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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:17 AM
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Indictments seem likely....and a bombshell?
Based on the closed lipped status of the White House and recent disclosures of reporter's testimony before the Grand Jury...

I can't imagine this not going to a trial.

Also here is the bombshell....

What if Judith Miller is really in protective custody as a material witness...and the contempt is simply a cover.

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petepillow Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:20 AM
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1. well then, that'd be some sweet sweet shizzle.
:toast: cheers to the good thoughts, and lets stay tuned.

:popcorn:
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:21 AM
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2. Judith Miller's status
is being called into question by some people, me included. Something is up with this story. I think she may very well be in protective custody. She seems to have made statements indicating she is frightened.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:26 AM
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3. Here's Her Full Statement To The Judge....
http://www.rcfp.org/shields_and_subpoenas/miller_statement.html

This statement might give you some further food for thought:

Return to subpoena update page

July 6, 2005, statement of Judith Miller to Chief U.S. District Judge Thomas F. Hogan before being jailed for contempt of court for refusing to disclose her source.


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Your honor, on Independence Day two days ago I thought long and hard about what you said to us in court last week. I knew I would have to stand before you today to explain my motives and state of mind.

You said that law must be obeyed by everyone, that no one is above the law. I want to assure you I am not above the law, and do not view myself as above the law. I am here today because I believe in the rule of law and your right to send me to prison for disobeying your ruling if you choose to do so.

You also said that citizens could not select which laws to obey. This, you said, would result in anarchy.

I know first-hand that the rule of law is the core of decent government. I saw the heartbreaking results of anarchy while covering America's war in Iraq two years ago. And for decades, I have lived and worked in Middle Eastern and other countries where there is no independent judiciary. I have chronicled what happens on the dark side of the world when the law is an arbitrary foil that serves the powerful - in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, for instance; in Syria; in Iran; and in the former Soviet Union. I do not take our freedom for granted. I never have. I never will.

But I also know, again from my reporting, that the freest and fairest societies are not only those with independent judiciaries, but those with an independent press that works every day to keep government accountable by publishing what the government might not want the public to know. Journalists are not perfect, but Thomas Jefferson put it best: if he had to choose between government and newspapers, he would choose the latter, because the latter is the long-term guarantor of the former.

If journalists cannot be trusted to guarantee confidentiality, then journalists cannot function and there cannot be a free press. Your honor, I believe that a free press depends now more than ever on people willing to express their views, particularly those in government. From my experience, and the experience of investigative journalists like me, I know that many of these people in government will not talk to reporters if we cannot be trusted to protect their identity. The risks are too great; the government is too powerful; the country is too polarized.



I'm not ready to jump on the protective custody concept...yet. But my radar is now turned on.

Cheers...
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jojo54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:34 AM
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5. Thx for that Kharma.
I was just about to ask MadaboutHarry for the details. I hadn't thought about this theory before, but it certainly makes sense. These two statements sound like she's pleading to go to jail:

'The risks are too great; the government is too powerful; the country is too polarized.'

'I'm not ready to jump on the protective custody concept...yet. But my radar is now turned on.'





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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:40 AM
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6. One's Hers...One's Mine...
The first comment is hers and that stuck in my head after I heard it read last week. "The government is too powerful; the country is too polarized" really had me wondering which government and is her jailing meant (in her mind) to avoid further polarizing (cooperating?).

The last part is mine. I'm not ready to think she's cooperating. There's just too much dirt in Judy's closet to think she's ready to rat out the whole shooting match...but if it means her being in the dock with them, it wouldn't surprise me to see her turn. Thus the radar is on.

Cheers...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:05 AM
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9.  I have chronicled what happens on the dark side of the world
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 10:06 AM by seemslikeadream

"I have chronicled what happens on the dark side of the world when the law is an arbitrary foil that serves the powerful - in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, for instance; in Syria; in Iran; and in the former Soviet Union. I do not take our freedom for granted."



Too bad Judy that you didn't chronicle that "serves the powerful" when it was happening right here
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 12:03 PM
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11. Oops! Sorry. Posted in wrong place. n/t
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 12:09 PM by truth2power
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:28 AM
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4. Isn't she at some high security prison?
If I had info that was going to bring down this bunch, I think I'd like to be locked up under guard also.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:51 AM
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8. It struck me like a ton of bricks the other day....
Why would Judith Miller go all the way and let herself be arrested for contempt for not revealing sources in a criminal investigation to a closed Grand Jury...?

It doesn't make sence. When it is VERY clear that the outing was done by Rove, Libby and probably Cheney.

Is the public told that people in protective custody I doubt it. Miller is a hogh profile journlist so some ruse had to be devised that would justify her vanishing...if she were simply in Jail for contempt she would still be writing and submitting. Is she still working?

Does anyone know where she is?


I think Fitzgerald is much smarter than anyone figured....
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 10:10 AM
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10. She's with Moussaoui
Edited on Mon Jul-18-05 10:14 AM by seemslikeadream
With her locked up in the same maximum-security prison as would-be Sept. 11 terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, we no longer have to worry that a 57-year-old New York Times reporter is out there blatantly interviewing people.
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/12159576.htm


Here it is


Miller's New Home in Virginia Known as a 'New Generation' Jail -- But Moussaoui is Fellow Inmate

By E&P Staff

Published: July 07, 2005 8:55 PM ET

NEW YORK When the judge sentenced New York Times' reporter Judith Miller to jail Wednesday afternoon, he did not say where it would be, but E&P soon learned that it would be just outside Washington, D.C. Later, she was seen entering the Alexandria (Va.) Detention Center.

The Virginia facility's best-known resident is convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui, according to the Associated Press. But what else is it known for?

It was completed in 1987 at a cost of $15 million, and houses all individuals committed by the courts to the sheriff's custody--local, state and federal. According to the Web site of the city's sheriff's department, the Center's management is based upon "New Generation" jail philosophy, which it describes as "a more modern and humane approach over traditional linear-style institution.

"New Generation philosophy is a combination of management style and architectural design which facilitates increased staff and inmates contact and works to reduce tension and improve security within the correctional setting."
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000974552
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-18-05 09:40 AM
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7. The White House has been speaking through its surrogates
Mehlman and the RNC have been carrying most of the water with those lame talking points, with FoxNews, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and the other usual suspects chiming in and their loyal foot soldiers on open forums doing their part.

The White House can no longer be seen to be directly defending these people. Allowing them to come to work is bad enough.

Bush might just be arrogant enough to issue pre-trial (or even pre-indictment) pardons, declare the matter closed and allow Rove and Libby to continue as if nothing happened.

We should be prepared to hit the streets if he does that or anything like that. Clearly that would be neither justice nor compassion, just more cover up.
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