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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:17 AM
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Another Idiot * Voter Now Begging Him For Help
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=...

Truly, what the hell is wrong with these people? :eyes:

They voted for him because of his moral values, and they are losing their state health care!

Sometimes I just have to shake my head at people like this.
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blueknight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:20 AM
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1. i have zero sympathy
in this world, you get what you paid for! i hope everyone that voted for this clown gets bit in the ass
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:27 AM
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6. Well, the people the DIDN'T vote for him are getting bitten for sure. n/t
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:28 AM
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8. I know. That is the super-sucky part.
n/t.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:21 AM
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2. I'm sure Bush** will pray for them (nt)
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:22 AM
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3. They should call the army of compassion eom
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:23 AM
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4. Hey Wilma -
Maybe you should have listened when John Kerry said that good affordable healthcare for all Americans IS a moral value.

I'm sorry you're sick, but it's your bed, you made it, enjoy lying in it.
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Yogi Donating Member (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:37 AM
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12. I couldn't agree more!
n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:11 PM
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103. I used to feel bad and do feel bad when
something like that happens. But if they voted for Bush and didn't listen to anything John Kerry said then I no longer feel that bad for someone. That's why people have to learn to vote smart. Having health care is a moral value worth having. I know that for sure (I don't have it either).
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:02 AM
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38. The US needs universal socialised health care.
You've never got it from a Repub, but then you've never got it from a Democrat either. Money=health is just wrong. There are people here whose political views I think are 'wrong' but I wouldn't want the UK to be a place where they couldn't afford to see a doctor. WTF - how can anyone be pleased that these people can't see a doctor because your healthcare system is so fucked?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #38
67. Thanks for your post.
Putting aside the irony of Wilma's vote, it is difficult to take pleasure in her misery. Unfortunately, our health care situation is just a symptom of the bigger "greed is good" corporatist stranglehold we're under.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:14 PM
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104. I don't know about that
Hasn't Hillary been fighting for national health care? I think in 2008 that will be a big issue. Mostly because so many people are now with out it.
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Pretty_in_CodePink Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:56 AM
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162. I hope so.
I'm listening to Bill Clinton's autobiography. Love to hear them read in authors' voices. Makes being in my car much more intersting. I recommend it if you haven't done it.

Anyway, in listening to the section on health care reform I felt so angry. Those mean spirited self serving republicans in collusion with the media saw to it that we didn't have a universal healthcare plan. Even repubs like Dole who had an interest in that issue. Instead of working with the Clinton team to put together a plan they had it killed. Just couldn't allow Clinton to accomplish something so relevant to the country.

He talks about a Wall Street Journal (I think) aticle about health care reform research. When people were asked about plans they overwhelmingly supported the unidentified Clinton plan as what they most wanted, but when asked about specifically about the Clinton plan opposed it. That makes me so sad!
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 08:15 AM
Response to Reply #38
206. Ditto that.
N/T.
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Shoeempress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:26 AM
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5. HAHAHAHA. Poor Wilma, guess those "morals" she voted for
don't include helping the poor. Doesn't she know she made a bad choice in choosing to be poor?
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:27 AM
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7. Yes. If she was a better person
she and her husband would have been provided with God's Bounty.

People like this make me crazy. Thanks Wilma, and say hi to Fred.
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phylny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #7
123. Perhaps someone who's Faith Based will take the Initiative and help
poor Wilma.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #5
133. yeah, she should get up off of her lazy communist ass and get a
job at mcdonalds.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #5
166. !0 to 1 poor Wilma will vote for him again if he gets a shot at a third
term somehow.

I'm sorry, but after speaking with republicans and watching what they do, I have come to the conclusion that the vast majority of them are as stupid and crazy as shithouse rats.

They, like Wilma, keep repeating the same mistake over and over again and expect different results.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:55 AM
Response to Reply #166
194. "Crazy as shithouse rats."
I love that. :rofl:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #166
201. I have noticed the same thing.
Job cuts were going gangbusters in pug's first term and his promised tax cuts never generated the 320,000 jobs a month he promised. Yet in so hard-hit states like Ohio, you would have thought the vote against Bush would have been like 99(Kerry)-1 (Bush). People voted for that dip anyway
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:29 AM
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9. We're sure gettin' reamed here in MO...
just like this gal and her husband. How telling is this quote-

"We cannot afford to go to the dr., much less pay for our medications. I feel that my own government has let us down, while at the same time trying to support other countries, free other countries, etc. Why can't our State elected officials take a pay cut, or lose some of the perks paid for by tax payers, and keep poor people alive a while longer? What has gong wrong with our priorities? We say "Give us your poor your hungry" etc. What about our own poor and hungry? This is the first time in my 61 years of life I've been so angry and hurt by my own government. Please help us and the many others that are being forced to an early death because we are no longer productive.
Thank you for your time."
Wilma

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME??????? Wilma et al- haven't you figured it out yet?? This president has NO TIME for ANY of us. Simply put- he couldn't care less about you.

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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:33 AM
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10. I love the part about how we are "freeing" other countries.
I mean, I guess we did free them from their health care.

And electricity. And lives in many cases. I am sure they see the invasion as a good thing, but still taking money away from the health care of good people like them.

It's enough to make you scream sometimes.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:48 AM
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35. I think she meant "freeing other countries' oil". nt
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:32 PM
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127. very sad and pathetic.
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PaulaFarrell Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #10
120. We freed their kids from going to school
At least without a bodyguard. That must be worth something.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #9
167. She can go back to college and learn a new career
A brave new world in the Bush economy!
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #9
183. We are definitely getting screwed over here in MO.
And now they (state govt) do not want it's citizens to even write to them about the problem (per article in Wed. KC Star).
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:37 AM
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11. Maybe send the letter to Poppy for one of his "1,000 points of light"
The apple didn't fall far from the tree, did it? Still they can't see the forest even though it is right in front of them.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:39 AM
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13. I'm sure the highly moralistic george bush will get right on this....
Wilma. :eyes: The fact is, Wilma, Republicans don't care if you live or die (ONCE you're out of the womb, that is). You voted for the wrong party, dearie, now you're paying the price. bush and his cronies are taking the money you depend on and are spending it on a bogus war and tax cuts for the rich. You DO support tax cuts for the rich, right Wilma? All that money will "trickle down" to you and your husband, just be patient. In the meantime, just try to hang on with no medical care or prescription drugs. We all have to do our part in the war on terror.
My question to you Wilma, why do you hate America? Your great leader wants you to sacrifice, and all you're doing is whining and complaining!
Should have voted for Democrats Wilma. You probably wouldn't be in the fix you're in today of you had. But you had to vote for the "highly moral" george bush. If allowing people in our country to die from lack of basic health care is "highly moral", I'd hate to see what low morals look like. I guess that would be like a President having a girlfriend. We can't have that now, can we? :eyes:

On the serious side, another Red-Stater with buyer's remorse. george bush couldn't give two shits about you and your husband, Wilma.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:41 AM
Response to Reply #13
17. I think they really think he reads these pleas and will
personally do something for them. Wonder what happens when nothing happens (other than death for them not having medical care or meds?)
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:54 AM
Response to Reply #17
222. W probably reads them for giggles between snorts
off the coke-spoon. 'Gimme anudder one a 'dem letters, Karl, you little swwetie!"
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:26 AM
Response to Reply #13
48. Well said........n/t
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realms Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:11 PM
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143. highly relevent
Great Post!
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #13
163. I'll bet that Al Gore is looking better to Wilma and her hubby now,
too. I do hope that it soon dawns on this nut that her doing her part twice to turn TN red was truly a grand idea! I don't think it's bitten her in the ass quite enough yet.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:39 AM
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14. Wilma, if you want free health care then you need to move to Iraq.
Asking Bush to help you is like talking to a brick wall.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:39 AM
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15. Ever squeeze a water balloon?
It just bulges out somewhere else.. That's what happens to state budgets when *² steals all the money for the war and for his cronies no-bid contracts..There's less money going to states for help, so guess what happens next?

Let's see how the freepies like begging for food stanps and unemployment extensions when they can no longer afford even an occasional trip to Wallyworld :(
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:21 AM
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23. You can bet they will be first in line.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:39 AM
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54. No question about it.
People like this Wilma....just exasperate me so.

I want to yell at them that just because Bush (or anyone else)
SAYS he is a CHristian, wants to promote moral values, etc, doesn't mean JACK.

Didn't these people ever learn, "Actions speak louder than words?"
Or to put it in Biblical terms, "By their fruits ye shall know them."
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:40 AM
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16. Lazy, no good LiberaLs
with their hand out again.. oh.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:42 AM
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18. Lol!
They are a bunch of whiners. :)
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:48 AM
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19. Nice find
This person is a total idiot- if she wanted a candidate who cared about those things, she voted for the wrong guy last November!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:49 AM
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20. Well, Wilma has answered a question of mine.
I've muttered - at least a million times - aren't Bushies affected by the same things we are? Spread the word, Wilma. If we get a Democratic Congress and a Democratic President we might have a chance for health care.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:01 AM
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21. We Democrats Have Failed This Woman
She should not be writing to George W. Bush to beg for help, she should be writing to a Democrat to thank him or her for the help she got.

We should not be mean to this sick, poor, old, ignorant, deluded, Republican. We should be the one fixing her problem. That incompetent son of a bitch in the White House sure won't do it.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:08 AM
Response to Reply #21
22. I agree but ...
she needs to vote for a Democrat if she wants help from them. Democrats can't help her if they can't get elected.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:27 AM
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27. I disagree
Just a little point: She doesn't have to vote for Democrats to get help from us, we just have to be in office. In fact most people who voted for Bush would probably be more than happy to switch sides if they saw some concrete help might result.

Fact the facts, the Republican machine has convinced an awful lot of americans that the Democratic Party has nothing to offer them. The perception exists, and for good reason, that the Democrats are the party of the city and its worthless poor. We are the bringers of the welfare state, the masters of regulation, godless heathens absorbed in our hedonistic lifestyles for whom the notion of work ethic, honor, and self reliance are anathama. Unless we banish that lie and start doing some concrete things for these natural constituents don't be a bit suprised at lost elections or even public acceptance of election fraud.
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:29 AM
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49. No.
Nobody forced her to vote Republican. People need to take personal responsibility for their actions. In this case, she needs to take personal responsibility for voting Republican.

I did what I could; I voted Democrat.
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:26 AM
Response to Reply #21
26. Damn, good post.
I couldn't agree more.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #21
36. No, this woman is delusional and we need to write her off.
If we as Democrats waste our time actually fixing Bush's policy mistakes for "values voters" (sic) like Wilma, shame on us. Of course, she will gleefully accept relief from Democratic programs like Medicaid, general relief and Veterans Administration benefits, but in the end --and in the voting booth-- she will always, always, always vote for the "values" candidate as defined by the Right wing media machine.

She is self-righteous, censorious and, yes, hateful of other cultures, peoples and lifestyles. She can be easily controlled by her local theologists and RW radio. She is convinced that she WILL BURN IN HELL if she votes for a Democrat.

We cannot afford to waste one penny of our of our scarce message-resources on Wilma.

The good news is that Wilma only represents, at most, 22% of the voting public.
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #36
80. Yeah
Who wants to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do? Why try to win over voters? Let's just call all who disagree with us idiots - THEN they will vote for Democrats.

The logic is just so breathtakingly clear.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:04 AM
Response to Reply #80
196. So please tell me
what exactly is supposed to appeal to masked homophobic voters? These people believe Dems are "baby killers".

I'm tired of pandering to religious bigots. If they didn't realize that Bush doesn't give a shit about her for four years, there is no hope.
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 10:44 AM
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200. Mmmmmmmmmm strawman
Point out where I said we need to "pander" to them and start railing against the Queer Conspiracy to Make Us All Gay. You won't find it because I didn't say it. The idea is to get these people over to our side on economic issues and with the increasing dissatisfaction over the war in Iraq.

But, wait, that's too hard for fujiyama. No, let's just call them stupid fucking racist bigot rednecks and berate them for not being Perfect Good and Holy Like Us. That'll win more elections!

You know, for all I'm sure you hate fundamentalists, you seem to have no problem behaving like one for liberal politics, insulting and degrading anyone who does not just automatically come to your position.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:44 PM
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205. Sorry
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 06:03 PM by fujiyama
but there is only so much the party can do.

And frankly I'm sick of men and women like Welma who usually are probably ranting about the "Godless unpatriotic commie - liberals" whining later about her benefits being cut.

I'm also tired of apologizing for racism and bigotry and I'll call these people out when I see it. I would more than welcome people in Welma's economic condition to join the party, but it's apparent they have to get over their own fear and prejudices which are overwhelming them into voting rationally.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #36
207. No, we'll help her because we have values.
Wilma may not get it (yet) that if Bush were any kind of a moral leader, he would be focused on the needs of the world community and not carefully isolated from reality. But whether Wilma ever gets it or not, we need to push for the help that will mean so much to people like her. If we don't, our supposed values are hollow.

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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #21
45. I don't think Dems have failed anybody. The DREs are at fault.
If the vote counting had been fair, Kerry would be in the WH after a comfortable victory of 3%-5 1/2%, somewhere in that range (according to the exit polls, the only true measure nowadays of the outcome of elections).

All Dems can do is vote in large numbers and express opinions, and the Dems did both in 04, in spades. The Dems in positions of authority who should have been screaming bloody murder about the fraud are at fault. If they don't give a damn about this democracy, then what can we do? The vote fraud is by now completely obvious to anybody who investigates it.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:16 AM
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88. we have been trying to help her, but she stabbed us in the back
Im sorry, but you vote for Republicans, you are voting against the work of Democrats. She has NO SYMPATHY from me.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #21
118. And have bush take credit for it?
I really think the only thing that will wake the ignorant masses up is suffering. These things always work in cycles. A Democrat takes charge, starts cleaning house and putting things in order. People begin to get happy and complacent and now think; Hey, I forgot what it was like to live unemployed and destitute, it's time to vote republican! It seems like Wilma is getting a healthy dose of compassionate conservatism if you ask me.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
151. I think she can go to hell
My compassion is exhausted. It's just not there anymore, and now she needs to learn her lesson.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:58 AM
Response to Reply #21
195. What a bunch of shit
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 06:01 AM by fujiyama
This is her own fuckin fault and the fault of the rest of the people in states like MO, where gay marriage scared people to vote for Bush. MO voted 75+% in favor of a ban on gay marriages. Frankly this is what they deserve.

I personally don't share any responsibility and neither does KErry or Gore, for this woman's situation. Oh and nice RW talking points about Dems being Godless heathens that bring upon regulation and the welfare state. In case you didn't realize, social seurity and healthcare are PART OF A WELFARE STATE! Go take your RW perceptions of the party elsewhere.

Oh and BTW, HOW THE FUCK IS A MINORITY PARTY SUPPOSED TO SOLVE THIS IDIOT's PROBLEMS?



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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:10 AM
Response to Reply #195
197. When I read letters like Wilma's
(and they sadly are popping up with greater frequency on congress.org, big surprise?), I do wonder how in the hell we are supposed to "reach" the Wilma-type voter. At this point, I am not so sure we even can.

:shrug:
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mohinoaklawnillinois Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:23 AM
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24. Oh, Wilma, cry me a river.
:nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

You voted for it, you got it.

Maybe you ought to ask your pastor for help...
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:26 AM
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25. Reap the whirlwind, Wilma.
No sympathy whatsoever.
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:31 AM
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28. Cry me a river Wilma.
I have absolutely no sympathy for you or your husband.
Your only hope is that he lives long enough to benefit from the progressive advances of the next couple DEMOCRATIC administrations.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:34 AM
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29. My father,God bless him, a Die Hard Dem till the day he died
last August - always asked people like Wilma,and he knew more than a few like her, " Do your beliefs and morals put food on your table?help educate your kids? Keep a roof over your head? YOUR VOTE DOES THAT!!!!"

He never failed to ask questions such as those when confronted with people like Wilma.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:38 AM
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30. very sad story
sucks actually. In all of this, there are many people out there just like Wilma - voted for Bush and have nothing. There are also people who voted for Gore and Kerry, and have nothing. To live in a country like ours, with so much wealth and have people like Wilma. very sad.
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Bassic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:41 AM
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31. People just don't think anymore.
It was obvious that health care was not something that Shrub saw as a priority, what was shw thinking? Voting for the chimp was jsut plain stupid, now live with it, moron.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:43 AM
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32. Vote for Republicans and die earlier. n/t
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sshan2525 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:43 AM
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33. I'm disappointed in the reaction...........
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 07:44 AM by sshan2525
of many of you. I hate W and the GOP as much as anyone, but I think the schadenfreude over these people's problems is way over the top. You sound more like Repugs than DU'ers. Being an idiot or even a card carrying Repug doesn't make one deserve to get screwed by the system any more than anyone else.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:54 AM
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37. Personally, I don't "hate W and the GOP" - I do, however,
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 08:03 AM by comsymp
have limits to my patience and compassion for anyone who contributes to making their own situations worse, and then whining about it.

Granted, "being an idiot or even a card carrying Repug doesn't make one deserve to get screwed by the system any more than anyone else." BUT people like Wilma follow their warped views of what's "moral" into supporting this Administration. They disparage our lack of "morals" when we support things like universal health care and assistance to disabled / elderly folks, or when we oppose actions by our Government to screw folks exactly like her. These people act according to their priorities, demonize those with different priorities, and then piss & moan when they get what they ask for. Fuck 'em.
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CarbonDate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:32 AM
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50. Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself. n/t.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:47 AM
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56. Actually, you did
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:08 PM
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101. That sounds a little like a Republican argument.
Not much of this is her own making. People are entitled to make mistakes. I find berating them for their "morals" is, in this case, morally problematic in itself.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:54 PM
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115. Sheesh, not even sure where to start with that-
OK, so it sounds (to you) like a Republican argument. Sadly, it does to me, too. Pity Dems have yielded the whole "personal responsibility" thing, huh? But that aside, so what? Not all R arguments are devoid of logic, just as not all D arguments are unimpeachable. Fact is, actions -> consequences is a common thread in most cultures / religions, as it is in science. Call it "wages of sin", karma, or "an equal and opposite reaction." I stand by it.

But more specifically, how do you figure that "not much of this is of her own making"? She's obviously on The Internets, and information is available to anyone who bothers looking for it. There is no excuse for her to have allowed herself to be conned by GWB... assuming that she was conned, and not fully in support of his transparent actions.

Of course ppl are entitled to mistakes. I've certainly made my share, and will continue to do so. I won't, I hope, be willfully ignorant enough to continue to make the same ones, over and over. IF she has a pattern of supporting politicians based on her "moral" beliefs, and those politicians consistently screw her (and/or ppl like her), she has an obligation to learn from her mistakes. Her message to Bush clearly stated that she has not.

As for my morally problematic "berating them for their 'morals'... you've misread everything I've written. I'm "berating" (although I take issue w/that characterization; saying "search me for sympathy" doesn't meet the criteria, IMO) her for her
a) continuing to exercise poor judgement (voting "morals" over survival, in this case) in the face of overwhelming evidence against her position,
b) choosing ignorance, and
c) I'm making a broader accusation against ppl in general who don't mind their neighbors being fucked over - and in fact, attack those who would interrupt the fucking - but whine like Rush with an empty medicine cabinet, when karma bites them in the ass.

FWIW, as a smoker, I have no plans to sue RJR if I develop lung cancer. Flipside, I do hold 'em responsible for their sick practice of targeting kids.

As a pudge, I don't hold Mickey D's responsible.

As an American, I realize that "they hate us for our freedoms" is bullshit.

And while I have enormous sympathy for folks who find themselves against a wall, through circumstances OF, OR NOT OF, their own making, I have very little for the "little Eichmanns", as Ward Churchill recently put it.

From what I read, she's a little Eichmann. And my finite amount of compassion can be, IMO, better used elsewhere.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:10 PM
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119. Of course we're free to spend our compassion however we think best.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:24 PM by BurtWorm
It just seems like a lot of people here (not just you, of course, but most of this thread, which is now over 100 posts long) are freely spending the opposite of compassion on someone in need. It's a little grisly and bizarre.
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realms Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:45 PM
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144. utter exasperation
"unto the least of thee" What choice do I have. I'm not going to throw anyone away. I was helped immeasurably by the kindness of strangers.
Imagine these republicans learning about life from a no count vagabond.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:00 AM
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164. But here's the rub with me. I know many Wilma's who received
TNCARE, had their kids on free and/or reduced breakfast and lunch at school so the kids at least had something to eat each day, and they and their kids walk around berating those "entitlement programs", those "damned libruls", etc. No, I think that these folks need to fully come to understand that elections have consequences.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:01 AM
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173. Well perhaps this letter is a sign that she does understand.
Too late.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:32 PM
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152. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:36 AM
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51. There are many people out there who were misled into voting
the way they did ... people who don't have our obsessive interest in following politics, and who truly didn't see this coming. Ridiculing them now (because we're still pissed they didn't vote for our candidates) doesn't do any of us any good.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:25 AM
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192. I blame the median and the Christian right..
more than I blame Wilma. It sounds as if She has her hands full taking care of her husband. I doubt she had much time to do serious research on the two candidates.

A pesron who only gets their information from the news networks or from their pastor could easily have been fooled. We all know how biased the media was during the election season aand how full of crap the lead3ership of the Christian Right is.

Of course, if Wilma decided gay marriage and abortion bans or killing Muslims and passing PATRIOT act II should be the nation's top priorities, then she has only herself to blame.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:13 AM
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198. How do you make the EXACT same mistake TWICE?!
People are supposed to learn from their mistakes. She had a problem with Clinton and voted for Bush in '00? Fine, it was stupid but I know several friends that learned their lesson and voted for Kerry this time.

This is crazy. Some people never learn. You've got to be blind to not realize how fucked up things are.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:30 AM
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66. I'm with you.
It's one thing to point out that Bush is not a values guy. It's another to almost seem to enjoy someone elses suffering.

I don't blame this woman. FEAR got the best of her after 9/11 and Bush took advantage of that.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:43 AM
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70. Thanks. Ghoulish "schadenfreude" was just what I was thinking.
Sad.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:45 AM
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79. We have every right to vilify them for their stupidity.
We suffer too when gullible people vote republican/corporations.



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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:05 PM
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100. I totally agree with you. This is an awful situation. Nothing to rejoice
over. If it happened to Bush or Cheney, maybe... But not over this poor woman and her husband. She's waking up, at least, though too late. It's sad, and I feel for her.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:38 PM
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122. OH YES IT DOES!!! They damn well do deserve to get screwed.
Re >>Being an idiot or even a card carrying Repug doesn't make one deserve to get screwed by the system any more than anyone else.<<

**WE** are the ones who don't deserve to get screwed by the system because AT LEAST we have brains enough to vote our own interests! **WE** didn't ask for it. They DID ask for it and now they should damn well get it!!!

Have you ever watched a diehard Repug's or theocrat's EYES fucking glaze over when you try to talk some sense into them about politics? They just tune you out when you try to explain to them what their "values" votes actually mean in the real world and in their own lives. It's not only that they're stupid, but that they work so fucking hard at being stupid. THAT is why I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

These people NEED to suffer! I said after the Selection that I don't want these churchy types and neocon wannabes to feel *MY* pain. I want them to feel THEIR OWN pain, becsause that's the only thing that has a snowball's chance in hell of waking them up.

Nope, I don't feel sorry for Wilma. Not one tiny little bit.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:05 AM
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176. "Elections have Consequences"
i think that's all Wilma needs to know.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 02:22 AM
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186. We aren't taking delight in their predicament
We are deriding them for voting for rethugs, then bemoaning the results of their policies. Don't join a Christian church then lament the fact that you can't sleep late on Sundays.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:46 AM
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34. Well, as long as we have a "moral" President who doesn't get
blowjobs in the OO, and as long as the homos can't get married, and as long as them brown folks are kept in their place, decent "moral" Americans can answer GW's call to make a few sacrifices - so suck it up, Wilma.
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:06 AM
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39. What will it take to wake these people up?

:banghead:
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:08 AM
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40. You mean..
.. not everyone is part of Bush's ownership society? Even so, they should be happy that they have such a strong, non-compromising, war leader in office, someone who is at least better than Kerry would have been, even if they had to struggle mightily to push that Diebold or touchsceen button for Bush... as so many of them are reporting.

I'm sorry. But I have no compassion for such stupidity.

Ugghh.

Sue
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:09 AM
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41. I like this one better :)
http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=...

"JESUS CRIST! SHOULD I START TO LEARN CHINESE NOW OR LATER?"
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BronxBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:13 PM
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95. That was pretty funny....
Bet they got his ip address.
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xmas74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 02:23 AM
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187. lathrop isn't that big.
I bet that everyone in that town could narrow down who wrote that to about 5 people or so.
it's still funny as hell and I'd like to shake that person's hand.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:09 AM
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42. Dear Mr. President. I voted for you, and my life sucks.
But its not your fault. Its those damn democrats.

If only there was a party last election who was interested in domestic policy, who cared about Americans and wanted to make life better here.

But you are still great. I don't care how badly you screw me and my family over. I will always blindly support you.




I hate to say this, but if she and her family voted for Bush both times, they deserve whatever bad happens to them.

Fuck them.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:12 AM
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43. well it seems
Wilma's finally making the connection that benefits and services to average Americans are being curtailed to fund an immoral war that profits the rich. Doesn't she know we all have to sacrifice in "wartime"...? :shrug:

It's at least positive to see some kool-aid drinkers making the connection. Too bad they always have to experience things first hand before they'll believe it. But maybe this is the only way they can understand the way things work these days. To give them a break, that kool-aid sure was GOOD while it lasted...you can get really high off it. But the crash is a real bummer.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:14 AM
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44. i just imagined bush reading her Letter
weLL, having the Letter summarized for him, and mocking her:

"waaah. pLease don't kiLL me. heh heh"
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #44
130. I know I'm going to hell for laughing at that hypothetical reply,
but as Homer Simpson likes to say, "it's funny because it's true!"
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:26 AM
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46. Dear Wilma,
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 08:30 AM by smoogatz
Thanks very much for sending me an email over the internets. I'm sorry to hear that you and your husband are having such difficult times. As you know, my job is hard work--and one of the hardest things about it is having to listen to the sob stories of sad sacks like yourself. It just wears me out sometimes; even more than clearing brush down on my ranch in Crawford, Texas. Down in Crawford, people believe in taking personal responsibility for their problems (unless you've got a few million to contribute to one of my campaigns like Ken Lay and the boys at Enron, in which case I'll do whatever it takes keep your ass out of prison--but that's another story). They also believe in the power of prayer. That's why I'm happy to refer you to one of our faith-based initiators, Billy Ray Kozlowski, who runs the Mega-Church of Christ in a Drive-In not far from you in Muskrat Haunch, Arkansas. Billy Ray and his entire congregation have agreed to pray for you and your husband for fifteen seconds next Sunday, at absolutley no charge to you (although I wouldn't get too used to those food stamps--they're probably gonna get cut off when the next round of tax cuts for my rich buddies goes into effect. Sorry!). I have absolute faith that Billy Ray and his Sunday pray-a-thon is the answer to all of your problems. If it doesn't work, it's probably because you or your husband is unworthy in the eyes of God. In closing, thanks for voting for me. I hope you'll vote for my brother Jeb when he runs in '08. His moral values are pretty much exactly the same as mine.

Lots of luck,

George W Bush
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:47 AM
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55. That was great, and right on target. nt
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NightHawk63 Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #46
57. Too funny...
...and probably not far off the mark!
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:35 AM
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77. Welcome to DU, Nighthawk
:hi:
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Pool Hall Ace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:08 AM
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61. As sad as this situation is,
your reply gave me a good laugh!

'Mega-Church of Christ in a Drive-In' :rofl:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:34 AM
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76. You sound exactly like him.
:rofl:
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:26 AM
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47. you know...
I understand the anger - really understand it, I've been in a rage since 2000 - but this letter is tragic on so many levels that I can't take any glee from it or a 'fuck you' attitude toward the writer.

When Wilma gets the 'reply' we know she'll get - nothing - the light will come on. Note that she writes, "This is the first time in my 61 years of life I've been so angry and hurt by my own government." Instead of heckling her for voting for Bush twice, we should think about how we can seize upon the anger of the 'morals voters' to bring them back where they belong - us.

I hardly think this woman is out of reach - she gets it. "Please help us and the many others that are being forced to an early death because we are no longer productive."

Personally, I don't want to see any American suffer, especially ones who have to support two adults on $769 a month and are getting what little safety net is out there removed. I don't care what party she belongs to - this problem of withdrawing health care from the poor is very real and we need to focus on this immorality like a laser beam. And remember some compassion, misguided as this woman has been.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #47
52. Well said!
:applause:
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sshan2525 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #47
53. My point exactly.......
Thanks for putting it so eloquently.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:07 AM
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60. If you think it's not her fault she's stupid, you might be a liberal.
But seriously. Working-class people have been thoroughly suckered by the right ever since the Reagan years. It's much easier for many Americans to believe that a politician would lie about a blow-job than about their whole agenda. The working class in this country has forgotten what Democrats, going back to FDR, have done for them. The great failure of the current incarnation of the Democratic party is that we've lost sight of that great progressive heritage, too.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:22 AM
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64. True. The stupidity might be maddening to us, but it's a product
of years of Republican propaganda. It's not politically or ethically desirable to write all these "stupid" working class people off.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:25 AM
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65. actually...
I don't think she's stupid. She's clearly bright enough to make the connection between this very expensive, treasury-draining war and occupation and the loss of her state medical benefits. Whether or not she should have done so prior to voting for Bush again in 2004 is between her and her conscience, although her vote is helping to drag many innocent people down in her same situation. I know it's hard to get past that fact or to not be angry about it.

I completely agree with you regarding the failure of our Democratic leadership in dealing with what has really become the third rail of American politics - poverty. At least Edwards wasn't afraid to address the subject (and he still is addressing it).

I just had a great feeling of sadness reading that letter as she begged this elitist fat-cat for her very life and the life of her husband. I wonder if Wilma had come here and read this thread if she'd feel that Democrats have any better solutions for her, or if we're so divided as a country all we can do is hate her for her vote.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:46 AM
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71. Stupid is as stupid does
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 09:46 AM by smoogatz
And those who vote repeatedly against their own economic self-interests because they believe all the "moral values" crap are classic evolutionary failures. But yes, what we learn here is that economic populism, framed correctly, is the winning platform for the next generation--which is how long it's going to take to sort out the wreckage after Bushco is through. That's what I love about Howard Dean--he's a true progressive who understands that economic populism should be the lens through which the Democratic party views itself. Bush is a religious populist, and has managed to use the weapon of his alleged faith very successfully. But I think the clock is running out on the fundie/corporate/neocon coalition.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:10 AM
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62. Gotta respond to that
I understand the anger - really understand it, I've been in a rage since 2000 - but this letter is tragic on so many levels that I can't take any glee from it or a 'fuck you' attitude toward the writer.

No "glee" here, either. Just exhaustion and rising contempt for those who actively support the actions (and actors) which hurt them, while often heaping scorn (and worse) on those who try to help.

When Wilma gets the 'reply' we know she'll get - nothing - the light will come on.

I hardly think this woman is out of reach - she gets it. "Please help us and the many others that are being forced to an early death because we are no longer productive."


No it won't, and no she doesn't. Hell, reread the letter. The only specific "help" she's asking Bush for is some mechanism by which STATE Gov't officials remit part of their salaries and perks to fund TennCare, etc. Not for nothin, but TN Legislators make 16,500/yr. The Gov (in '01) made $85K. I don't think the pay cuts she wants would go as far as she'd like. Meanwhile, she is completely disregarding the role "her guys" in DC have been playing in screwing her, since they're so "moral". Think she'll believe it if you try to tell her that the Bush tax cuts, deficit spending, domestic cutbacks, etc., have ANYTHING to do with the hit states are taking. Shee-it, best you're likely to get is an offer to pray for your hellbound, Lie-beral soul.

Personally, I don't want to see any American suffer, especially ones who have to support two adults on $769 a month and are getting what little safety net is out there removed. I don't care what party she belongs to - this problem of withdrawing health care from the poor is very real and we need to focus on this immorality like a laser beam. And remember some compassion, misguided as this woman has been.

Personally, I don't want to see anyone, American or not, suffer. You're right, but people like her don't see this as "immorality"- that word is reserved for same-sex marriage and the other issues which prompted her to support - and continue to support - her "moral" President. And as for compassion, I reserve mine for the many, many folks who are getting screwed, and aren't enabling the screwers.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:41 AM
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69. I know...
And as for compassion, I reserve mine for the many, many folks who are getting screwed, and aren't enabling the screwers.

I can and do feel rage for the middle-class suburbanites with their yellow ribbon-stickered SUV's who voted for Bush, for the cowardly young Republicans who support his wars but won't fight in them, for corporate fat-cats and war profiteers who are sucking on the public teat while berating welfare reform for the proles, etc. etc.

I should feel enraged by this woman and scornful of her proposed solution. But still, you can feel her terror in every word and she's not bitching about gas prices - this is life and death stuff, even if she voted for her own death sentence. As angry as I am, I hope she gets the help she needs - and I know she won't.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:52 AM
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72. Despite our differing views on some points of this issue,
particularly the culpability / fuckem angle, we're in complete agreement on your last couple sentences:

But still, you can feel her terror in every word and she's not bitching about gas prices - this is life and death stuff, even if she voted for her own death sentence. As angry as I am, I hope she gets the help she needs - and I know she won't.

I may not claim "compassion" for people like (i presume) her (to be), but I can still despise the wrongness and unnecessary helplessness of the circumstances she finds herself in.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:03 AM
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191. You're right, "She voted for her own death sentence."
I heard that in the letter too. Maybe my replies yesterday were a bit over the top. But damn, I just get SOOOO frustrated that she can't make the connection between her vote and her predicament. And why aren't the Democrats CLEARLY speaking the language of class warfare?
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:40 AM
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78. I tend to agree
I don't see too much evidence that real learning has occurred here. In fact, she's even writing to the guy who's responsible for her misery and expecting help.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:11 PM
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94. There's a huge difference between mere ignorance...
and willful ignorance.

Mere ignorance is innocent, and it deserves sympathy. WILLFUL ignorance, as in the case of Wilma and so many others who absolutely REFUSE to look at the bare facts in front of them, deserves, in my opinion, no pity whatsoever.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:40 PM
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109. I'm with you, DemBeans
We as a party really ought to find a way to tap into the growing misery and fear that is a direct result of the Bush administration, the Republican Senate, the Republican House, a judiciary heavily weighted toward conservative Republicans, and the Rovian Wurlizer of Republican-supporting major media.

Wilma, you ought have figured it out already, this is increasingly a Republican world and it disgusts and repells many of us. Join us in our fight for our own peace, our own share of prosperity, our own American Dream.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:49 PM
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113. thank you for posting that. absolutely agree. when we lose our humanity
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 02:50 PM by faithnotgreed
we lose
period

my heart goes out to wilma and the so many like her no matter who they voted for
the media has a great deal to do with misleading people like her and we know bush could care less
let them know that someone does care - the democratic party

edit: spelling
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:05 PM
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146. Good luck
Many here have been hurt by Bush, neocons, and libertarians. I can't get a job unless I graduated from WKU instead of EMU (can't afford that), move to India, or turn to Jesus. It sucks ass. Wilma may wake up but more needs to be done. Ohio has already removed it's disability coverage. 100% gone. More people suffer and die, people will wake up. Most of these people have so much hate for liberals, thanks to Rove, they will need old fashioned pain to see that Republicans only care for the wealthy. Sorry, Wilma, but vote for your interests, not the interests of billionaires.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:44 AM
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220. good answer but this will be a tough sell
phil bredesen is a dem -- where is the lady to turn, our side has failed her too

i wouldn't mind a means to excommunicate from the party heartless climbers like bredesen
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:02 AM
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58. I think Wilma pretty much answered her own questions
that's how much your leaders care about you Wilma. You are useless to the state so you get to die. I notice she just wants her state officials to take a pay cut. how about Dick Cheney giving up his Haliburton pension. Maybe some of that 300+ billion we spent in Iraq could have helped your medical bills.
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:05 AM
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59. Look at me Wilma, I'm playing the World's Smallest Violin.
:nopity:

You'll recieve no pity or sympathy from me. You reap what you sow.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:11 AM
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63. frigging idiot
"strong moral values." what an utter load of crap.

this woman is getting what she deserves.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:36 PM
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153. She is getting EXACTLY what she wished for, no more, no less
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 11:37 PM by kestrel91316
Ain't karma a bitch, Wilma?
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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:41 AM
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68. guess it's just time to settle in for a period of "belt-tightening"
Q: "You mean people will have to watch their budgets in order to get through this temporary lull in our economy?"

A: "No, I mean people will have to use home-made tourniquets, 'cause they won't be able to afford health care."

It's the your-on-your-own-ership society!
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:20 AM
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73. I've read Wilma's letter and I'm torn.
Obviously part of me feels for her. She is pretty much screwed of course but at the same time she irritates me. Here you are on living on practically nothing and at the mercy of a government program. So your logical decision is to vote for * and more then likely your local (R) officials, which incase was the really bad decision. She should really be sending this to her local legislature anyway.

I mean she is a grown up she should know better, hell I'm just 28 but I figured out Republicans = social darwinism a long time ago. The ultimate goal is the destruction of all social programs and safety nets, your not suppose to have them if you need help they want to see you beg. Beg to your church or beg to them but they set the terms.

So here we have Wilma.. someone who desperately needs government programs but votes for the party who will cut them and guess what they did. But here is the thing, Wilma never thought it would hurt HER, it was okay as long as it was brown people in Iraq dieing or young kids from the US. It was okay as long as those two homos she saw while shopping last weekend couldn't marry. It was okay as long as it was other people on Medcaid who were ABUSING it, no NOT like her who HAS to have it.

So inclosing Wilma you reap what you sow.. it just happens to be that this time instead of getting to flush others down the crapper while you sit comfortable you get to enjoy the view down the bowl as well... round and round, enjoy your ride.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:25 AM
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74. Isn't she in Frist's state?
She should write to him. He obviously cares about health care. Look at all the good he did for Terri S. :sarcasm:
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:11 AM
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178. That was my first thought, too!!!!!
It almost makes one wonder if she even knows that her Senator is the Majority Leader AND a "Dr." to boot!

I have a conflicting feelings for this woman. Sympathy and disdain do not sit well with my heart. Her desperation is obvious. Her lack of logical thinking is also obvious, though.

Maybe we could highlight her plea to the President by forwarding it to an appropriate Democratic official! He/she might even want to make a personal visit and turn her into an activist for the cause! At the very least, turn her into a poster child for the cause, and get her some help.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:27 AM
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75. Bush will pray for you, Wilma...
Hope those strong moral values put food on your table.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:52 AM
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81. Oh WAAAAAH!
:nopity:
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:54 AM
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82. Gimme that ol'
time repub religion!
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:57 AM
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83. I'm sorry- but that's heart breaking.
The woman is a horrible position. She's poor and sick in George Bush's America. I feel horrible for her and anyone like her.

Yeah, she believed the propaganda that's pumped into her house 24-7. That doesn't make it any less tragic, as far as I'm concerned.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:59 AM
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84. another stupid amurikan fuck
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 11:00 AM by natrat
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:05 AM
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85. As ye sow,
so shall ye reap, Wilma. I would never say this to someone who voted against ChimpCo but all I can think is: Face and accept the consequences of your own actions, learn from them, and try to do better next time. The choice was yours and you made the wrong one - reflect enough and you might just see the connection between your actions and your situation. This is what happens when you vote against your own real interests. Deal with it.


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realms Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:36 PM
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145. Things I learned at my mother knee
I been on this earth quite a while. I learned this from my mom who was a nurse. You look at someone who is going to die, in their vulnerable fearful soul. Say then the real you isn't going to die. There's the love that keeps this precious moment alive.
Buying and selling=the business of dieing
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:06 AM
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86. Tough shit, Wilma
Take 2 moral values at bedtime and call someone who gives a rat's ass in the morning...
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 01:28 AM
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209. A-Fucking-Men
As someone for who a medical crisis will put me over the edge, I say fuck her, she and her kind built the ship I'm riding on. None of my sympathies will be wasted on insufferable two-time Bush enablers.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:12 AM
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87. There gatta be many many others in the same situation.....
They swallowed the BS of the Pubs/Bush and now suffer the results...
many other peoples across the pages of history did the same...follow an idiot leader into war/death/misery/poverty/and no Cheetos for YOU kid....
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:28 AM
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89. Maybe if they had a feeding tube
Bush would fly in from Crawford and give it his full attention?
Sorry lady--you voted against YOUR interests and MINE.
You reap what you sow...too bad I have to live with the havoc you have brought to our country because you wanted to stick your nose in and interfere in what you had no business interfering in.
So what if gay people get married?
I can decide what is morally right and wrong for my family and I don't need it legislated. We do just fine.
Too bad you didn't take a good dose of "mind your own business" and maybe you wouldn't be in this mess.
You don't have my pity. Now go away and live with the damage you have done.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:44 AM
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90. She was conned. There are lots like her.
Their churches are handing out voting guides, and Bush with his code fundie-speak appealed to their gay-hating city-fearing ways... Well, as my great-grandfather used to say, pain follows stupidity.

The question is now, how do we get over the wedge issues and reach people like Wilma?
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:49 AM
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91. keep it simple with slogans
heres my take on howard's:
"culture of corruption-your with them or against them"
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:11 PM
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102. Amen! That is exactly right. She was conned.
As a Democrat I can't help thinking she deserves much better than she's getting, from Tennessee, the federal government--and from DU.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:01 PM
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124. She doesn't deserve shit from DU, or from any Democrat.
If her benefits were restored by a Democratic administration, she'd just take 'em and go right on bad-mouthing liberals.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:06 PM
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125. So what? Dems are supposed to be the party of laws not men.
Who cares how rotten a citizen is. If she's in need, she's entitled to what everyone else in need is entitled to.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:39 PM
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154. Not conned. I call this wilful ignorance.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:06 PM
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92. Well, Wilma, at least the gay people aren't getting married.
That alone should make you and your husband feel better.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:09 PM
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93. LOL!
Wilma: "What about our own poor and hungry?"
Chimpy: "Go fuck yourself, Wilma. Ken Lay needs a tax cut."
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:29 PM
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96. I have no sympathy for her as well
I mean c'mon, she voted for the idiot twice. He is of high moral values? WTF! She needs to listen to democratic proposals for medical reform.
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Robbie Michaels Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:49 PM
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97. I almost want to feel sorry for Wilma
The progressive in me wants to say we'll fight to protect their rights. However, the intellectual side of me says she'll never thank me for my efforts and will think people like us are the enemy. Oh well.

Wilma, you made your choice. Twice.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:59 PM
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98. everyone hates the Gubmint
until something they want is taken away...
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:03 PM
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99. I feel badly for this woman and her husband.
This is a horrible situation for anyone to find herself in. It seems to be waking her up. I wish everyone could read this and see what "moral values" are really about:




Dear President Bush. This is a first for me, to email an elected official of any caliber. I voted for you twice, because of your strong moral values. I'm begging you to use them now. My husband and I live in Tennessee. My husband has Alzhiemer's and Parkinson's disease, and Diabetes. I also have multiple medical problems. I'm also my husband's caretaker. We have been living on his Social Security check of $769.00, along with the help of Tenn Care and food stamps. At the end of this month we will lose our Tenn Care. We cannot afford to go to the dr., much less pay for our medications. I feel that my own government has let us down, while at the same time trying to support other countries, free other countries, etc. Why can't our State elected officials take a pay cut, or lose some of the perks paid for by tax payers, and keep poor people alive a while longer? What has gong wrong with our priorities? We say "Give us your poor your hungry" etc. What about our own poor and hungry? This is the first time in my 61 years of life I've been so angry and hurt by my own government. Please help us and the many others that are being forced to an early death because we are no longer productive.
Thank you for your time.
Wilma


Adamsville , TN
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:29 PM
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107. Note her subject line, too:
"Please read this email. Please Mr. President."

Her tragedy will certainly be compounded when she discovers that her moral leader won't read this email, despite her pleading, and won't do a damn thing for her. It's hard to discover that your hero has feet of clay.

On this subject - didn't Kerry propose a bridge to Medicare? She writes that she's 61, and this is a difficult age to qualify for affordable medical insurance (if it exists at all) until she's eligible for Medicare. As I remember, Kerry knew of this problem and targeted a specific solution for it. It must have been drowned out by the Swift Boat Liars media frenzy.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. Not to exploit her tragedy, but this is a powerful indictment of
the age of Bush. I wish every American of voting age was able to read it.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:14 PM
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105. did they think benefits would only get cut for...
gays, abortionists, their patients, liberals and immigrants?

BUT NOT THEM!!!!!
sorry didn't mean to yell
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:22 PM
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106. Guess Tenn. is having lots of health-care issues here is another.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:41 PM
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110. Off-topic - more proof that freepers are illiterate.
Genocide of the unborn ! Killers in America!!

To:
President George Bush

July 19, 2005

Genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial,political, or cultural group. The left have killed over 40 million babies in the womb in about 32 years , Hitler would be proud !With the left tho, they will kill any babies they dont discriminate. Picture this they pull the baby out so only the head is in then poke the baby in the back of the head til dead. These are the same people that want to protect the terrorist in getmo, these are the same people (Ted kennedy ECT.)That are so strong on individual rights.. Now i ask this question... How can you be for individual rights and then condone killing of babies? There is a price to pay for murder!!Any abortion is murder!Wheres the babies civil rights. Oh yes the left gets to pick and choose to who have these rights!

Mesa , AZ

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=...

Maybe if Bush won't help Wilma out with her meds, he'll do us all a favor and help this fruitcake out. She seems to need them more.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #110
138. I missed that one.
I go to that site a few times a week.
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:14 PM
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147. LOL
Wilma could ask that guy for help. I'm sure he is a moral Christian that would help the poor and sick.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:44 PM
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111. Be glad WIlma
at least those gays won't get married...

:sarcasm:

RL
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:44 PM
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112. This is called
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 02:47 PM by SemperEadem
taking your ass whippin' for you convictions. That moral thing kinda fades when your stomach is growling or when you need your medication and can't afford it.

This is the first time in my 61 years of life I've been so angry and hurt by my own government.

Well, honey, welcome to the club. I guess it was OK with you while it was happening to minorities. Too bad it caught up with you when you were least able to withstand it, but hey, plenty of folks have been where you've just arrived for decades--most of them didn't vote for your boy.

Word to ya: If you make less than $380,000/yr, you don't get to take part in that sugary confection * pimped you for to get your vote. Deal with it like a woman already. Quit whining. You voted for *, now be glad that gays can't marry, being as moral as you are and all...
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:54 PM
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114. I guess the Clinton national health care idea looks pretty good now,
Eh, Wilma?

You get what you vote for.....
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:00 PM
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116. Dear Wilma, move to Iraq, I've set up universal health care there
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:05 PM
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117. Hey Wilma, "Reap what you sew"
Read it. It's in the bible somewhere, I think. If you can't find it, ask Mr. Bush--he's the "strong moral one."
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:20 PM
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121. She's fucked other people with her vote.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:26 PM by neuvocat
And now she wants sympathy? Fuck that. Dems and liberals have tried to help their fellow americans to see what they were doing to themselves and others. What do they do? They just turn around and smear people and insult them without the slightest bit of gratitude.

She's 61 years old and she was stupid enough to vote for him twice? What a dumb-ass bitch.

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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:27 PM
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126. Wilma is learning a lesson.
She, just like everyone else, has a right to learn from a bad choice. She like most, will not change her bad choices unless there are undesireable consequences for her bad choices.

It is a time of learning for many, many, many who have been duped into voting for this bunch of amoral creeps who line their own pockets with the spoils garnered by the sweat, blood and bodies of the very ones they duped with the marketing pitch.

Wilma is having a real life lesson now.

Do you think we'll get her vote by telling her she deserves it, or by sympathizing with her pain and pointing out there's *is* a way out of it?

And if we lose her vote (and all who she represents), aren't we just as stupid?

These are the easy votes to get now folks, don't chase them off just so you can feel good and get in one last "I told you so".

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:38 PM
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129. she voted stupid and was deluded. But death shouldn't be the price
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 04:38 PM by roguevalley
any of us pay. Its beyond the pale that letters like this even happen, dem majority or no. There once was a real America and that part of me hears her desperation and is saddened. Her poor husband probably doesn't even know what is up and he will die for it. Too bad. We have seen our enemy and he is us.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:20 PM
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139. I have no idea if we will get her vote or not.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 07:22 PM by XanaDUer
And I don't feel good about pretty much anything happening to our country, or from our country right now.

We may gain her vote, or never have it ever. I don't think that makes us "just as stupid." I do know that I am exhausted trying to convince values voters what Dems have to offer, just to hear that we are against Christians, pro killing babies, and the like.

Hopefully, before she and/or her husband die from lack of medical care and medications, they will see the light and vote progressive, Dem, or even moderate Republican.

EDIT: Grammar.
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:57 PM
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140. I didn't mean you personally in my post.
There is a knee jerk reaction in many posts giving the "you deserved it" tone.

And I do sympathize with that reaction, I find myself biting my tongue a lot.

I just wanted to point out that this isn't about reacting with our emotions, but winning votes, one at a time, by gently pulling them in rather than pissing them off even more.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:01 PM
Response to Reply #140
141. Lord knows, I've tried
Universal health care is issue number one with me, and with my group of Democrats who constantly attempt to educate voters about the issues that effect voters' lives.

When I see pathetic letters like the Wilma Letter, I am torn between wanting to strangle her to death, screaming, and crying for what our country has become.

XD
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Pobeka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:04 PM
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142. I share your frustration. You said it well. n/t
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pgh_dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:37 PM
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128. DU activism idea? Take up collection for this women, send it from DU
Besides being a nice thing to do, it would embarrass the living shit out of the GOP.
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #128
149. Exactly!
Donate some cash for food, meds, etc. Send a Bible and some snacks. Let her know that liberals read her email and we replied. Then she'll see who really has morals. I hope her and her husband the best but Republicans are already trying to kick out protesters in Nashville. Sad but at least one family seen how Bush views most Americans.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:40 PM
Response to Reply #128
155. After the "Scamdy" fiasco, I'm not in the mood to do that
I like saying "I told you so" better.

Toodles!
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 03:35 AM
Response to Reply #155
189. Right, let the Freepers take up a collection for her!
Not holding my breath, though.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 06:16 AM
Response to Reply #155
199. Hey if the freepers set up a paypal donation thing for anyone
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 06:21 AM by fujiyama
I'd charge fraud immediately with paypal. Payback for delaying Andy's treatment. What a bunch of fuckin ass holes.

Yeah, frankly the compassionate part of me has taken a big hit in the last few months.

Why should we feel any more sympathy for this poor dumb b^%&, than for college repukes whom a majority of us frequently say should be drafted? Frankly, I say draft all pukes, even those dumb fat ass 50 year old ones that support this war.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 12:14 AM
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156. hmmmm
I wonder if there's some way to get her message to Gore? Doesn't he run a family foundation in TN? It would be kind of satisfying to see a Democrat come to her aid...we know that Bush/Frist won't.

I know she didn't leave a last name, but I imagine from the sound of the place it's a little hollow in the middle of nowhere and there probably aren't many women named Wilma there.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #156
168. It's a small town, population 2000 or so, probably not too hard to
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sshan2525 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:03 PM
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131. Look, I don't know Wilma and I don't care about her particularly
but this "Fuck You" attitude sounds exactly like what I hear right wingers saying about the less fortunate all the time. Christ, I'm the most cynical, miserable SOB around but you guys are seriously cold. We'd be a lot better served by trying to educate these dopes than telling them to fuck off. The old adage about catching flies with honey rather than vinegar seems apt.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #131
132. I never said "fuck you"
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 06:11 PM by XanaDUer
I am fascinated by the mindset of a person who votes against their own lives, as well as the lives of others.

EDIT: Typo
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sshan2525 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:25 PM
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134. Read Thomas Frank's "What's the Matter With Kansas?"
It is a must read if you want to understand the mindset of misguided red staters. BTW, I wasn't referring to you personally with my "fuck you" attitude remark. There was a lot of it in the responses though.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #134
137. No problem, I understand
I will look for that book.

What I cannot get is, when it comes to this kind of life-and-death stuff, WHY in the world do some people vote against their own interests? And, if the life-and-death stuff does not sway them, what hope is there really?

I sort of feel sorry for Wilma and Mr. Wilma, but in another way I am starting to feel sort of irritated with them. That is because I feel that, as long as they are safe and have what they need, they don't really care if any other human has it.

I cannot speak for the Wilma Family, but I am starting to get the sneaking suspicion that, if she felt that it would guarantee that they were kept on an entitlement program, welfare, whatever, they would have no problem with bombing, killing, or harming any other person. Tie this is with the "values" hypocrisy, and I am starting to think that only, pardon the expression, screwing the Wilmas up the butt is the only thing that may wake them up.

And it's sad that the rest of us have to suffer along with them, I guess.
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #134
169. I don't know that I have time to read the book, can you give me
the condensed version? I really don't understand the mindset, other than it seems like "fear and hate" trumps a lot of other stuff.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #131
174. People that stupid can't be "educated".....
Edited on Thu Jul-21-05 10:04 AM by KzooDem
I seriously beleive this myopic dunderhead would STILL oppose gay marriage, legal & safe abortions, stem cell research, etc... even if supporting them meant she would get the help she claims she needs. And as for your adage about catching flies, who needs vinegar OR honey? The Republicans seem to have done a bang-up job atracting her with elephant shit, so let her, and those of her ilk, feast on it.
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Roy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 03:27 AM
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188. And she would vote against National health care
In her letter she had a job and insurance, when she became ill she had to quit working and lost her insurance.

She was perfectly willing to enjoy her medical coverage and vote for those who would deny the same coverage to those less fortunate than she.

Would she have written this letter on behalf of others less fortunate than herself if her insurance coverage was still in effect? I think not. But, any Liberal would.

This is why there are so many fuck you Wilma's in this thread, and I believe Wilma earned each and every one of them, and to those I would like to add my own.

FUCK YOU WILMA!!!!!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:34 PM
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135. Welcome To Reality Bush Voter! Those Words Not Meeting Your Needs?
Too damn bad. Dems Care For People. Bush Cares For Companies. You should have figured that out in some of your 61 years!

I am glad she is bitter and hurt. She really has no right to bitch if you ask me. We are suffering under this asshole. We didn't even vote for him.
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emdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:37 PM
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136. There is no way to leave a message there, is there?.....
Yes, everyone is right - it is people like her who put Bush in office and have no right to complain.

But, I would like to tell her about www.helpingpatients.org -- it might help her with their medications.

emdee
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:16 PM
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148. She's getting what she deserves
And the chickens are coming hooooooooome to roost!!!!

Bawk! Bawk! baaaaawwwwk!!!
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submerged99 Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:23 PM
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150. Wilma is responsible for a lot of other people's suffering
I don't feel sorry for Wilma either because I voted for Kerry because I knew Bush would provide no relief to the people I care about; People who are just as destitute as Wilma but were voting for Kerry in the hope that they would get some help.

People like Wilma made sure that Bush got elected so that he could put more money in the hands of the wealthy and that people like my friends and relatives would continue to struggle.

If Wilma is suffering now then I have no sympathy for her because she, and others like her, made sure the situation stayed the same. At least we tried to change it but we were thwarted by people like her.

She gets no sympathy from me.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 06:05 AM
Response to Reply #150
157. I'm beginning to susupect that, to people like Wilma,
as long as the right people get harmed (gays, fornicators, aliens, etc.) by Bush and his "moral" minions, then it is a-okay with her.

Take away her entitlements, however, and whoa!

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:46 AM
Response to Reply #157
160. Beginning To Suspect?
I think you suspected that a long time ago. And you were right then, and you're right now.

Wilma's ox is being gored and like many so-called Republicans, her vote is NOT based on morals. It's based upon selfishness. It's all about Wilma. And now she's finding that voting against one's own interest wasn't such a good idea after all.
The Professor
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #160
180. Well yeah,
pretty strongly suspected quite a while ago, actually.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:44 AM
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158. Why are you crying about it, Wilma? That's what you voted for.
You and your fellow brain-dead freepers voted to keep gays from getting married, to keep minorities down and unequal, unification of church and state, tax cuts for the rich, among other things.

You didn't vote for health care reform, economic reform, fairness, and compassion. You voted for self-serving narrow-minded socially-exploitive wedge issues that don't effect most people.

It's control. In this case, control by proxy. You look like the controllers, you think like the controllers, thus, you're a controller, too. Control is fun!

One little problem--you didn't think that to the rich imperialists you voted into power, YOU are "those" people to them. It's not fun being treated like "those" people, is it? :(
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 07:49 AM
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161. I usually pity people. But not in this case and not for * supporters.
Not anymore.

They never bothered to think; they voted on party lines or off of commercials designed to sling shit at one another.

Not that the Dems are always much better, mind you, but even they - bought and sold as they are - are still pro-healthcare.

Companies are not inclined to pay for healthcare, leaving it for us. Meanwhile nobody is doing jack shit for that problem.

Have fun.
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:01 AM
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165. sucks to be her. Looks like ms wilma should have researched
dimwits performance in TX


I do not feel sorry for her
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:40 AM
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170. Fuck this woman, and fuck her self-centered stupidity.....
This woman was too damned stupid and too damned blinded by so-called moral values not to take time to pay attention and put two and two together and see that "moral values" mean absolutely NOTHING to Republicans. Fuck her...if she was stupid enough to vote TWICE for him, then sorry....joke's on her. Looks like a bleak day in the ole' holler for Wilma. Tough fucking shit.
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Nigel_Tufnel Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:55 AM
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171. Poor? Sick? Drop Dead - It's "Uniquely American"
i wish i was a good enough person to feel sorry for this woman. since she is seeking help from the person who is responsible for her plight, and who currently has his boot on her neck, i can only assume she's a lost cause.

i feel sorry for those who are aware what is going on, and tried to stop it. since these are the "morals" of the people she voted for, i don't care if she has to live with them...i care for the folks who have tried to correct the situation in the face of fraud, threats and intimidation.
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 09:57 AM
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172. Well Ma'am, This is what happens
when you vote the bread out of your mouth because you think gays are evil and a woman doesn't have a say in her reproductive life.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:04 AM
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175. "Elections have Consequences"
Perhaps the moral value this moran should have looked for was the value not to let a fellow citizen go hungry.

You shit your own bed, now go sleep in it...
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BooScout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:05 AM
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177. Sorry......I have no compassion for fools....n/t
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:23 AM
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179. I'm sure Bush will get right on this...
:eyes:

What an idiot. She'd probably vote for the fascist again if he could run.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 01:36 AM
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181. Well at least she won't have to endure unwed mothers much longer--
or the sight of two men or two women being affectionate in a public place.

That's what concerned her most when she voted for the Chimp.

What's she complaining about?!?
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 01:45 AM
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182. Oh my, the government has let her down?
Hah, me too. But then again, I'm rather accustomed to it by now as a liberal in modern day America.

The problem is that I thought people who voted for Bush didn't want welfare programs and socialized healthcare? Wilma, Bush wants you to suffer with your medical problems and work at Wal-Mart for the rest of your life. He doesn't care about me and he doesn't care about you or your husband. Sorry, but if you want the right wing social "values" then you also get the right wing economic policy as part of the package.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 01:58 AM
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184. Well, well waht do you know?
A little personal pain and now she is hurt... didn't we warn them?

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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 02:15 AM
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185. Well Wilma, better get down on your knees and pray for a solution
Cuz Georgie boy has sent all your aid money overseas to Iraq :evilgrin:
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 04:29 AM
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190. I do feel sorry for them, but ...
like my mama always said - you made your bed, now lay in it.
Worked my butt off trying to explain why people should vote for Kerry but they went for the 'moral' issue. Not like Kerry is immoral, but that's the way they were brainwashed into thinking.

This is a thought I've dreamed about. We Dems would have Kerry and Bush's crowd would be stuck with him. We would have healthcare and a better life. When someone like this needed help, they would say - well I'm sorry but you have to live by Bush's rules. Now, that would instill people to vote for sure. The real two Americas, one for us and one for them. :hippie:
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 05:43 AM
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193. HAHAHAHA I'm soooo tempted
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 05:50 AM by fujiyama
to be Cheney for once and just say "Go fuck yourself" but I won't.

But still, it's difficult to feel even the least bit of sympathy for working class people that voted for Bush this time (I can excuse '00 but four years should have tought them).

Hey, you may have lost your job you dumn !#$#, but hey aren't you so fuckin glad those homos can't marry! :sarcasm:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 11:08 AM
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202. The thing is, she is still not awakening. She is going to the exact
same people for help who took away her benefits and the people for whom she voted. This person most likely will vote GOP in the next election. Yeah I shake my head at people like this too who vote consistently against their own economic interest, but you know what? I think there's MORE OF THEM than us and then I have to shake my head for all of us, because this country is fucked
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 11:11 AM
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203. Yeah. But look on the bight side.
Maybe they will learn how to vote. And why vote for whom.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 11:11 AM
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204. Keep on voting repub, Wilma
Reap what you sow, you ignorant...
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 04:50 PM
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208. People like Wilma are propagandized relentlessly from all sides, so it's
no wonder that they vote against their own interests. What makes it worse is that American culture, especially rural American culture, frowns upon intellectual curiosity.

Wilma and her husband are suffering, but they don't really know why. No one is going to tell them, and they don't have the mindset of exploring the issue on their own.

So what can the Dems do? Certainly not call such voters dumbass rednecks, no matter how tempting that may be.

I really like what Auntie Pinko wrote a few weeks ago, that rural Dems should make themselves very visible as "plain folks" in small towns by participating in all community events as an identifiable group.

They should also put together a platform aimed especially at the working poor, containing simple, easily understood, easily implemented programs that meet specific problems. (Someone in today's New York Times suggested fighting Medicaid fraud by replacing it with a system of public clinics with salaried personnel.)

It doesn't matter that the Dems are out of power now. That's NO EXCUSE not to craft a unified national platform aimed at the forgotten members of society and publicize the hell out of it, by grassroots and stealth means if necessary.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 01:36 AM
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210. she needs to pull herself up by her bootstraps
and get to work.

personal responsibility people!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:08 AM
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211. But gays won't be getting married in your neighborhood, Wilma!
Doesn't that make it all worthwhile?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:13 AM
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212. Wilma you are gett'n just what you voted for....lies and more lies and
bushitler doesn't give a rats ass about your early grave. You lived 65 years to grow up and be a dumb fucking shit! You loose buckwheat Wilma....what more can I say!
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 03:17 AM
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213. my mom was complaining tonight about her health care coverage issues
that will arise when her husband retires, but she will still be too young to get Medicaid, they will have eight years of paying out of pockect with only his SS for her astronomical meds... and she got denied for SS benefits, even though her dr. won't allow her to work.

I couldn't hold back, I said 'you voted for it, twice. you can't complain now.'
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 04:31 AM
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214. so, what happened to "carrying your own weight"?
not such a good moral value now that things get heavy?
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Montauk6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 05:44 AM
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215. "I feel that my own government has let us down"??????????
Wait, I thought that (dangerously stepping into my former right-wing self momentarily) government, by its very nature, lets you down. Isn't this why it needs to be drowned like baby kittens, to semi-quote Grover Norquist?

Somehow, I believe, if we get to the point of 100% privatization, the ones who'll be whining the loudest will be the blue collar GOP'ers.
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lanlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-05 05:57 AM
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216. like the Russian peasants
begging the Tsar for help. Pathetic and useless.
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AnnitaR Donating Member (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 12:11 AM
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217. My parents are DEMS & are in the same situation! Do you care about them?
My parents have voted DEM all of their lives. My 70 year old mother hates Bush with the same intensity as I do. They voted for the Democrat Phil Bredesen in the last Governor's race. They never thought that he would be the one to send them into bankruptcy.

That is their story. I realize that most of you all don't care about Wilma's struggle. Do you care about my parents?

I realize that our governor inherited a state that had been run into the ground by the former republican governor. I also realize that lawsuits tied his hands in his efforts to make sensible changes to the TennCare program. However I cannot for the life of me understand how he can ever justify forcing elderly people living only on their Social Security checks to choose between buying their medicine and putting food on the table.

My parents had no choice but to file bankruptcy to be able to afford to pay for the medicines that they could not do without. My mother's medicines alone run her a little over $500 a month.

Their TennCare coverage ended on July 21st. Bredesen could not even extend the coverage of those on Social Security until January 2006 when the new Medicare Prescription Drug Coverage goes into effect. I can't forgive him for that and he won't have my vote again!

Oh and don't even get me started about that fucking joke that passed off as "Medicare Drug Coverage"! Even after they get on the Medicare plan D they will have to pay a $37 monthly premium and it only covers 75% up till $2250. After that they reach the "Doughnut Hole" in coverage where they will be paying the whole amount of their meds!

My parents are beyond distraught over all of this. Bredesen let them down on all of this. I feel he could have done more.

But the idiots in this country that voted for Bush because of his "moral values" let them down too. I keep remembering that promise that Kerry made during the campaign that the very first thing he would sign when he got into office was an Executive Order allowing US citizens to buy their drugs from Canada. This would have forced the companies to lower prices here and maybe my parents wouldn't be so worried. What the hell kind of "moral value" allows the elderly in this country to choose between food and their medicines?

I am hating this country more and more everyday. It is all just incredibly sad.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:48 AM
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221. Most DUers
would care a great deal about your parents' predicament. The salient point is that they did not vote against their own interests and then whine and complain about the results like Wilma did. Your parents are blameless. It is not their fault that ChimpCo has bankrupted the country to play Napoleon and has throttled the sort of programs that could help them. I have nothing but sympathy for their plight.

The Wilmas of the world present an entirely different situation. They are morally culpable for the things that have befallen them - they made it happen to themselves and are constitutionally incapable of seeing the role that their choices have made in bringing about their situation. Blinded to their own interests by a toxic, corrosive and hate-filled fog of fundie religion, they have voted to cut their own throats. I have no sympathy for the Wilmas.

To the Wilmas, I say this:
"Is it any wonder you've got no power, when you pay a thief to keep it for you?
Is it a surprise that your wine is sour, when you let a liar choose the brew he pours you?" -Bill MacCormick
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:56 AM
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223. bredensen is well i better not say such vulgarities here
no use for bredesen at all -- yes, he got a tough job but no one told him to take it out on the sick and then to puff himself up in the wall street journal with his prattle about responsibility, we can get that kind of crap from bill frist

old people, quadriplegics, transfusion patients who can't work have no way to replace the money and medicine he has taken away

when he's old, i hope someone is standing there to tell him that he can only take 4 medicines

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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:22 AM
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218. kick nt
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-26-05 10:41 AM
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219. she is betrayed on all sides
i find it heart-breaking

sadly the governor of tennessee guilty of this crime is a dem, a wolf in sheep's clothing, the lady may feel that bush and the gop may care, they don't, their policies bankrupted the state of tennessee in the first place

she has nowhere to turn, alzheimer's takes everything, her husband won't know what is happening or where he is, but she is only 61, how is she to eat and house herself after his illness takes everything, forget buying her own medicine

she has nowhere to turn and her only hope for peace is to die while both sides play politics

bredesen is a dino-type trying to get a name for having tough answers

he has no more heart or soul than bush himself

is there no way to rein in phil bredesen's excesses -- we need to police our own better

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