Has Joe Wilson ever lied, or shown to be wrong?

[Poiuyt]

Has he said anything that could be construed as being incorrect?

It always seems that he has been vindicated in all his statements. The conservatives must have some reason that they say he's unreliable.

[Caution]

1. In this matter? Not that I know of

I'm sure he's lied or been wrong before though.

[James T. Kirk]

2. If I remeber correctly, he said his wife was not involved in his..

...selection for the Niger mission, but the bipartisan Senate report found that she was the one who proposed to send him.

[Fiona]

5. Not true

First off, the "bipartisan senate report" doesn't say any such thing. The additional comments by three right-wing senators made that claim, and made it falsely.

[JuniperLea]

6. proposing and sending are two different things

imho.

someone else surely gave the thumbs up if the word 'proposed' was used.

[James T. Kirk]

19. You are correct! I think the charge was that JW said she was not involved.

So if she was involved, he would not be telling the truth.

[emulatorloo]

8. That report sourced a BOGUS MEMO -- please see below, WAPO article

Republicants on the committee made a lot of hay out of a bogus memo -- note that this is the same memo Gannon was shopping around.

I am citing this 12/26/03 Washington Post article:

<snip>

Sources said the CIA is angry about the circulation of a still-classified document to conservative news outlets suggesting Plame had a role in arranging her husband's trip to Africa for the CIA. The document, written by a State Department official who works for its Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), describes a meeting at the CIA where the Niger trip by Wilson was discussed, said a senior administration official who has seen it.

CIA officials have challenged the accuracy of the INR document, the official said, because the agency officer identified as talking about Plame's alleged role in arranging Wilson's trip could not have attended the meeting.

"It has been circulated around," one official said. CIA and State Department officials have refused to discuss the document.

<snip>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A30842-2003Dec25¬Found=true

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See also this DU thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4130264

[James T. Kirk]

20. Thanks for that 2003 article!

I was referring to the Senate intelligence report alluded to by the out-of-date article:

"The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence is also preparing a report that is likely to cover both Wilson's mission to Niger and the subsequent leak of Plame's name. The report is still months from completion, officials said."

[noamnety]

15. She "offered up his name"

to quote the Senate report. She's not the decision maker; it wasn't her place to make the selection.

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/13jul20041400/www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/s108-301/sec2.pdf#page=4

[laureloak]

16. She wasn't involved in the SELECTION, she introduced him

as a candidate without anyone knowing they were married. She made the introduction, stayed 3 minutes, then left the room. He was perfect for the job. LOL!

At least that's what I've gleaned from various sources.

[Coexist]

22. I linked to the Senate Intelligence Report in post #21

Your sources were right on.

[Missy M]

3. Do the conservatives ever need a reason to say someone is...

unreliable. They say that about everyone critical of them.

[JuniperLea]

4. that is the illusion they are trying to create

because he was all over the non-WMD issue. they want to try and make him seem unreliable so when all his work is 'exposed' they can say his findings are unreliable too. personally, i think he is a badass good guy;) didn't he square off with saddam hussein and bring his own noose when SH said he was going to hang him high? that's better than dirty harry, imho.

[Dr Ron]

7. I think it is largely a GOP distortion campaign

to discredit Wilson.

For example, one of their big talking points is that Wilson lied when he said Cheney sent him on the mission.

Then when you go back through Wilson's actual statements, he didn't actually claim this. He made references where he believed Cheney was interested in seeing his findings, but didn't claim Cheney actually sent him.

With everything that's been said, I can't say there isn't anything where Wilson was wrong. Wislon was right on the key points here, primarily that the administration was misusing CIA data to falsely claim there was WMD, and that the White House was retaliating against him by releasing information on his wife being a CIA operative. If he was wrong on any minor points in all of this, it is rather trivial.

[Quixote1818]

9. Yes, just like Michael Schiavo murdered Terri . nt

[Doctor_J]

10. No, but as John Kerry, Tom Daschle, Max Cleland, and Al Gore

will attest, truth means nothing in SmirkWorld

[emulatorloo]

11. Has the GOP or Karl Rove ever lied, or shown to be wrong?

is probably a question which will get more affirmatives.

"Joe Wilson is a liar" is a big smoke screen -- concocted by the GOP through misquoting and twisting facts.

www.talkingpointsmemo.com is tracking some of the GOP lies

This site too:

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/004870.php

[LynneSin]

12. This is like asking the girl who was raped if she's ever had sex before

And one would hope that if Bush regime goes down that path that someone fights back and questions why this would be important.

I'm sure Joe Wilson has lied. But we have evidence that shows that in this particular instance - Joe Wilson is telling the truth!

[MissB]

13. "The conservatives must have some reason that they say he is

unreliable?"

:rofl:

Since when did the right-wing noise machine ever need to tell the truth?

[emulatorloo]

14. Yes they do have a reason - THEY WILL SAY WHATEVER IT TAKES

to stay in power. There is no lie too low for them if it is effective.

[kittykitty]

17. Link to his editorial in the NY Times 7/6/03

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/opinion/06WILS.html?ex=1121745600&en=fd98691816e153e1&ei=5070

He never said Cheney sent him.

[damntexdem]

18. A Republican who doesn't lie --

of course the conservatives find him unreliable!

[Coexist]

21. Read it for yourself (start on page 46)

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_rpt/ssci_iraq.pdf

Page 49 has the details about who suggested he go. It is a really good read, if you have the time!

Pages 54 and 55 go into what he told them about Niger and how Saddam couldn't get his hands on any.

[James T. Kirk]

23. Thanks. It says his wife suggested him on page 49.

According the bipartisan report, interviews and documents indicate it was his wife.

Thanks for the link!

Here's the official link:
http://intelligence.senate.gov/iraqreport2.pdf