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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:53 AM
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Seymour Hersh's interview on Democracy Now! another major eye opener
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 07:04 AM by G_j
edit to note: this was yesterday's (Tues.) show.

I highly recommend reading/listening to this amazing interview

* Seymour Hersh: Bush Authorized Covert Plan to Manipulate Iraqi Elections *

Pulitzer prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh reports that
President Bush authorized covert plans last year to support the election
campaigns of Iraqi candidates and political parties with close ties to the
White House. Hersh cites unidentified former military and intelligence
officials who said the administration went ahead with the plan over
congressional opposition.

Listen/Watch/Read
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/19/135...


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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:55 AM
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1. Speaking of which
On a related note - there was a previous interview with him on Democracy Now, where he talked about the Abu Ghraib material that hadn't come out, saying "You haven't begun to see evil." :scared:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:44 PM
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10. Scary
I'll have to listen to this.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:57 AM
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2. Thank you G j
I was hoping to hear him!

:hi:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:03 AM
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4. this was yesterday's show btw,


Besides talking about messing with Iraqi and other elections he also discusses all the missing billions and corruption of the US military in Iraq.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:43 PM
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9. Deserves attention.
This information is yet another nail in the coffin of this criminal cabal in charge of our country.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:02 AM
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3. drip drip drip... Bush is going down!
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:24 AM
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6. I love those pictures you do nt
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:21 AM
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5. here is the New Yorker article "GET OUT THE VOTE"
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050725fa...

GET OUT THE VOTE

by SEYMOUR M. HERSH

Did Washington try to manipulate Iraqs election?

Issue of 2005-07-25
Posted 2005-07-18


The January 30th election in Iraq was publicly perceived as a political triumph for George W. Bush and a vindication of his decision to overturn the regime of Saddam Hussein. More than eight million Iraqis defied the threats of the insurgency and came out to vote for provincial councils and a national assembly. Many of them spent hours waiting patiently in line, knowing that they were risking their lives. Images of smiling Iraqis waving purple index fingers, signifying that they had voted, were transmitted around the world. Even some of the Presidents harshest critics acknowledged that he might have been right: democracy, as he defined it, could take hold in the Middle East. The fact that very few Sunnis, who were dominant under Saddam Hussein, chose to vote was seen within the Administration as a temporary setback. The sense of victory faded, however, amid a continued political stalemate, increased violence, and a hardening of religious divides. After three months of bitter sectarian infighting, a government was finally formed. It is struggling to fulfill its primary task: to draft a new constitution by mid-August.

Whether the election could sustain its promise had been in question from the beginning. The Administration was confronted with a basic dilemma: The likely winner of a direct and open election would be a Shiite religious party. The Shiites were bitter opponents of Saddams regime, and suffered under it, but many Shiite religious and political leaders are allied, to varying degrees, with the mullahs of Iran. As the election neared, the Administration repeatedly sought waysincluding covert actionto manipulate the outcome and reduce the religious Shiite influence. Not everything went as planned.

The initial election plan, endorsed in late 2003 by Paul Bremer, the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, involved a caucus system in which the C.P.A. would be able to exert enormous influence over the selection of a transitional government. Each major ethnic groupthe Shiites, who represent sixty per cent of the population; the Sunnis, with twenty per cent; and the Kurds, with around fifteen per centwould have a fixed number of seats in a national assembly. The U.S. hoped to hold the election before the transfer of sovereignty, which was scheduled for June 30, 2004, but the lack of security made the deadline unrealistic. Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the spiritual leader of one of the Shiite parties, the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, or sciri, agreed to accept a delay, as the U.S. wanted, in return for the White Houses commitment to hold a direct one-man, one-vote election. President Bush agreed. It was a change in policy that many in the Administration feared would insure a Shiite majority in the new assembly.

The obstacles to a free election, in a country with shallow democratic roots, suffering from years of dictatorship, a foreign invasion, and an insurgency, were immense. As Larry Diamond, a senior adviser to the C.P.A., warned Bremer in a March, 2004, memorandum, Political parties that have never contested democratic elections before tend to fall back upon their worst instincts and experience. They buy votes, and frequently they buy electoral officials. . . . They use armed thugs to intimidate opposition, and even to assassinate opponents. . . . They may use force and fraud to steal or stuff the ballot boxes.

..more..
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:27 AM
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7. kick
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:34 AM
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8. Undermines yet another BushCo/neoCON assertion that the war,...
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 10:35 AM by Just Me
,...in Iraq was about "democracy" and that free and fair elections would be assured. This cabal acts in direct contradiction of democracy. This cabal is ANTI-democracy.
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:28 PM
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11. Give them our form of democracy...rigged elections. It's what they
do best after all.

Disgusting.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:48 PM
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12. Just think: this cabal is creating the same kind of exploitation here.
The BushCo/neoCON regime are imposing exploitative manipulation of our own people,...right now.

That's how much this BushCo/neoCON regime HATES the ideal of democracy and HATES every facet of the American Dream to just have a shot at being our best.

Can you believe these evil fuckers are in charge of this country? DAMN!!!
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