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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:09 AM
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"Fighters" post your plans to block the SCOTUS appointment
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 02:31 AM by linazelle
right here.

What do YOU plan to do?

What CAN YOU do?

Most importantly, what WILL YOU DO?
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:13 AM
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1. May I ask, what the point of this query is?
Does it matter.

I don't understand why 'the fighters' can't be allowed to engage in their fight--even if some disagree with their choice to do so.

Is that not democracy in essence?
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:22 AM
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2. The point of the query is to find out how the fight will take place.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 02:25 AM by linazelle
What fight are you referring to when you talk about allowing people to engage in their fight?

If you are talking about people fighting here on the DU boards, I am not.

I want to know how those who feel so strongly that they say they will fight this, plan to do so.

I want to know if there is a way to fight at all.
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Peabody409 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:23 AM
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3. Get really drunk
And assume the fetal position.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:27 AM
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Peabody409 Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:35 AM
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8. Pepperoni and sausage.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:37 AM
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:46 AM
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20. That's fighting?
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:28 AM
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5. Sign the petitons
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 02:40 AM by madeline_con
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:39 AM
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11. Thank you for the links, madeline_con--
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 02:48 AM by bliss_eternal

:hi:

edited to delete information already given...

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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:32 AM
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6. E-mail ALL key legislators now. CALL their offices tomorrow...
Contact key legislators in your state, and outside of it. Hell, flood the GOP legislators with calls and e-mails, too.

Tell them that Roberts is totally unacceptable, and that you'll insist on the filibuster.

Donate at least $50 to NARAL's emergency-ask fund.

That is certainly what I intend to do, for starters.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:34 AM
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7. Has this been done before to block a SCOTUS appointment?
Did it work?
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:37 AM
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10. deleted by poster
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 02:41 AM by bliss_eternal
self delete
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:42 AM
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13. Yes it matters if it works or not--to me
I want to know what can be done, and if I need to ask questions to find out more, I will.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:58 AM
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14. Of course you are entitled to do so.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:02 AM by bliss_eternal
I am not trying to imply that you aren't. I'm sorry if it seems that way.

Ultimately, how can ANYONE know in advance how something will work?

Did the suffragists KNOW if their actions would work? Did they have (or even need) a guarantee?

Do you think that Martin Luther King ultimately thought that marching, getting hosed, arrested, etc. would eventually result in what we now know as the civil rights movement? Do you think that anyone knew how that would turn out? What affect it would have?

I'm sure at the time, it looked bleak and as if the odds were AGAINST them--but they did it anyway. Why? Because they wanted their voices to be heard. They wanted to try--they were tired of living with injustice and wanted to fight, no matter how things came out in the end.

We can all sit here and make up a thousand pie charts about the odds of how this or that may or may not work. No one knows for sure what anything will ultimately do to affect change, do they?

Good for you for asking your questions.

I just hope you will choose to fight because you want to and because you believe these are issues worth fighting for--not because you have some 'guarantee' that it will make a difference.

But continue to ask for some sort of evidence if it makes you feel better about taking action one way or the other...it is your right to do so.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:06 AM
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15. More often than not, past actions of the same kind bear the same
or similar fruit.

If there is history to draw upon, then it should be examined. That's how most decisions are made.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:14 AM
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16. Again, what is your point?
I am sincerely not trying to be antagonistic toward you or your questions.

But if I am understanding you correctly, is it more appropriate to sit around and examine whether or not a course of action will work or not?

If I am correct in this assertion, then you again have the right to do so.

Excuse me while I actually go join the fight, and make an effort to have my voice heard--whether it makes any difference or not. Activism is about action--not questioning people's motives or figuring out if something is worthwhile.

If you have to ask you probably don't want to participate. That's ok. Not everyone is meant to. But. please don't knock those of us that choose to actually do something--that choose to take the risk for the good of ourselves and those that come after us.

Life is risk, activism is risk. There are no guarantees.

Thankfully, MLK didn't look at history to define his future. Nor did the suffragists. If either of them did a HUGE sector of the population still wouldn't be allowed to vote. I choose to use the vote they fought for and sign petitions, write letters, make phonecalls, knock on doors, protest, and whatever else comes along that needs some effort.

Again, I mean no offense here.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:17 AM
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17. I don't seem to be able to explain my "point" after responding several
times, to you.

Maybe it would be a good idea to drop this discussion so you can go fight.

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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:26 AM
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18. Just sounds like you want to belittle those that want to
take up this cause.

It seems like you want us to prove to you that it is worth it to make an effort.

No one can do that for you.

You either care or you don't.

So maybe it is you who should leave us that do care to 'fight' and you should go discuss how pointless it is with those that share your perspective.

:)

btw, I got it--I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I also tried to be kind and not make assumptions. Your un-veiled attempt to poke holes in our efforts wasn't lost on me.

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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:34 AM
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19. There is nothing in my post that pokes fun at or belittles anyone.
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:53 AM by linazelle
On the other hand, that is what you seem to be TRYING to do to me.

If you don't like what I, or anybody else here has to say, then it's you who may want to consider the option you posed to me--leaving.

I'm here to stay.

DU is pretty much a free-speech zone, and I will continue to speak freely--here and elsewhere.

BTW. Who are "we" and "us" that you keep referring to and where are they?
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:52 AM
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21. Oh good for you! You've decided to join us!
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:56 AM by bliss_eternal
You are going to fight the Supreme Court Nom along with us?
That's great.

Sorry, but looking at my text, I never said you poked fun, I apologize for the misunderstanding. I did say I felt you were attempting to belittle some of us, that was wrong of me. Apparently my theory was completely off.

You just started this thread to find out how you could help us with our fight. I jumped to an inappropriate conclusion, that was wrong of me.

So glad you are willing to roll up your sleeves and help us out. Did you follow the links provided in the other posts to sign the petitions. That would be a HUGE help!

So nice to be on the same Team! :)
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:55 AM
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22. See post #2.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:58 AM
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23. See posts 5 and 6...
Hope that helps!

:hi:
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:59 AM
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24. deleted
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 04:10 AM by linazelle
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:11 AM
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25. I'm sorry--again what is your point?
:shrug:

Or do you even have one?

I'm going to go with that--you don't have one.

Enjoy the rest of your thread--maybe someone will be as naive as me and actually try to engage you in a conversation.





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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 04:12 AM
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26. deleted--response not merited
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 04:35 AM by linazelle
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:00 PM
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31. Too late, I already saw what you originally said.
It comes through loud and clear from what you say and what you don't say.

I'm only sorry I wasted so much of my time and energy trying to engage you in a conversation. The tone of your original question shows EXACTLY what your intent was here. I don't have to 'read minds.' Deleting your posts AFTER the fact doesn't change a thing.

Or did you regret what you said after you said it?

Don't bother answering this question. Let me be clear in that it is rhetorical, and it does not require a response.


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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 07:06 PM
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32. Why do you continue to edit your posts after the fact?
'We' and 'us' are words that bother you, don't they?

That's your problem, not mine. My use of words has little to do with your original intent here.

No matter how many times you come back here and edit your posts, YOUR intent is clear.

You don't like that some people on these boards want to oppose the Supreme Court nomination. Again, your problem--and you are entitled to it.

Bored now...


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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:44 PM
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28. bingo
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:45 PM by noiretblu
OP: how will you fight?
Posters: petitions, calls, demonstrations, etc.
OP: has it worked in the past?
Posters: :wtf: you asked for hows...you got 'em.

:wtf: indeed.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:39 PM
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27. I Guess We Should Not Even Try. You MUST Be Right...
Yeah Right.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 02:40 AM
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12. moveon's petition to oppose Robert's
http://political.moveon.org/roberts/?id=5817-3619023-OT...

Oppose John Roberts' Supreme Court Nomination

In nominating John Roberts, the president has chosen a right wing corporate lawyer and ideologue for the nation's highest court instead of a judge who would protect the rights of the American people. Working for mining companies, Roberts opposed clean air rules and worked to help coal companies strip-mine mountaintops. He worked with Ken Starr (yes, that Ken Starr), and tried to keep Congress from defending the Voting Rights Act. He wrote that Roe v. Wade should be "overruled," and as a lawyer argued (and won) the case that stopped some doctors from even discussing abortion. That's why we believe: "The Senate must not appoint right-wing corporate lawyer John Roberts to the Supreme Court."

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:48 PM
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29. I've been fighting all of their
appellate appointments through letters to reps and contributing to the People For The American Way and by spreading the word. I will fight this one no differently.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:49 PM
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30. This site is a font of resources for activism
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 03:54 PM by bigtree
Plaster Senators with any and every reason to oppose this man. Try not to be a pest, but don't be afraid to be relentless. You might be surprised how helpful the aide who happens to answer the phone can be. Sometimes you get a senior staffer. Advocate! Advocate! Advocate!

I usually start on this page and work my way down:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Here is the ultimate place for action:

DU Activist Headquarters
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