not what i hoped for.

she talked about wanting the Dem message to be positive, blah, blah,

i interuped again and said, look, it's this simple. i've seen the polls. anger is building up in this country, and YOU are holding them back. the 50-52% who believe bush "deliberately mislead" are starving for leadership.

i told her that they can make the charges stick. there's whistle blowers like joe wilson and richard clark.

i said it doesn't have to cost you a PENNY. all you have to do is make it a priority to question and/or proclaim that bush lied us into war. it will ruin the republican name for one or two generations.

she tried to sign me up for email alerts.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 12:47 AM
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38. AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!
:grr: :yourock: :grr: :yourock: :grr: :yourock: :grr: :yourock: :grr: :yourock: :grr: :yourock:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:29 AM
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54. that's frustrating--who is the asswipe that came up with this...
"keep it positive shit?"

Have the Democrats not learned anything from the past twenty years of GOP success? You don't even have to lie or go personal like they do, just take the gloves off on their record. When the facts are on your side, present them bluntly and unapologetically.

In this case, I think they are soft-pedalling the lies by Bush because Dems want to serve the oil interests too. If they totally expose the false case for war, it will be harder to justify keeping troops there.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:06 AM
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56. Go for the jugular...
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 02:07 AM by fooj
It is time.

Peace.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:26 AM
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63. "go for the jugular...peace" I like that
Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:




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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #35
42. Dean's not about to "make nice" for
the traitorous Rethuglicans.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:05 AM
Response to Reply #42
47. Welcome to DU!
Rethuglicans? I like it!

Peace.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:08 AM
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49. Hillary is too busy calling for censorship of video games n/t
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:13 AM
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53. Pfffffttttttt...
:thumbsdown:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:49 AM
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55. does she really think that will peel the hillbillies away from GOP?
She could put on a Klan robe and listen to country music, and she aint going to get any dittoheads.

Why do democrats learn the WRONG less on from GOP? You don't court THEIR base, you court your own.

And show enough spine so that swing voters know that if they side with you, you won't run away in the heat of battle.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:



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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:09 AM
Response to Reply #55
57. Yurbud-
What the hell do you think those Clintons are up to?

Peace.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:49 AM
Response to Reply #57
60. auditioning to replace far right, not with us or hillbilly right
but with the power elite.

They are proving they can talk about distracting non-sense with a straight face while the real business goes on in the back room just as well as the right can.





Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:



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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 12:54 AM
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39. good info. nt
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 12:57 AM
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40. Thanks fooj, I needed that
I feel the same since the Downing Street "hearings".
Hope is alive.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:07 AM
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48. We can never lose hope! Hope sustains us!!!
:patriot:

Peace.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:02 AM
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44. thank you!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #44
51. Thank you. Thank all of you for fighting so damn hard...
and for never giving up. :headbang:

Peace.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:05 AM
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46. Feeling alive again
Now I can start to rest easier.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:09 AM
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50. The Zogby article is right.
Proof that the media isn't liberal;
That 42% of Americans want the President deposed, and the media wont touch it. More people than wanted Clinton impeached, even with 24 hour media histeria over Clinton's BJ -the BJ felt around the world!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #50
52. We're working like maddogs to get the DSM story out...
not to mention the pics and the mother of all betrayals...TRAITORGATE! Watch those numbers soar...

Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:10 AM
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58. "Ours is a noble and just cause and we've got to remain focused and ...
... and vigilant."

So very true and We The People .... will DO just that.

Thank you fooj!




Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 02:47 AM
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59. it is about time for people to wake up.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:54 AM
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62. NGU!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep Hope Alive!

:toast:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #62
64. Right on!!! NGU! Ever.
:patriot:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 04:00 PM
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65. Kicking for Bush Impeachment and Resignation!
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 04:03 PM
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66. 52% of Western states favor Impeachment if * misled.
42% nationwide.
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