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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:06 AM
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Meet Mrs. Roberts' venture
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:09 AM by SoCalDem
Feminists for Life..

here's some of their "covetable stuff"
http://www.feministsforlife.org /

http://www.feministsforlife.org/covetable_stuff/index.h...


http://www.orlandoreport.com/profiles/Supreme_Court/rob...

found at

Abortion - Roberts has generally avoided weighing in on disputed social issues. Abortion rights groups, however, have pointed out that Roberts tried during his days as a lawyer in the first Bush administration to overturn Roe v. Wade. Roberts did help write a brief that stated "we continue to believe that Roe was wrongly decided and should be overruled." Yet when pressed during his 2003 confirmation hearing for his own views on the matter, Roberts said: "Roe v. Wade is the settled law of the land. ... There's nothing in my personal views that would prevent me from fully and faithfully applying that precedent." Some liberals will argue that he now can vote to overturn that decision if confirmed, but Roberts is not one of those candidates who have been openly hostile to the Roe decision. That said, RedState.org notes that Roberts is married to the Executive Vice President of Feminists for Life, giving us some indication of his own personal views on the matter.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:11 AM
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1. Button from "Feminists" for Life........
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:16 AM
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2. Oh, goody. A raging fanatic.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:21 AM
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3. More more more
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:24 AM by SoCalDem
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:02 AM
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4. So they support their argument that Roberts is pro-choice
by identifying his wife with a pro-choice organization? Oh yeah, I'm stupid enough to believe you. NOT. Well most of the re pukes are stupid enough to believe them.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:04 AM
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5. That organization is ANTI choice
..they glombed onto the "feminist" moniker to "appear" pro choice.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:10 AM
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9. Yep! A form of newspeak. n/t
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:32 AM
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6. Kick! n/t
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Tari Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 08:59 AM
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7. This needs to stay on page 1
Thank you for the information, SoCalDem. Very important for those posting that Mr. Roberts will not mess with Roe. They need to know this.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:09 AM
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8. Here's a snip from their website:
(snip)If we were to imagine a society that instead supports and respects women, we would have to begin with preventing these unplanned pregnancies. Contraceptives fail, and half of all aborting women admit they weren't using them anyway. Thus, preventing unplanned pregnancies will involve a return to sexual responsibility. This means either avoiding sex in situations where a child cannot be welcomed, or being willing to be responsible for lives unintentionally conceived, perhaps by making an adoption plan, entering a marriage, or faithful child support payments. Using contraceptives is no substitute for this responsibility, any more than wearing a safety belt gives one the right to speed. The child is conceived through no fault of her own; it is the height of cruelty to demand the right to shred her in order to continue having sex without commitment.

Second, we need to make continuing a pregnancy and raising a child less of a burden. Most agree that women should play a part in the public life of our society; their talents and abilities are as valuable as men's, and there is no reason to restrict them from the employment sphere. But during the years that her children are young, mother and child usually prefer to be together. If women are to be free to take off these years in the middle of a career, they must have, as above, faithful, responsible men who will support them. Both parents can also benefit from more flexibility in the workplace: allowing parents of school-age children to set their hours to coincide with the school day, for example, or enabling more workers to escape the expenses of office, commute, and childcare by working from home. We must also welcome women back into the workforce when they want to return, accounting their years at home as valuable training in management, education, and negotiating skills.

more....

http://www.feministsforlife.org/FFL_topics/after/rtnwrf...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:13 AM
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10. I lost the link, but she was on a committee on family planning
for Africa..probably they one that eliminated condoms and forbade even mentioning abortion.. Remember? That was *²'s FIRST official act when the 'took' office..
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:15 AM
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11. "Thus, preventing unplanned pregnancies will involve a return"
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 09:15 AM by lukasahero
"to sexual responsibility." And of course, just "who" is to be "responsible"? Yeah, we all know the answer to that one.

What about women who are married to men and choose not to have children? Guess we just shouldn't have sex. F*ck these idiots.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:29 AM
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15. well, since she is apparently infertile I guess she's
free to have as much irresponsible sex as she pleases. Maybe her husband should ponder that one.

I note that the "statistic" about the number of women seeking abortions who weren't using contraception fails to state how many of those women had voluntary intercourse. Are victims of rape and incest supposed to be "responsible", too?
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:46 AM
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25. more of their happy thoughts....
(yeah, corporate america is really supporting this...)

snip
"Second, we need to make continuing a pregnancy and raising a child less of a burden. Most agree that women should play a part in the public life of our society; their talents and abilities are as valuable as men's, and there is no reason to restrict them from the employment sphere. But during the years that her children are young, mother and child usually prefer to be together. If women are to be free to take off these years in the middle of a career, they must have, as above, faithful, responsible men who will support them. Both parents can also benefit from more flexibility in the workplace: allowing parents of school-age children to set their hours to coincide with the school day, for example, or enabling more workers to escape the expenses of office, commute, and childcare by working from home. We must also welcome women back into the workforce when they want to return, accounting their years at home as valuable training in management, education, and negotiating skills."

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:52 AM
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30. Now I see the connection between Patricia Heaton and Schiavo
it was through Feminists For Life.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:12 PM
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68. Half admit they weren't using contraceptives anyway?
Where the f*ck do they get that kind of information? I've never heard that before.

That's the problem with these people. They're always spouting some information as if it's fact, but they never point to a reputable source of statistics to back up their assertions.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:42 PM
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72. translation of the above:
if you get pregnant, and don't have a husband, or the money to raise the kid, don't look to us- We ain't into funding any 'welfare cheats' so you sluts best keep your legs together, and get your asses to work"-

They are NO different- they just hide behind a 'feminest' logo- Abortions won't stop or be lessened by 'laws' but by the knowledge that there IS hope, help, and non-judgemental acceptance of EVERY life brought into the world- financially and otherwise-

like, when hell freezes over.

it isn't an issue of law, is an issue of trust and community.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:17 AM
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12. Where do you see that his wife is involved in this?
I want to send it to a friend at NOW - can you point me to where her name appears?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:26 AM
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13. redstate.org..(They know their people)
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 09:30 AM by SoCalDem
found at

Abortion - Roberts has generally avoided weighing in on disputed social issues. Abortion rights groups, however, have pointed out that Roberts tried during his days as a lawyer in the first Bush administration to overturn Roe v. Wade. Roberts did help write a brief that stated "we continue to believe that Roe was wrongly decided and should be overruled." Yet when pressed during his 2003 confirmation hearing for his own views on the matter, Roberts said: "Roe v. Wade is the settled law of the land. ... There's nothing in my personal views that would prevent me from fully and faithfully applying that precedent." Some liberals will argue that he now can vote to overturn that decision if confirmed, but Roberts is not one of those candidates who have been openly hostile to the Roe decision. That said, RedState.org notes that Roberts is married to the Executive Vice President of Feminists for Life, giving us some indication of his own personal views on the matter.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:28 AM
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14. http://www.redstates.org/ ?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:31 AM
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18. should work now.. I had an extra "s"
:)

This article is not new, so she may no longer BE exec vp, but she's still involved in it.. people do not "quit" something they believe in :)
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:29 AM
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16. Another recomendation....this is important
information. Thanks SocalDem! :yourock:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:29 AM
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17. was it that "feminist for life" that was picutred in the pink 50's dress
and pearls last night? She looked more like a stepford wife than a feminist.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:32 AM
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19. "Feminine-Mist" maybe.. for that extra minty freshness
:)
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:36 AM
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20. I thought the same thing
She looked like she was trying to upstage pickles' normal curtain attire
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:45 AM
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23. This was the subliminal message
:cry:


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Im with Rosey Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:37 AM
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21. I am noticing FEMINIST
in the name of the sight is confusing to some. Any way to make this easier for people? Without reading at the sight, it gives the appearence of REAL feminism.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:42 AM
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22. What's her first name?
We need to get proof that this is legit.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:45 AM
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24. Jane n/t
.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:48 AM
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26. "forbidden by rating check" - my work PC
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:49 AM
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27. Gotta love scare tactics
This list cannot compare to the number of women who have died during illegal abortions and will die during illegal abortions if Roe v wade is overturned.

http://www.feministsforlife.org/weremember/index.htm

In each issue of The American Feminist we commemorate the lives of women lost to legal abortion. Our hearts go out to their families and loved ones.

Mickey Apodaca, 1956-1984
Jane Doe, 1973-1993
Mary Doe (1956-1986) and Jane Roe (1972-1986)
Sharon Hampton, 1969-1996
Donna Heim (1966-86), Liliana Cortez (1964-86), Michelle Thames (1969-87)
Michelle Madden
Sylvia Moore, 1968-1986
Mary Pena, 1941-1984
Dawn Ravenell, 1971-1985
Angela Sanchez, 1967-1994
Jennifer Suddeth, 1965-1982
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:09 AM
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37. Or how about died in childbirth, too? nt
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:50 AM
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28. Searching now... there is a pro-choice Jane Roberts so make sure...
you're looking at the right person.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:51 AM
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29. Search under Jane Sullivan Roberts. That's the name she uses.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 09:55 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
Here's her business bio

http://www.pillsburylaw.com/Go/bios.nsf/professionals/J...



Ms. Roberts, practices with the firms communications and global sourcing groups, concentrating in representing clients in sophisticated transactions involving technology. She has extensive experience in representing clients in the buying and selling of space-related goods and services, including companies involved in the development of multi-billion dollar global and regional satellite systems. Ms. Roberts' experience also includes representing clients in information technology outsourcing transactions; software licensing, development, and maintenance contracts; and professional services arrangements. Prior to 1992, Ms. Roberts practiced litigation in a wide variety of matters before various courts and decision-making bodies, including large international commercial arbitrations involving nuclear power plants before the International Chamber of Commerce. In 1992, Ms. Roberts litigated before Australian courts with then Arthur Robinson & Hedderwicks. While in law school, Ms. Roberts was the Notes Editor for the Law and Policy in International Business.


Education

Georgetown University Law Center, J.D., cum laude, 1984 Brown University, M.S., 1981 Melbourne University, Dip. Ed., 1977 College Of The Holy Cross, A.B., Magna Cum Laude, 1976




Affiliations

Admitted to practice: District of Columbia, Commonwealth of Virginia, State of Minnesota



Admitted in: U.S. Supreme Court, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth and Eleventh Circuits



Member of: American Bar Association District of Columbia Bar Association Virginia Bar Association Society of Satellite Professionals International Professional Development Consortium




External Publications

Unsponsored Financed Entrepreneurial Satellite Ventures: Managing Completion Risk, Satellite Finance, Issue 16, August 12, 1996


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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:58 AM
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34. Thanks
"Jane Sullivan Roberts" +abortion comes up with 2 hits from the FFL site but they're password protected.

http://www.pillsburylaw.com/Go/bios.nsf/professionals/J...

I'll keep looking....


BINGO!!! Google allows you to view the password protected pdf as an html image and it opens

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:1bNI0rSLLr4J:femin...
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:48 AM
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52. Yes, she's listed as Executive VP of Feminists For Life. n/t
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:06 PM
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73. She certainly knows her stuff about satellite litigation
that's an interesting area of law to study
and or practice...
wonder how much she knows about spy/war satellites?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:15 AM
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83. Are you sure that's her name?
I thought it was Serena Joy.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 08:22 AM
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84. Jane is her name
Jane Sullivan Roberts
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:15 AM
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86. It was a joke - a reference to The Handmaid's Tale
The Great Leader's wife, Serena Joy, could not have children of her own and pretty much lorded over the Handmaids - women who had proven that they could have children or women who could potentially provide womb space for children for the rich and powerful.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:56 AM
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33. That one is from redlands, CA, and was born in 1941
OUR Jane has very "light" tracks.. She and John have stayed under the radar :)
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:30 PM
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71. Where did they meet?
Is he from Redlands also?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:50 PM
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74. The redlands Roberts is an older woman...NOT his wife
Roberts the authore IS a feminist.. I bet the WH is having a chuckle over the confusion that "googlers" everywhere are experiencing..

Jane Roebrts, published author/civil rights advocate and feminist...

and then there's OUR Jane Roberts.."pretend" feminist who is ANTI choice and married to the would-be Supreme-o.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:52 PM
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76. right....I've met Jane Roberts...great person
not Jane Sullivan Roberts.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:55 AM
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31. wow.
predictable, but it still amazes me what you find under these conservative's rocks.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:56 AM
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32. Opinion of a "pro life feminist"

http://www.gargaro.com/lifefem.html

By: Carolyn C. Gargaro
Re-printed in Problems of Death: Opposing Viewpoints Series, Greenhaven Press

"Feminist" is a tricky term to use today - many women who are independent, support equal opportunity, and fight against injustices such as rape and abuse would consider themselves feminists. However, today's definition of "feminism" as defined by groups such as NOW, reject women who do not fit into their specific and radical idea of feminism. For instance:

Sue Purrington, exec. dir. of NOW's Chicago chapter, said the following regarding Feminists For Life: "Either they misunderstand the whole issue of feminism, or they are using it for purposes I disagree with. Their philosophy is irrelevant."
Patricia Ireland on Feminists For Life:: "Their only agenda is antiabortion work."

Chicago Tribune 11/12/89
In fact, Feminists for Life of America was founded by two women who were kicked out of NOW due to their pro-life views. A pro-life woman most often is told that she is not, and cannot be, a feminist. I myself have been told such a thing.

True feminism, as I believe, condemns those who support oppression - whether the oppression be against women, men, minorities, or the unborn. Modern feminism has lost sight of the true meaning of feminism in the regards that modern feminism does not acknowledge the value of women who choose to stay home rather than work in the "business" world, or the value of a child if it is in the mother's womb.

Pro-life feminists respect ALL human life, and they do not place their morality on people - including the unborn - by deciding who should live and who should die. Some people call pro-life feminists "anti-choice" - well, pro-life feminists *are* anti-choice, when it comes to abortion. They are also anti-choice when it comes to rape or the abuse of women. No one should have the "choice" to rape or abuse women either. No one should have the "choice" to beat a woman or not.

continued
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 01:20 PM
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70. Ireland on Feminists For Life:: "Their only agenda is antiabortion work."
from website.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:00 AM
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35. Here's your proof
President Rosemary Oelrich Bottcher Executive Vice President Jane Sullivan Roberts Public Policy Vice President Jeanne Pryor

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:1bNI0rSLLr4J:femin...

Somebody needs to save this quick... it is letting me in without requiring a password. Somebody messed up!
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:22 AM
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42. good catch
anyone tell Stephanie or Randi about this connection
yet?
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:33 AM
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46. Just emailed Stephanie
Can anybody call? Only 30 minutes left in the show

Pantaloon!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:06 AM
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36. Clarence Thomas '71..Jane '76.. Holy Cross..
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 10:09 AM by SoCalDem
A Supreme Celebration

The Honorable Clarence Thomas 71
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:LWWNrZODJlcJ:www.h...

By Elizabeth T. Walker

Nearly 75 years have passed since architect Cass Gilbert designed a building of dignity and importance to serve as the permanent home to the United States Supreme Court. The imposing neoclassical structure that resulted first opened its six-and-a-half ton bronze doors in 1935, promising equal justice under law to all who passed through the 16 columns that define its main entrance. Today the venerable edifice stands as the final arbiter of the law, the protector of our constitutional liberties and, it seems, a great place to throw a party.

Nearly 200 Holy Cross alumni, parents and friends in the Washington, D.C., area learned that firsthand when, on Nov. 22, they gathered for an extraordinary evening set within the soaring spaces of the magnificent U.S. Supreme Court Building. As guests of Justice Clarence Thomas 71, the distinguished crowd, including five federal judges, celebrated the $175-million Lift High the Cross Campaign, launched publicly a year ago. As featured speaker, Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. 62, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and internationally known for taking the lead in HIV/AIDS funding and research, shared his perspective on the importance of the Jesuit experience at Holy Cross.

Security was tight at the after-hours event. Each guest was screened at the buildings entrances before ascending to the Great Hall, the grand corridor leading to the Courtroom. Dwarfed by massive marble columns, fascinated by intricate friezes and awed by the Halls coffered ceiling more than 40 feet above, the partygoers walked the red carpet (literally) to join an overflow crowd for cocktails in a conference room just beyond the highest court. Justice Thomas, Dr. Fauci, current Holy Cross President Michael McFarland, S.J., and President Emeritus John Brooks, S.J.,49, as well as Board and Campaign chairs, Michael Collins, M.D., 77 and Jack Rehm 54, respectively, attracted many well-wishers. Most of the guests stopped before dinner to view the Courtroom from its gated doorway.

Called to dinner by the Supreme Court bell, the black-tie crowd was seated at nearly two dozen tables placed on the high-gloss marble floor of the Great Hall. Dinner was served within sight of the Courtroom, with its raised bench and nine out-sized, high-backed, brown leather chairs, where Justice Thomas and the nations other top jurists hear oral arguments.

Following opening remarks from Steve Urbanczyk 71, co-chair of both the dinner and regional campaign committees with Jane Sullivan Roberts 76, Justice Thomas welcomed the celebrants to your Supreme Court. He talked about the important and deep friendships he made during his four years on the Hillrelationships that continue to this day. He said that he gained a critical skill at Holy Cross: learning how to think, which helped prepare him for his role as a Supreme Court Justice. Each day, the job requires him to think my way to the truth. The crowd gave Justice Thomas a standing ovation.

Featured speaker Anthony Fauci 62 observed that his Jesuit educational experiences created in him a thirst for knowledge that has continued over four decades, making him a perpetual student. He added that, such students almost never get bored, constantly try to improve themselves and develop a chronic sense of low-grade anxiety and a nagging feeling of inadequacy, which he describes to students and postdoctoral fellows at the National Institutes of Health as the curse of the Jesuits.

Thus, for me, the curse of the Jesuits has been a wonderful curse, since it has energized and pushed me over the years to pursue directions of research and tackle problems that I might not have, had I not been driven by my very special training and experiences.

Following a standing ovation for Fauci, the guests received a benediction from Monsignor Peter Vaghi 70, sang the Alma Mater, then slowly retraced their steps along the marble corridor to descend from the Great Halland the spectacular evening in a place of dignity and importance came to a close.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:32 PM
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69. cozy....wonder if Jane's shared a Coke or movie with Clarence?
nice to have federal judge pals in high places for a fundraiser
for a Catholic church...

snip

Nearly 200 Holy Cross alumni, parents and friends in the Washington, D.C., area learned that firsthand when, on Nov. 22, they gathered for an extraordinary evening set within the soaring spaces of the magnificent U.S. Supreme Court Building. As guests of Justice Clarence Thomas 71, the distinguished crowd, including five federal judges, celebrated the $175-million Lift High the Cross Campaign
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:13 AM
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38. I'm not finding anything that supports this claim
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 10:17 AM by MsTryska
from redstate.org.



the VP of Feminists for Life is Sally Winn.


Jane Sullivan Roberts doesn't show up anywhere.


of course FFL.org doesn't delve to deeply into who/what it is - but i'm willign to bet it's more astroturf.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:32 AM
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45. See my post... #35
:kick:
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:46 AM
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50. saw it thanks......
did soem googling found this write-up on the organization:

http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/3716/FFLApaper.html


if it weren't for them being adamantly anti-abortion - i would be hard-pressed to find flaws with their rationale, personally.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:13 AM
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39. Roberts and his wife had kids very late in life.
I wonder how that happened.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:18 AM
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41. they are adopted.
cute blond kids...hard to get these days.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:38 AM
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47. Reminds me of The Handmaid's Tale.
n/t
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:39 AM
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48. yeah...and those blond ones are hard to find...
wonder if they adopted using a Christian adoption
agency?
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:50 AM
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53. They had to have rejected a lot of non-white, non-blond children.
Also, older and disabled children.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:53 AM
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56. That form must have been very specific
those adoptions were probably very expensive...
through a Christian adoption group?
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:54 AM
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57. Is Ms. Roberts working as a lawyer or home with the children?
Just interested in the info...where she works, worked etc.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:15 AM
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62. See my post #29. She works. n/t
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:33 AM
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64. So, nannygate in this one? nt
Bet those Christian conservatives don't like
the fact she's still working outside the house.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:58 AM
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59. I wonder how much those children cost.
n/t
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:16 AM
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63. Maybe they are "snowflake" children??? n/t
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:35 PM
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81. Maybe they adopted them from Ireland--babies of a woman who
wasn't allowed an abortion and was too poor to raise kids. :shrug:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:56 AM
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58. I keep thinking about that too. n/t
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:17 AM
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87. Me too. When I read the OP, I thought immediately of Serena Joy
Barren but oh-so-concerned with the wombs of other women who were pretty much forced to become impregnated with the sperm of the powerful.

What a scary book that was. I can see it happening, though. I truly can.
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:47 AM
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51. adoption.
what's striking is that they were able to find such cute tow-headed picture perfect children.


i guess when your rich, powerful and influential, these things come easy.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:52 AM
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55. The mom doesn't look happy, though.
And, seriously, I'm not a disciplinarian but I wouldn't let my child behave like that in front of the President!
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:04 AM
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60. i actually missed most of it....
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 11:05 AM by MsTryska
to be honest - i forgot it was on last night - so i didn't see how the children behaved.


the only shot i saw was of her looking rather awkward and holding the kids close to her. maybe she's more used to the nanny taking care of them.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:13 AM
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61. very late at night for kids that age
by that time of day, they're overtired and they're either gonna zoom around or cry. Could have been worse. Or better, depending on one's point of view. ;-)
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:18 AM
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40. news flash
"feminists for life" has nothing to do with women.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:23 AM
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43. we understand that it's an anti-abortion group....
but you have to explain more if you
want to get beyond that point.
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:44 AM
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49. the one billionth effort to CONTROL
women.

They might as well just get in line.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:50 AM
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54. controlling women is their goal
but the org is clearly run by women, most
likely with the strong backing of conservative men.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:41 AM
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65. wanna join my new group...
Environmentalist for Mining in Yellowstone
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:57 PM
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77. exactly.
you got that right!

Ivy League School testing for Illiteracy

Homeland Security Bomb Building Company

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:20 AM
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89. or howabout Progress for America....
wankers.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 10:27 AM
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44. "a good heart"...code for Christian
now, determining what kind of Christian would
be helpful...Dominionist or Opus Dei like Scalia?
Rapturist like Bush? Where does he stand on gay
civil rights?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 11:57 PM
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82. Gays should have no rights.. That's where he stands
Closeted gays who are "helpful" to republican careers are ok, but when they dare to come out, they are tossed aside after an initial stance of support..

watch for Ricky santorum's aide to just drift away after a respectable amount of time :)
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 11:19 AM
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88. how would he
describe Cheney i wonder???? it doesn't fit either way-

Robert's doesn't like 'civil rights'- He is in favor of CORPORATE rights over individual rights-
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:00 PM
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66. This is an oxymoron!
Not that feminists don't believe in life, they just don't believe in controlling other women's bodies in the guise of protecting life. Prolifers are hypocrites, supporting life doesn't end at birth. Feminist Pro-lifers? Sorry, these two terms together are incompatible and phony. This is nothing more than an anti-women front group for zealots. No wonder some of the christian groups are extremely happy with the choice of Roberts. Roberts and his wife are beginning to come across as political hacks with an underlying agenda.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 12:07 PM
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67. Pretty hacks though....
With the kind of resume you'd want if
you were going into politics or as a foreign
plant.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 05:52 PM
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75. Clear-skies...healthy forests...compassionate conservative
the whole republican party is an oxymoron :eyes:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:00 PM
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78. recommended!!!
This has to be told and come out.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:35 PM
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79. I posted similar last night,
Props to Sydnie :^ )

Sydnie (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-19-05 10:08 PM
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41. You can see Feminists for Life cached pages here
<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Feminists+for+L... >

They are quite involved in what appears to be the overturning of Roe V Wade.

Also Wikipedia - <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminists_for_Life >
They actually quote Alice Paul and others on their site as a supporter of their cause. Somehow, I am not buying that.

Now THAT's grassroots!


<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:40 PM
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80. Missed that one.. I didn't get home til after 11, and
finally watched that 'dog & pony' show of *²'s after Letterman..

Google is great :) (for now at least)
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-21-05 10:25 AM
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85. LA Times front page on Jane's anti-abortion views today
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/la-...

Wife of Nominee Holds Strong Antiabortion Views
By Richard A. Serrano
Times Staff Writer

July 21, 2005

WASHINGTON While Supreme Court nominee John G. Roberts Jr.'s views on abortion triggered intense debate on Capitol Hill on Wednesday, there is no mistaking where his wife stands: Jane Sullivan Roberts, a lawyer, is ardently against abortion.

A Roman Catholic like her husband, Jane Roberts has been deeply involved in the antiabortion movement. She provides her name, money and professional advice to a small Washington organization Feminists for Life of America that offers counseling and educational programs. The group has filed legal briefs before the high court challenging the constitutionality of abortion.

A spouse's views normally are not considered relevant in weighing someone's job suitability. But abortion is likely to figure prominently in the Senate debate over John Roberts' nomination. And with his position on the issue unclear, abortion rights supporters expressed concern Wednesday that his wife's views might suggest he also embraced efforts to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

"It's unclear how all this will affect her husband," said Jennifer Palmieri, a spokeswoman with the Center for American Progress, a liberal public policy group. "It's possible that he would have a different view than her. It's just that in the absence of information about this guy, people are looking at her and trying to read the tea leaves."

continued
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