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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:11 PM
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Kerry will call for Senate hearings on Rove this week.
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 01:13 PM by blm
From Kerry's email:

How many more times will Karl Rove make President Bush eat his words and shred his credibility before Karl Rove does the honorable thing and leaves the White House?

Yesterday the President furiously backpedaled from his promise to fire anyone involved in leaking the identity of a covert CIA agent to the press. Now that it's known that Rove and Vice President Cheney's Chief of Staff Lewis Libby were involved, the President has lowered the bar and now says he'll only fire someone who is convicted of a crime.

President Bush is setting a terrible standard of leadership in the White House by protecting insubordinate aides who refused to come forward when the President demanded to know who in his administration leaked Valerie Plame's identity -- and he's sending a disturbing message about our national security.

The President should not wait to find out whether Rove is convicted in the end for his leak. Either Rove lied to the President about this matter of national security, which means he should be fired immediately, or the President is not being straight with the American people about his own involvement in this case.

With all the dissembling coming out of the White House, it's clear that the only way the American people can get to the bottom of this is through full Congressional hearings. I will call for hearings this week -- and you can strengthen this call by adding your name to our petition today:

http://www.johnkerry.com/firerove

With both the House and Senate in Republican hands it will be difficult to force Congressional hearings on the Bush White House. Having as many statements as possible from people in every state will help my colleagues and me show that this is what America wants. According to a poll released yesterday by ABC News, 75% of Americans believe that Karl Rove should be fired if he leaked classified information.

More than 300,000 people have signed on so far -- help us double our numbers by forwarding this email to your friends asking them to sign:

http://www.johnkerry.com/firerove

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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:12 PM
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1. The letter says this week.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:14 PM
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2. Brain freeze,
Actually, brain overload. I'm working on something big behind the scenes and my mind has been racing.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:15 PM
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4. Thanks for posting it, anyway
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:21 PM
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7. Care to share? n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:23 PM
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9. Soon. It's in phase 1 now.
Stuck waiting for a call back.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:38 PM
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19. Anticipation.
Thanks, will look forward to ??? :bounce:

Ah, patience is a virgin, but I am not! :evilgrin:
:hi:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:34 PM
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45. I am quite happy to hear that *you* have a project underway
I give you all of the credit for getting the DSM into the media. It was stalled in the internets until your work got CSPAN to stop denying the validity of the DSMs and they then began to cover it. From there the story broke.

:toast:
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:14 PM
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3. I hope he follows through this time.
Please, Kerry, no more disappointments.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:22 PM
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8. He followed through on DSM. Urge your senators to get on board with the
task to FINISH the investigation into Iraq intel that was only half completed by the Intel Committee and point to DSM as key evidence in that case, as per Kerry's DSM letter to the committee.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:53 PM
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15. We have urged our Senators to sign. We want Kerry to publically urge them.
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 02:54 PM by Dr Fate
The only reason we even know Kerry wrote a letter is because we read it on DU.

At the least he could have urged people to contact Senators in one of his emails, like he does with other issues.

No wonder no one besides internet Liberals are calling their Senators to ask them to support the DSM investigation- no one will go on TV and talk about it, so no one KNOWS about it.

I hope this new carrot he is dangling to the base involves more than a letter that no one will hear about.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:03 PM
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21. You're right. We're doomed. Doomed I tell you.
I guess I'll stop trying to call my Senators. It won't do any good without publicity. I'll just sit here and beat my tits about something I can't control, instead of doing something about something I can control.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:59 PM
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32. heh.....you may not know this, LC....
but, Doc pushes his point as a serious Dem activist. He really means it for the betterment of the party. Not unlike the way we hammer on certain matters...consistently tenacious. I'm like that about the media, for instance, repetitive to make sure the point is never lost.

Doc really just wants all our Dems to come out fighting every step of the way, because HE does. His record of being a stand up Dem goes back a long way on this board.

You're both great warriors in my book.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:23 PM
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33. I know, I know, I just get frustrated
It's negative instead of positive, is all. He's got a case of the "yeah, buts".
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 09:24 AM
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43. I know....
Edited on Wed Jul-20-05 09:29 AM by blm
but.....there are people who pull that crap to drag Kerry through the mud, and then there is Doc, who would be among the first to stand by Kerry's side against a GOP onslaught.

Those of us who've been at this forum a few years have a strong impression of a very earnest Democrat.

My guess....you two will end up battling as buddies.....you're too much alike not to be....both of you are very earnest and loyal. Andy and I did that for over a year. We battled and smooched as a matter of course.

heh
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navvet Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:15 PM
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5. signed as requested
:hi: :dem:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:18 PM
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6. Rove hearings in the Senate. DSM hearing in the House.
Evidence of additional war crimes on Friday (along with confirmation of Rummy's approval). Possible criminal indictments.

Are the walls moving in on these awful creatures?

Ideally, indictments would come out. Then, impeachment hearing or a resignation.
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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 01:29 PM
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10. Why Friday?
I'm confused why we want to hit the weekend news cycle instead of the Monday news cycle? Is there something about the Sunday shows that makes this preferable?

It just seems Friday is a poor choice, you know, water cooler talk and all?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:15 PM
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11. It's tricky. You want it to be fresh for weekend political shows, but, you
can't determine what they're going to pick up these days.

It's not like the past where you could count on the important stories getting coverage. Now it's more like - how are they going to cover up the important stories so they can keep protecting Bush.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:49 PM
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14. Kerry could go directly on the interview & debate shows and discuss it.
Then they would have to at least show him talking about it, unless they actually censor soundbytes he says.

I agree that Friday is the worse day to "release" information.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:05 PM
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16. I hope he does. I hope the news shows give him the time and respect.
My bet is that they will be pushing for Judiciary Committee Senators for the bookings because of the SC nomination.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:32 PM
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36. In fact
Keith Olberman had it on his show tonight. I think his show is shown again at mignight. (est) I have to rewatch it because I forget exactly what part of the letter he highlighted.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:18 PM
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44. I saw that. Keith didn't highlight the was Bush involved himself part.
Too bad. Seems some folks missed its significance.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:41 PM
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12. JK: Bush is setting a terrible standard of leadership in the White House
,
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 02:46 PM
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13. I've signed this like I sign everything he sends me.
I'll be paying attention as always.

My advice is for him to take this on network & cable TV shows for maximum exposure & support. I hope this will involve more than a well written letter.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:28 PM
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17. I've thought about this, Doc, and I think there is a reason why Kerry is
urging through behind the scenes more than in front of cameras, and why he probably wishes that other senators would take up the slack....

No secret that many in the intel community lined up behind Kerry last year. They really expected him to take office (they should've spent time exposing the voting machines). They assumed all of the important info would come out after Kerry took office, because they knew he tried to get plenty reBCCI declassified for public consumption and was fought bitterly. But, they know his track record is to get as much out as possible to the public.

After the election, Bush had Goss purge those agents suspected of supporting Kerry.

In January, Kerry went to England to meet with his counterparts and allies there to discuss a stronger opposition front. I think they came up with a roundabout way to get the info out.....leak the DSM and other memos to one credible journalist.

The memos were given to the reporter in lat April, published in early May. Kerry waits for press to take them up....and waits...and waits....and then finally insults the media into looking more closely at the minutes.

Yes, he's done more than any other senator, but, I don't think he wants to be the one out in the front banging the drums, because I think he was part of the original decision in England to leak the memos.

I don't believe in coincidences or that everything is happening in a vacuum. I think the intel plan to defeat the BFEE is still operating and that key players aren't always going to be the ones in front of the cameras.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:37 PM
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18. Kerry's letter raises talk of BUSH's INVOLVEMENT!
I think this is significant language since the corporate media hasn't event raised the possibility that Bush's closest advisor might have discussed this illegal act with him.

""The president should not wait to find out whether Rove is convicted in the end for his leak. Either Rove lied to the president about this matter of national security, which means he should be fired immediately, or the president is not being straight with the American people about his own involvement,"
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 03:47 PM
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20. Kerry would never say that without good reason. Remember, he and Wilson
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 03:59 PM by blm
have been aligned for a few years and it's a good bet that Kerry knows what Wilson knows, including what is yet to be revealed to the public.


You could start a thread on this bit of info, since few have picked up on its significance. I think most people only glance at statements instead of reading them through and miss important points.
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:16 PM
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22. Signed and kick. n/t
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Clintmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:22 PM
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23. I got his e-mail too...
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 04:23 PM by Clintmax
Signed, and I think * probably IS involved. First he says he will fire anyone in his administration who leaked that information. NOW, he says he will only fire them if they are CONVICTED of it! How typical of the little freak.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:52 PM
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24. Yeah...you picked up on a very significant point.
Kerry must know more via his closenesss with Wilson.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 04:58 PM
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25. I'm hopeful for a future Senate debate: "Rove, firing squad or hanging?"
I have been spitting nails over this treason thing for 2 years now, and considering the conversation I had with a Republican friend this morning, the concept of traitors in the White House is making a lot of people angry on both sides of the aisle.

I told her about the bill to strip Rove of security clearance, how the vote was split right down party lines. I said we have our theme for the 2006 election: Republicans, soft on treason. She thought it was a great idea.

BTW, you can guess that she voted for Kerry :)

My note on the petition: Fire Rove? That's too good for him. I suggest the firing squad, considering that he's a traitor. But then, I'm just someone who respects those who are putting their lives on the line to protect us, and I believe that when they are betrayed, it is the most insidious of betrayals because it affects us all.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:24 PM
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28. True. Or an injection of sodium pentathol FIRST with a camera rolling
and THEN make him watch the tape played back in a room with the 9-11 families and Gold Star families.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:15 PM
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26. Unless he forgets to do it.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 05:26 PM
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27. he should do this right away-- no need to wait n/t
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:30 PM
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29. .
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:32 PM
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30. .
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:34 PM
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31. .
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:25 PM
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34. the story today about this on yahoo was pretty good
kerry got a shot in against bush at the end of it

keep this pressure up
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jayctravis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:26 PM
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35. How nice to read the word "dissemble" used correctly! (n/t)
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:36 PM
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37. Oh good! They can rubber stamp Rove as the next candidate for sainthood.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:47 PM
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38. How awful is this?
My July has been horrendous. Wrapping up my dissertation while hosting a Spanish exchange student. I can't remember if I signed or not! Would double signing be an unforgivable faux pas?
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Coloradan4Truth Donating Member (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:18 PM
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41. I do this all the time...
forget if I've already signed, that is.

I usually just hope that they have the database they store the signatures in cross-check and delete if there are duplicate sigs.

Maybe I assume too much, though.

C4T
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 09:56 PM
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39. What Kerry said.

The President should not wait to find out whether Rove is convicted in the end for his leak. Either Rove lied to the President about this matter of national security, which means he should be fired immediately, or the President is not being straight with the American people about his own involvement in this case.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:16 PM
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40. Signed up and ready to sign more from
Senator Kerry. I am grateful that he has stayed engaged and active and would vote for him again if given teh chance.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 10:32 PM
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42. Yo Go Senator Kerry! Signed! ROVE Stays On Radar!
Regardless of DIVERSIONS! :smoke:

This should be posted again tomorrow.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 03:58 PM
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46. Here's an interesting photo that JK might like to use as a visual


The button says: "I'm a source, not a target"
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-20-05 06:14 PM
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47. this kind of clear statements by prominent dems needs more airtime
so :kick:
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