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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:41 AM
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I would love to be on Judith Miller's side but.....
I simply cannot bring myself to believe she is protecting a "source" but rather an accomplice to a crime. That is nothing to be admired. She should not be covering for this person but exposing them as a threat to our nation. Why isn't she?

I tend to believe that she is all caught up in herself. She works for the NYTimes. She has connections in the White House. She has very high "sources". She even knew Ahmed Chalabi. She made all the rounds. It was almost like she was a member of the Bush Cabinet.

Now, we are led to believe that she is an innocent reporter simply trying to protect her source and the furure of journalism. But, is she really? Or she obstructing justice?

Normally, I tend to be on the side of reporters in situations of leaks and protecting sources, but I believe that Judith Miller is part of the problem, not part of the solution. I hope I am wrong and that she is covering for a legitimate reason, rather than simply protecting the White House and those in power. That is not her responsibility.
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  - I don't give a crap about Judith.  Sentinel Chicken   Jul-14-05 09:45 AM   #1 
  - i agree  adarling   Jul-14-05 09:46 AM   #2 
  - This is not your normal journalist silence situation. Something else is  higher class   Jul-14-05 09:49 AM   #3 
  - Welcome to the reality based community, kentuck!  librechik   Jul-14-05 09:52 AM   #4 
  - Judith Miller is writing her best selling memoires this very moment  sui generis   Jul-14-05 09:54 AM   #5 
  - I read she could be brought back in with further questioning  halobeam   Jul-14-05 10:04 AM   #10 
  - Seems Pat Fitzgerald Might Agree With Ya, Too  KharmaTrain   Jul-14-05 09:54 AM   #6 
  - is she still in jail?  KG   Jul-14-05 09:56 AM   #7 
  - "Judith who?" - Karl Rove n/t  Sentinel Chicken   Jul-14-05 10:04 AM   #11 
  - She acted as a facilitator, not a reporter.  wurzel   Jul-14-05 09:58 AM   #8 
  - I don't think she ever wrote anything about Wilson or Plame?  kentuck   Jul-14-05 10:14 AM   #12 
  - like your wording  stanwyck   Jul-14-05 10:18 AM   #14 
     - Right. So why should we cry? She is where she and others belong.  wurzel   Jul-14-05 10:31 AM   #15 
  - It's also not her right if she's protecting a criminal. It's illegal.  halobeam   Jul-14-05 10:01 AM   #9 
  - She is only protecting her future career as journalistic puppet  bj2110   Jul-14-05 10:16 AM   #13 
  - That's the truth. And the media doesn't know it? Hard to believe.  wurzel   Jul-14-05 12:51 PM   #16 
  - "What was Judith Miller Up To?" E&P article speculates about just that.  Garbo 2004   Jul-14-05 01:07 PM   #17 
  - I'm disgusted at their shredding of the Constitution  moderate_hero   Jul-14-05 01:36 PM   #18 
 
Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:45 AM
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1. I don't give a crap about Judith.
There's only one reason to be outraged about her jailing and that's that her source won't fess up.
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adarling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:46 AM
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2. i agree
there are times when i feel a reporter should protect their sources no matter what the cost, but was it that she keeps trying to hide. I think she will break soon though, maybe they will use some of those wonderful techniques from Guantanamo to crack her. This all just makes me sick. I think she is totally protecting someone from the white house and her own ass. Someone needs to do a little investigating on this lady to see what she might be up to.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:49 AM
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3. This is not your normal journalist silence situation. Something else is
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 09:54 AM by higher class
up with her silence. She is not a martyr.

Typical whislteblower situation:

Journalist wants to protect the source -

1st Party: Whistleblower
2nd Party: Wrongdoer
3rd Party: Journalist who 'discovers' whistlebower, listens, investigates, decides its merit, discusses with editiors, writes it up or not.

In the Judith Miller situation:
Whistleblower: None
Wrongdoer: White House
Miller: Appears to be a co-conspirator in breaking the law.

In other words, these journalists were approached or were complicit in breaking a law for partisan purposes.

And we know she is partisan as you have said.

This is NOT a typical journalist code situation.

And other journalists are crying about her being jailed. Amazing. This is the equivalent to saying that journalists can be co-conspirators and they don't have to talk to a federal investigator in a potential wrongdoer situation that they are a participant in.

All those journalists are crazy to cry over her jailing. The trouble with this country is the slime of propaganda and the blatant lies.

I've posted this about five times. No one challenges me. Tell me where I'm wrong.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:52 AM
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4. Welcome to the reality based community, kentuck!
Everyone is always saying they don't get why Judith is in jail and Novak runs free, so to speak. Judith is a different case, she is the key to the whole mess, and her source HAS NOT released her, like Cooper's source. Get ready for a BIG shocker.

As my boss says, a reporter must first be a good citizen.

Judith Miller is no reporter.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:54 AM
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5. Judith Miller is writing her best selling memoires this very moment
She has no higher motive. She knows she is going to profit tremendously from this experience, regardless of the outcome.

It's a given that she will be out in October and ready to cut a book and TV movie deal - this is not a huge sacrifice she's making at all.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:04 AM
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10. I read she could be brought back in with further questioning
and each and every time she chooses to be silent, more time can be added to her jail time. October may not be a reality. Here's for hoping.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:54 AM
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6. Seems Pat Fitzgerald Might Agree With Ya, Too
If it were "the source"...wouldn't Coopers words about Rove be enough to allow Fitzgerald to move ahead? Miller's got something else that Mr. Fitzgerald, the jury and the judge want to hear about. She's in knowledge of information that is impeding his investigation. She's not protecting a Deep Throat...someone who would advance a case, rather she's protecting someone whos deliberatly preventing Fitzgerald from concluding his investigation. That's why I think the judge agreed to jail Miller and why she'll continue to sit there.

I also think Judy kinda likes that safe cell. No constant calls from the media, no ENG trucks out your front door...those who could do you harm can't really reach you. I wonder where Judy's tipping point will be. I'm sure one day she'll sing...I just fear it will be in some multi-million dollar best seller that pays for all her games.

Cheers...
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:56 AM
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7. is she still in jail?
good!
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:04 AM
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11. "Judith who?" - Karl Rove n/t
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:58 AM
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8. She acted as a facilitator, not a reporter.
She, like Novak, conspired with Rove to smear Amb. Wilson. I can't understand why the press protects them. They should throw them both to the wolves.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:14 AM
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12. I don't think she ever wrote anything about Wilson or Plame?
That's what makes it so difficult to understand what she might be hiding ...?
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:18 AM
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14. like your wording
very accurate and concise. Miller was a complete facilitator for the invasion. I watched her on CSPAN's Washington Journal on two occasions. She was beating the drums furiously for war. And she spoke very authoritatively -- no question in her mind at all about any of the WMD or intelligence. And, of course, there should have been. She was not being a reporter. She was not inquiring. She was not seeking the reality.
She was cheerleading.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:31 AM
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15. Right. So why should we cry? She is where she and others belong.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:01 AM
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9. It's also not her right if she's protecting a criminal. It's illegal.
If she's protecting a whistle blower, that's a whole other issue. I tend to believe she's corrupt. Time will tell.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:16 AM
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13. She is only protecting her future career as journalistic puppet
For the * administration and the RNC.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:51 PM
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16. That's the truth. And the media doesn't know it? Hard to believe.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:07 PM
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17. "What was Judith Miller Up To?" E&P article speculates about just that.
An excerpt:

...Richard Schmitt wrote in the Los Angeles Times of July 9: "It appears clear that one possibility pursued by Fitzgerald is whether a journalist started a chain of conversations about Plame between reporters and White House officials."

This idea was first raised by me in an E&P column of April 7, based on conversations with legal sources, in which I suggested, among other scenarios, that Miller basically was a "carrier," around Washington, of the rumor about Plame's real identity, but not a reporter actively covering a story. She was "both a source for, and a witness to, disclosure by sources of Plame's identity."

She may have just been helping to spin the neo-conservatives' gossip. Her "source" is incidental, as she wrote nothing. No evidence has been presented that she even contemplated writing a story. None of her colleagues at the newspaper that I have spoken to over the past two years have suggested that she was actively working on a story about Plame.

But talking to someone at a high level somehow got her on Fitzgerald's list. She may have both received the information on Plame from a high official, who was trying to smear Wilson, and spread it as a "carrier" to another one. Or maybe she already knew what Plame's job was, as her government beat was WMD...
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/shoptal...
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moderate_hero Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:36 PM
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18. I'm disgusted at their shredding of the Constitution
Right or wrong, the Supreme Court ordered the NYT to give up the source. Do we believe that Supreme Court rulings are the law of the land that must be obeyed? Of course we do. Separation of church and state is not in the constitution, it is a result of stare decisis. Roe v. Wade survives because of stare decisis (for now anyway). Judge Black (or whatever his name was) was forced to take down the ten commandments because a federal court told him to. He lost his job for defying the order. Chimpy McShrub may be able to pick and choose which laws they wish to follow, but we should take the high road and make a point of following the court order.
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