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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:19 AM
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Plame has worked undercover within the past 5 years according to the WP
During a search while doing my homework (LTTE) I found this article from October 2003:

Leak of Agent's Name Causes Exposure of CIA Front Firm

By Walter Pincus and Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, October 4, 2003; Page A03

The leak of a CIA operative's name has also exposed the identity of a CIA front company, potentially expanding the damage caused by the original disclosure, Bush administration officials said yesterday.

-snip-
After the name of the company was broadcast yesterday, administration officials confirmed that it was a CIA front. They said the obscure and possibly defunct firm was listed as Plame's employer on her W-2 tax forms in 1999 when she was working undercover for the CIA. Plame's name was first published July 14 in a newspaper column by Robert D. Novak that quoted two senior administration officials. They were critical of her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, for his handling of a CIA mission that undercut President Bush's claim that Iraq had sought uranium from the African nation of Niger for possible use in developing nuclear weapons.

-snip-
A former diplomat who spoke on condition of anonymity said yesterday that every foreign intelligence service would run Plame's name through its databases within hours of its publication to determine if she had visited their country and to reconstruct her activities.

"That's why the agency is so sensitive about just publishing her name," the former diplomat said.

FEC rules require donors to list their employment. Plame used her married name, Valerie E. Wilson, and listed her employment as an "analyst" with Brewster-Jennings & Associates. The document establishes that Plame has worked undercover within the past five years. The time frame is one of the standards used in making determinations about whether a disclosure is a criminal violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40012-2003Oct...



There is so much BS being thrown around as common knowledge by the GOP spinners that I thought I would just point this little fact out.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:22 AM
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1. Just look them dead in the eye...
...and say, "Either you or a liar, or you are passing along lies that you believe without even bothering to use the brain god gave you to do any critical analysis. So which is it? Are you a liar, or just a sheep?"
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:21 PM
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19. You should have
listened to Bernie Ward's show last night. He had a rightwinger on his show who was repeating the talking points and he claimed to have heard it from the news and things like that. He couldn't back up anything he said. It was pathetic.
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:31 AM
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2. Hopefully...
This means that KKKarl is well and truly fucked.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:09 AM
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4. Well, it definitely shows that the talking point that she was just a
desk jockey at the CIA is pure crap. We already knew that but, as usual, the RW is trying to distort facts and hide reality.
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KCS72000 Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 08:43 AM
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3. This may also be evidence she was recently working on something



I really don't know what this is about, where it originated or who wrote it. Is it FUD or disinfo or real?

If it is real and can be verified better it may confirm Valerie Plane was active recently.



<snip>

"I received a call from Valerie Plame in spring 2003 pretending to be
from Brewster Jennings."

<snip>

http://cryptome.org/phony.htm


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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:12 AM
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5. The CIA demanded that Justice investigate this crime -
they made the demand after doing their own investigation into the matter.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:16 AM
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6. "also exposed the identity of a CIA front company"
There are likely even more agents and contacts associated with the company that were compromised.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:24 AM
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8. That is the point I want to emphasize in my LTTE. The front company
and how outing Plame, outed the company and the ripple effects that could have - many of them will be "classified".

Here is another article on this:

CIA officials see ‘huge’ effects of leak

Rivalli Republic
October 12, 2003
WASHINGTON – It’s just a 12-letter name – Valerie Plame – but the leak by Bush administration officials of that CIA officer’s identity may have damaged U.S. national security to a much greater extent than generally realized, current and former agency officials say.

Plame, the wife of former ambassador and Bush critic Joseph Wilson, was a member of a small elite-within-an-elite, a CIA employee operating under “nonofficial cover,” in her case as an energy analyst, with little or no protection from the U.S. government if she got caught.

Training agents such as Plame, 40, costs millions of dollars and requires the time-consuming establishment of elaborate fictions, called “legends,” including in this case the creation of a CIA front company that helped lend plausibility to her trips overseas.

Compounding the damage, the front company, Brewster-Jennings & Associates, whose name has been reported previously, apparently also was used by other CIA officers whose work now could be at risk, according to Vince Cannistraro, formerly the agency’s chief of counterterrorism operations and analysis.

Now, Plame’s career as a covert operations officer in the CIA’s Directorate of Operations is over. Those she dealt with – whether on business or not – may be in danger. The DO is conducting an extensive damage assessment.

And Plame’s exposure may make it harder for American spies to convince foreigners to share important secrets with them, U.S. intelligence officials said.

more at http://foi.missouri.edu/iipa/ciaofficials.html
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-15-05 06:30 AM
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30. Would Like to Read More About the Agents and Contacts of the Company that
Rove/Cheney compromised.

Here is a 10 page document showing that although KKKarl Rove committed treason, as usual with the Bush Crime Family the whole truth is much, much dirtier.

American Judas - links included re: PNAC Cheney and active Bilderberg Rumsfeld have been working all sides in providing a Nuclear "Walmart" out of Pakistan for Korea, Iran, and other Middle Eastern and Asian countries.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


This was written Aug. 8, 2004 and contains information and links you can't afford to miss on the corruption and working against the US National Security by the Bush Regime.

The real reason Valerie Plame was outed by Cheney through Rove was that she and her team were working on a sting operation of the WMDs on the open market out of PAKISTAN (Reason why Pakistanis are being blamed for London bombings like the Saudis in 911 at most they were subcontractors of the bad cells or sections of the CIA owned by former CIA director George H.W. Bush - see MK-Ultra Senate Hearings.)

:think: :think:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:21 AM
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7. She was working undercover
at the time the White House exposed her identity. Common sense would indicate there would be no grand jury investigation, nor any request from the CIA to the Department of Justice, if she wasn't of the status that the federal law covers.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 09:39 AM
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9. Hey, Waterman. Do you know of any additional information regarding
the damage done by the WH outing the CIA front company, Brewster-Jennings & Associates?

Focusing on a CIA front company takes out some of the personal BS the RW is using to try to obfuscate the real issue and the damage done to our national security assets.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:29 PM
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21. The actual damage done
is all classified information. I've seen numerous estimates, but none should be mistaken for anything factual. This includes estimates on those from other nations.

Remember: there is A LOT of information that groups have that has not been shared with the public. When the CIA's attorney made the July 24,2003 phone call to the Chief of the Department of Justice's Counterespionage Section, or when CI Office of Security sent the 7-30-03 and the 9-5-03 letters to the Criminal Division of the Dept of Justice, they did so because they recognized the significant damage the White House leak had caused. Fitzgerald has information that will demonstrate to this country how vile those who leaked her identity were.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:07 PM
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22. Right. Anyone who truly knows, wouldn't be talking - except for the WH,
of course, if it suited their partisan purposes.

I'm sure we will never know the true damage.
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:26 AM
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10. Repubs are soft on terrorism, national security and treason
With these fuckers it is : Party first, corporate and wealthy donors second, racists and fundies third, while way, way down on the list is the good of the country and the good of working families. Maintain power by starting a bogus war, reward loyalists, now matter how incompetent, bully the press, and viciously attack any critics, using every smear tactic in the book. Sadly, it has worked well so far.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:48 AM
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11. thanks for posting
:thumbsup:
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:51 AM
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12. TWO senior admin officials - who are they?
Also it quotes ........by Robert D. Novak that quoted two senior administration officials........TWO?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 10:59 AM
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13. I believe we know for sure that Rove and Scooter Libby both were
Edited on Thu Jul-14-05 11:05 AM by Pirate Smile
leaking this information to reporters.

"This from Dan Froomkin's WaPo chat today on Rove/Plame caught my eye:

Colorado Springs, Colo.: From what we've learned from Matt Cooper's e-mail, it sounds like his info was single-sourced. Is there more from what Times Magazine has turned over that we haven't heard about? And, how was the e-mail revealed if this was suppose to be "secret?"

Dan Froomkin: Actually, it's been established that Cooper called Libby the next day, and confirmed it with him..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

the entire transcript of the chat is posted here and you'll find this question way down near the bottom
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion...


edit to add - thanks to The Center for American Progress

"Who is Scooter Libby?

The Guy Behind the Guy Behind the Guy

by John Lyman
July 8, 2004

When historians finally lift the curtain on the Bush administration, they will discover that Irv Lewis "Scooter" Libby was one of the most important men pulling the levers. Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, has been center stage for every one of the administration's national security scandals – the Iraq intelligence debacle, secret meetings about Halliburton contracts in Iraq, and the leaking of a CIA's agent's identity to the press – and doubtless others we have not heard of yet.

Such a role is not unusual for Libby, who has more titles in the Bush White House than can fit on a business card. Essentially Libby is Dick Cheney's Dick Cheney – an odd combination of H.R Haldeman and Harry Hopkins, seemingly managing every detail of the vice president's professional life.

For the past three years, that has meant scooting from scandal to scandal.

It was Libby – along with Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith and a handful of other top aides at the Pentagon and White House – who convinced the President that we should go to war in Iraq. It was Libby who pushed Cheney to publicly argue that Saddam Hussein had ties to al Qaeda and 9/11.

It was also Libby who pleaded and prodded for Secretary of State Colin Powell to include specious reports about an alleged meeting between 9/11 terrorist Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi intelligence official in his February 2003 speech to the United Nations. Libby and his staff reportedly badgered Powell's speechwriters for weeks, culminating in a meeting where Libby presented information that, according to those who were there, was over the top and too aggressive.

more at
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF...
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:30 AM
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14. Yes Libby's name was mentioned early on
then Libby seemed to fade from the investigation. If Libby was involved then Cheney must have been?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:24 PM
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20. Very possible
It's very possible. Does Fitzegerald remember about this?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 01:13 PM
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23. I'm sure Fitzgerald knows more then we could even dream of right
now.

There seem to be at least two battles going on -

1. The legal front to the Grand Jury with Fitzgerald. No press conferences or anything public from Fitzgerald. He knows the truth about all the lies the Republicans are spewing re Wilson and Plame;

and

2. The public relations war/spin which is dominated by the RW spin doctors right now. Wilson has just joined this campaign but no one is really countering the BS spouted from the GOP talking points.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:10 PM
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26. I hope he doesn't overlook something
hopefully he has got ALL the info?
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:30 AM
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15. Yes Libby's name was mentioned early on
then Libby seemed to fade from the investigation. If Libby was involved then Cheney must have been?
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 11:57 AM
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16. Good Catch
This sentence, to me, soundly disproves the argument that Rove didn't name Valerie.

Even if that was a legitimate argument, which it isn't. Since marriages are a matter of public record, it wouldn't take much for a reporter to uncover any alternate name of a specific person's wife.

"Plame used her married name, Valerie E. Wilson, and listed her employment as an "analyst" with Brewster-Jennings & Associates. "
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:04 PM
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17. Exactly
which begs the question: why was this not called "Wilsongate"?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 12:08 PM
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18. Nice find!
So all this "she was an office desk worker" and other "she was nothing" nonsense is just that. Nonsense. These people have no shame.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:48 PM
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24. Debra Saunders Replies to My Email
Hi Pirate Smile - Thanks so much for digging this up - Debra Saunders actually replied to me after i sent her a copy of this - I didn't tell her that I didn't have to do much digging. Technically, I am not supposed to repost this email, but I don't agree with that. Send me mail and I will share if I feel like it. I emailed her back to remind her this article was written in 2003.


Status: U
Subject: RE: Your recent column
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 10:02:27 -0700
Thread-Topic: Your recent column
Thread-Index: AcWIk04P1EGlc24FQ52Maj3z/CY+2wAAFiiw
From: "Saunders, Debra" <DSaunders@sfchronicle.com >
To:
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2005 17:02:27.0725 (UTC) FILETIME=
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Dear ,

I appreciate the time you took to gather this information.

Wilson's book jacket calls her Valerie Plame. Wilson in letters to newspapers called her Valerie Plame. For the New York Times news pages to suddenly change her name from Valerie Plame to Valerie Wilson is absurd. That's why other papers didn't do it too. If they called her Valerie Wilson all along, it would be different, but one month ago, the Times referred to her as Plame, not Wilson.

I don't believe that Rove's actions in any way damaged national security. And the real lie may well be that the Niger story wasn't true. The Brits found the story credible while a bipartisan Senate intelligence panel felt that information was inconclusive.

DJS

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 10:02 AM
To: Saunders, Debra
Subject: Your recent column

Dear Debra Saunders ,

In light of your recent column defending Rove, I must ask you to review the following article. Please consider the following sentence:

"Plame used her married name, Valerie E. Wilson, and listed her employment as an "analyst" with Brewster-Jennings & Associates."

and the rest of the highlights below. I hope that you will reconsider your defense of Rove's actions in light of these facts. People's lives were put in danger and the US ability to track down real WMD threats were damaged all due to Rove's vicious retribution to a man who refused to lie to support the Bush administration propaganda machine.

Leak of Agent's Name Causes Exposure of CIA Front Firm

By Walter Pincus and Mike Allen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, October 4, 2003; Page A03

The leak of a CIA operative's name has also exposed the identity of a CIA front company, potentially expanding the damage caused by the original disclosure, Bush administration officials said yesterday.

-snip-
After the name of the company was broadcast yesterday, administration officials confirmed that it was a CIA front. They said the obscure and possibly defunct firm was listed as Plame's employer on her W-2 tax forms in 1999 when she was working undercover for the CIA. Plame's name was first published July 14 in a newspaper column by Robert D. Novak that quoted two senior administration officials. They were critical of her husband, former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, for his handling of a CIA mission that undercut President Bush's claim that Iraq had sought uranium from the African nation of Niger for possible use in developing nuclear weapons.

-snip-
A former diplomat who spoke on condition of anonymity said yesterday that every foreign intelligence service would run Plame's name through its databases within hours of its publication to determine if she had visited their country and to reconstruct her activities.

"That's why the agency is so sensitive about just publishing her name," the former diplomat said.

FEC rules require donors to list their employment. Plame used her married name, Valerie E. Wilson, and listed her employment as an "analyst" with Brewster-Jennings & Associates. The document establishes that Plame has worked undercover within the past five years. The time frame is one of the standards used in making determinations about whether a disclosure is a criminal violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A40012-2003Oct...

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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 03:58 PM
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25. Valerie Plame or Valerie Wilson? Calpundit 2003


http://www.needlenose.com/pMachineFree2.2.1/comments.ph...

http://www.calpundit.com/archives/002408.html

October 12, 2003

VALERIE PLAME OR VALERIE WILSON?....This post is sort of an open thread. I have a question I'm curious to get feedback on.

Here's the thing: the Washington Post article I blogged about this morning said, among other things, that a Post reporter was one of the targets of the White House leakers back in July. However, the reporter says that his source didn't mention Valerie Plame's name, only that "Joseph Wilson's wife" worked for the CIA. This supports the theory that perhaps no one was really trying to expose Plame's covert activities, but instead did it inadvertantly.

But Robert Novak did use the name Valerie Plame in his original July 14 column. Now, it's certainly possible that Novak discovered her maiden name himself (it was publicly available), but I can't think of any reason that he would actually use it unless the name was deliberately given to him by his White House source. After all, wives all have maiden names, but if they go by their married name (which she did), that's the name it's natural to use. It would be bizarre, for example, if someone looked up my wife's maiden name and then referred to her as "Kevin Drum's wife, Marian Riegel," even though she doesn't go by that name.

So here's the question. The only way to get the White House off the hook for deliberately spilling the name that Plame used on her covert assignments is to posit that Novak decided to use it on his own for some reason. Can anyone come up with some plausible scenario in which he'd do this?

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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:21 PM
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27. I pointed this article out to somebody on another board
He was calling everyone else 'ignorant' for not knowing the facts about the case and how Wilson was a known liar, etc. All of the talking points nearly verbatim.

His response after reading the excerpt I posted was, "I didn't know that."

I was like, wtf? You are calling everyone else ignorant for not knowing the facts, yet you didn't know one of the most important aspects of the story? What a freakin' nut.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 04:35 PM
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28. I don't think the people in the media remember this article. They sure
as hell don't act like it when they let Republican's come on TV and spew lies repeatedly.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-05 05:25 PM
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29. the Rightwingnuts are out in FORCE - doing their Sunday best
lie-on-tongue speak. mister re-tread, Gingrich has found some new soapboxes upon which to sputter and teeter-what a sadass bunch of lying a-holes.
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