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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:21 PM
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Amy Goodman on Democracy now claims over 125,000 Iraqi...
...civilians killed since the beginning of invasion in March of 2003.

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/multi_media/Dahr_Jamail_D...

Yet official sites say only 25,000 killed. That's a big difference!
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:37 PM
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1. Consider what ELSE "official" sites and sources have said so far...
If you can believe that the US has lost/wounded close to 20,000 military personnel while only 25,000 Iraqis have died, I have a bridge in NY I would like you to make an offer on...
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:43 PM
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2. Official sites base their numbers on
Iraq Body Count, which only lists those cited in 2 independent media accounts. With the shape the media and communications are in, that 25,000 must be considered an absolute minimum number. If there is no media presence to report the death, or no second, confirming media presence, it won't be counted. Also, there is the fact that in many instances civilians are being counted (or not counted, as the case may be) among the insurgents. There is still no accounting for all casualties in Falluja, but the US military declared that all who didn't flee before the assault were insurgents, and therefore there were fewer than 100 civilian deaths there.

And none of this includes the increased numbers who have died of disease or contaminated water, because they were unable to obtain medicines, or of accidents, because they were unable to get to an operating hospital or clinic because of fighting or roadblocks.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:51 PM
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3. there have been such varied reports but i would always trust
amy over this government

prayers for everyone who has suffered because of bush et al
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dissent1977 Donating Member (795 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:51 PM
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4. The 125,000 number sounds accurate considering...
the Lancet put the number at over 100,000 last fall, it is certainly possible that an additional 25,000 have died since then. The military has consistantly underreported the number of casualties. They have spread so many lies about this war that their numbers cannot be trusted. The Lancet is a much more reputable source than the Pentagon, and Amy Goodman's numbers seem to be fairly consistant with the numbers the Lancet put out.
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