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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:12 PM
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Hillary Clinton will NOT be a candidate in 2008.
Despite what the right wishes, and despite that some of you continue to buy into the right's pipe dreams, Hillary Clinton will not be a Dem presidential candidate in 2008.

She won't even be a primary candidate.

I remain shocked that a small contingency of DUers actually believe she'll run.

She won't.

I'm not saying that she isn't qualified to be president. She is. But, as the past five years have demonstrated, we are living in the second Dark Ages. Democrats will run someone who will win, and that will have to be a man.

I'm a feminist and I'm saying this. We won't win with a woman candidate in 2008. American sentiments will have to evolve a whole lot before we (or the Repubs) can win with a woman candidate.

I'm not saying that it's right. I'm just saying that this is the way it is.

So, even though the Right is trying to convince us that we will nominate Hillary, we won't.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:14 PM
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1. Sorry...I do not agree!
Not only do I think she will run, I believe she will win.

She has already begun the process of positioning herself for the run.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:15 PM
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3. and our video games will be safe for our kids. n/t
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:20 PM
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13. And we will have a Democrat in the White House...nt
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:15 PM
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2. I don't think so either.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:19 PM by Dulcinea
I like & admire Senator Clinton, but she's too polarizing of a figure. The wingnuts are just using her as a rallying cry to raise money.

That said, I'd love to see her on the Supreme Court one day!

Justice Hillary Clinton has a nice ring to it!
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:16 PM
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5. She would be awesome on the Supreme Court.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:19 PM
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12. That has been my fondest wish
since she was First Lady. She would make an awsome SC Justice.

TC
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:18 PM
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9. It isn't JUST that she's polarizing.
Bush really stirs up our angst with the best of them, and yet that didn't prevent him from winning.

Clinton energizes the right in a way few Democrats not named "Kennedy" can. But unlike Bush, or even Kennedy, Hillary just does NOT energize Democrats. And that's really all it comes down to.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:37 PM
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28. I agree
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:37 PM by lvx35
Hillary just seems so aloof, so untouchable, that I don't find her appealling. I want somebody more down in the mud like Dean. (not that he could run)
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:16 PM
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4. I'm very inclined to agree with you.
And while we're at it, let's end the "Clinton/Obama 08" dream too.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:16 PM
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6. It's not up to "Democrats;" it's up to her
If Hillary wants to be a a candidate, she will be.

And I defy you to tell her that she can't win and not get a knee to the groin in return.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:18 PM
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10. I'm a woman.
I doubt she would knee me in the groin.

I'll say it again. She won't run.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:17 PM
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Nothing but wishful thinking on their part anyway. Trying to talk it into
existence. I've never bought it for a second. It's red meat for them, which is why they want it so badly.

The way I see it, the conversation of a woman for president won't progress until the field of potential candidates incresases.

Until we can look around and see several women who would be a great president - from both parties - this country simply isn't ready for it.

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:17 PM
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7. I don't agree
A. I think she will run.

B. I think she could win. Yeah teh last couple of years have sucked pretty totally - but people are noticing that they have sucked.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:17 PM
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8. You make a lot of sense
but you seem to be assuming that the Dem leadership knows who can win. In my opinion, they don't.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:19 PM
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11. Hillary is already running.
If she wins the nomination, she will win.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:26 PM
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16. If she wins the nomination, she'll lose the general - - check out Zogby
Last month Zogby polled who folks would vote for in 2008. McCain slaughtered HRC, 54% to 35%. He slaughtered her in the blue states, and with every traditionally Democratic group. He even got 18% of the black vote against her in this poll!

She is a vote loser nationally. Let her stay in a safe state, like New York, where she can actually win.

And when we get control of the Supreme Court nominating process, we can revisit whether she is even on the short list of nominees (I'm guessing "no").
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:33 PM
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25. Yeah, but McCain won't get the nomination.
The Religious Right won't allow that to happen.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:39 PM
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29. I'm not so sure that the religious right will have the deciding say...
for Republicans in 2008.
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NeoGreen Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:21 PM
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14. Pelosi in 07!
Hey you never know!
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:21 PM
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15. I hope you're right, but she's not qualified to be President
At this point she hasn't even finished a single Senate term. She's accomplished nothing of importance as a Senator. But most importantly, she's made some really terrible votes when it really counted - - such as voting for the Iraq war and the Patriot Act - - which prove that she is either in way over her head, or she's so cynical she votes for the popular bill regardless of consequences of that vote.

Hillary Clinton is about the worst person we could nominate.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:27 PM
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19. What has Bush accomplished of importance?
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:29 PM
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21. Right and she now belongs to the Right Wing of the DLC
:)
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:31 PM
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22. Did she ever not?
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:32 PM
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23. Yes at one time in the middle of the road of the DLC
:evilgrin:
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:26 PM
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17. Yes, she will.
Just an opinion.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:26 PM
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18. Untill she comes out & says shes not running
I will assume that she is thinking about runnung.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:29 PM
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20. I do think a woman could run and win.
But that woman isn't Hillary.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:32 PM
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24. I agree
The US is not yet ready for a female president, no matter who she is, or how well qualified she may be.

My country, Canada, has not elected a female PM either.

England, Norway, India, Pakistan...only a few places so far have elected female leaders.
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ScamUSA.Com Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:34 PM
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26. agree 100%
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:35 PM
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27. I look to Mario Cuomo in '89 and '90
He was the thousand pound gorilla after George HW Bush won in 1988. Everybody was speculating on when he'd officially throw his hat into the ring. It was when, not if.

However, he never ran, never tossed his name in the ring or anything.

Too bad, he would have been a great president.

So, when people say Hillary is way out in front right now, I just look back to Cuomo around the same time 15-16 years ago and remember that a lot can happen in the next 12-15 months.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:18 PM
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43. Sigh. He would have been
a good president. Whenever I see Cuomo on TV and hear him speak, I think "If only".
Damn.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:43 PM
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30. democrats always think they will run "somebody who will win"
Case in point is John Kerry--his whole campaign was about his "electability".
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:57 PM
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31. You're not looking at the big picture....
Hillary is perfectly capable of winning the presidency, the one thing that determines whether she will or not is if we have a legitimate election. The media trying to paint Hillary as an unwinnable candidate are just making it all the more acceptable when the cabal steals another election.
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:00 PM
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32. How'd you come to this conclusion?
She's OBVIOUSLY running. She's running right now. How else do you explain the anti-GTA campaign, etc?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:20 PM
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33. Because she speaks out against violent video games, she's
all of the sudden a presidential contender?

:shrug: Please educate me. How does one make the giant leap from on to the other?
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:43 PM
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37. Demographics and presidential elections
Elections these days are fought on computers, voting registration
computers, voting computers and segmentation database computers for
political marketing.

There "is" a swing voting group, that is concerned about video game
violence, that can vote hillary in 08, and her advisors have identified
these swing demographics on thier databases. She is making her
appearances to win over these demographics. They are not you, you will
likely vote straight dem because you and "we" at DU are political
junkies who are compelled to vote against repukes.

Expect all her appearances in the next period to be a makeover to appear
centrist for those demographics. Then she'll have the broad appeal to
win a general in the conservative heartlands as well as the liberal
cities.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:30 PM
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34. Hillary can win in 2008
I support her if she runs, and will not be the one to cast any spell of
doubt over her presidency. She could be the greatest president america's
ever had, running on her common sense as a woman cleaning up after
an 8 year drunken frat party; making good after the burglary.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:32 PM
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35. we can win with the right nominee
male or female but sorry folks, Hillary isn't the right candidate

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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:36 PM
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36. She lost my vote over video came censorship
Do you ban R rated movies because kids can get adults to buy them a ticket?

It is evidence to me that she is selling out for politics.

I would much rather vote for Kerry again.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:45 PM
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38. Congratulations on having the cojones to post this.
No one feels half-way about this, and it took real courage to say it.

I'm not sure I agree or disagree about her running. The feeling comes and goes, but I do feel she's wrong for the coming election.

I'd love to see her on the Supreme Court. If Bush was really on getting the attention off of Rove, he would have nominated Hillary. The frenzy would have been enormous. And in the end, she would not have been okayed. But no one would have been talking about Rove for the time it took to choose her and have the hearings...

TC
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:48 PM
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39. Mrs. Clinton would face a huge challenge.
Hillary. Clinton.

Two words that will get every right wing nut in the country energized. Is her baggage worth the risk of losing one more time?

The question is not whether or not she can win...it's whether or not she could govern effectively. She may have a hard time convincing independents and moderates to vote for her for this simple fact. For one thing, she would not have the support of the media...indeed they would have a feeding frenzy that would make Bill's 8 years look like a Sunday afternoon prayer group meeting.

Also, I don't beleive a win in the Democratic primaries is a given...not if We The People follow Howard Deans' plan and take back our party. Unless the DLC completely controls things, and takes the party down the same unproductive path it did in 2002 and 2004, I am hoping for a real good primary season with several great choices.

Personally, I hope someone not in the limelight now runs...not a Senator (they have a really bad track record running for president), perhaps a Governor, perhaps someone who is not in an elected position now, perhaps someone who is not a career politician...
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:02 PM
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40. Even if she swore on a bible that she is not running...
no one would believe her. The RW gets huge amounts of donations with the prospect of her running. The Dems are also raking in money due to that. We will not know if she is running until she makes that official. I have doubts that she will run. I feel that W. Clark is the strongest candidate so far.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:34 PM
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48. I doubt she will run, too.
I have not seen a single bit of hard evidence to indicate for sure that she is.

Lacking that, I will continue to hold to my theory that the right LOVES making people think she will run.

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:33 PM
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47. I like this post, and agree!
:thumbsup:

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ConfuZed Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:05 PM
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41. WHOOO HOOOO!
After her right-wingish assault on GTA:SA for having a crappy sex scene she lost all of my support we need fresh people like Gavin Newsom running in '08
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:16 PM
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42. agree
"we are living in the second Dark Ages. Democrats will run someone who will win, and that will have to be a man."

As much as I'd like to see a woman candidate, it's not realistic. And anyway Hillary would be too easily shredded by her well-organized opposition. But any woman would be torn to pieces. It's a fading dream. I doubt we'll see a woman US prez in any of our lifetimes. We're way behind the 8-ball on a lot of those dreams. Gotta keep pushing on all fronts, but Hillary for President isn't one I'm going to waste much energy on.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:26 PM
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44. Since When Will Dems Pick "Men who can win"? They Haven't So Far
But the list was long regarding her NOT running for senator--starting with George STEPANOPOULIS and Dick MORRIS, people who were at least in physical proximity to her if not attuned to her.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:31 PM
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45. The idea of Hillary winning
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 05:36 PM by fujiyama
is a pipe dream. Plus I don't see one thing appealing about her these last several years.

Hillary has all the baggage of someone being on the far left (that's how MANY percieve her), and no amount of pandering to lazy parents will change that.

She'll lose the male vote by very large numbers. Granted, most Dems don't get a majority of the male vote, but she would lose it by huge numbers. I also don't see a single state Kerry lost that she'd win. OTOH, I can think of several states Kerry barely won that she'd likely lose.

This is not to say I don't believe a woman couldn't win but I don't think it's Hillary. I believe if a woman were to be elected, it would unfortunately be someone on the right. I don't see a liberal woman getting elected or someone percieved to be a liberal.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:31 PM
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46. For me it has nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman.
It has nothing to do with her party (that part is good!). It has nothing to do with her last name, either.

Personally, she does nothing for me. Zip. Nada. Never has. She's not a lightning rod or whatever, either. Not for me, anyway (I know she is for a lot of people). She's always elicited a shrug or two from me.

As for her voting record, it's mostly republican lite. It's not something I've been happy about.

For those reasons, if she throws her hat in the primary, I know I will not be supporting her for the nomination.

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