freeper trolls: you are scary, sick people.

[datasuspect]

i generally make a point not to lurk at conservative websites. okay, i can live with that, their ideologies are rank and abhorrent to me.

i keep an eye on buzzphrases though: the ones trolls use:

*du echo chamber
*"i'm a lifelong liberal democrat"
*etc.

but i did some investigation and was appalled at the cottage industry, the vindictive SUBCULTURE of freeptards and republicans out there who SPEND WAY TOO MUCH TIME THINKING ABOUT DU.

but then i have to consider the cottage industry and slaughterhouse of depravity and vindictiveness that they built to destroy clinton.

so, to any trolls who might be reading this, and you don't have to answer, but why are you so fascinated with democraticunderground?

if we really are the dummies you think we are (and like i think of most of you) why not just ignore? i try to ignore you guys . . .

obviously you sense some kind of threat . . . why else would you have SO MANY VENUES for disruption and criticism of a fucking website?

why do you come here in record numbers and with so little finesse (news flash, you guys are largely transparent and although we don't outright call you freepers, we know what you are) try and spew your filth.

you think it is about "discussion?"

another news flash: the average sane person treats a "discussion" with someone like you as they would a discussion with an inmate of an asylum; i.e., with great trepidation, and no small amount of sadness.

in more simpler terms: there is nothing you can say, no sophistry you can concoct, no sound bites you can spin to convince a rational sane person that hatred is okay, that bush is legit, or that you have anything related to a valid point.

SO JUST GIVE IT UP.

[Maddy McCall]

1. *sound of freepers pulling out thesauri*

"Let's see...tre-puh-day-shun."

[Momgonepostal]

3. Yeah, that first post had way too many great, big words in it

You've lost your target audience.

[fla nocount]

But that's the attraction, Out of the darkness and into the light.

Like moths to a flame. The flowing syntax, the concrete and cognitive thoughts, the use of words that they've never heard and can't spell. It's an exotic and perhaps somewhat erotic experience to visit over here with us beautiful pagans while hiding behind a fictitous name. It's like vacationing in France without Mom ever finding out.

[bunny planet]

61. LOL

[seabeyond]

11. you are funny. i too wonder about the fascination by repugs

on this site. silliness, and a waste of time

the republican person that wants another perspective, to better understand and work together, and grow as a nation, become healthy, to heal, i could respect,.......but the freepers that come on here to play a game, solefully disrupt in such glee.........silliness

[GOPisEvil]

18. !!

:rofl:

[jmowreader]

73. Freepers don't have thesauruses

After all, most of them can remember "liberal traitors" and "Clinton's penis."

[cynatnite]

2. when the freeptards do their hit and runs in here...

the best they can do is two or three words put together. It's usually something like...FU DU :freak:

For some reason, they think this somehow bothers us and since they are unable to relate on a critically thinking level they are unable to respond intelligently to the lies we expose.

[Name removed]

54. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[cry baby]

57. Hey, KT - I don't think we are supposed to link to that site here

on DU.

Other than that, I completely agree with you!

[Kingshakabobo]

59. That site is a "12 man circle jerk"

[El Fuego]

4. I've made some casual googles re DU

What has struck me that DUers are like celebrities to these people. It is hilarious. They're trying to tear us down, but apparently they worship us.

[datasuspect]

5. someone else posted "fan fiction"

that someone at freepville does regarding the monikers that people use on this website . . .

it is funny, but there is something very chilling about that kind of stalker-like behavior.

[Mutley]

13. wow! 1,980,000 hits about DU on google

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=democratic+underground&btnG=Google+Search

I've never done that before and never realized how much people on the internets talk about DU.

[RummyTheDummy]

6. They don't scare me at all

They disgust me. But they're not capable of scaring me.

[havocmom]

14. Yeppers. Sick and pathetic maybe but hardly scary.

Mostly they are just plain boring. They are the canyon walls the echo talking points and nothing more.

Hollow heads are the perfect echo chamber for nonsense. Dried up hearts the perfect culture to grow the mold of hate. Shrivled guts make for cowardly skulking. They are empty vessels, rotting.

[datasuspect]

19. any person

who i don't know but who does research on me to find out information about my identity or where i live is a threat and in many ways is quite scary.

this is the level of rottenness i am talking about.

run of the mill hit and run posting on a website - no big deal, laughable really, but the subculture of hate over there that promotes stalker activity is very sickening.

[havocmom]

49. psssssst: point is, NEVER let them see you sweat,

NEVER.

[fasttense]

7. I feel so important. n/t

[datasuspect]

8. ?

are you admitting something?

[fasttense]

15. Yes, that I post on DU and have freepers reading my every word.

Makes me feel well special, to know we are all so fascinating to them...

[sui generis]

9. ah, something for them to hate

something for us to pity.

take away the hate and you're just left with a bunch of ugly fourth graders.

It's a critical part of their personas - poor little fellers.

:evilgrin:

[Chicago Democrat]

10. Enemies are like lovers....

They keep u on your toes. They show you what is loved and hated in yourself. Love your enemy someone said once.



LOVE your ENEMY... Hard to do.... Maybe loving includes "ridiculing" in order to show them themselves.

[Iris]

12. Maybe they're threatened that DU continues to thrive even thought they

seem to think we are irrevocably defeated.

[ReadTomPaine]

16. DU matters.. and FR does not. This is something they simply cannot accept.

The only time FR is on the map is when they carry water for the GOP. They are simply a set of tools and they know it. DU is relevant, has a great many high profile contributing members (some of the names would shock even long time DU'ers) and an even larger number of high profile readers.

That DU is independent of the Dem party upsets them even more, as without the GOP propping up FR, it would fail or slide into even greater irrelevance inside of months.

This explains much the behavior we see, from disruptions, to stalking and scams, to the reverse idol worship some mentioned above. The rest is just untreated mental illness.

[datasuspect]

17. that contextualizes it somewhat

i know none of this should surprise me, but it still does.

[BPD2258]

20. I'm not a "freeper"...

and I hold democratic, progressive and conservative viewpoints. I don't post a lot at DU (as you can tell by my post count) but I do lurk quite a bit to gather various viewpoints so I can be better educated about other ideologies. I've honestly never been to Free Republic, but I spend quite a bit of my time on "the site that cannot be named". I can understand why you feel the way you do about conservatives, but don't you think it's because of the way you come across to many of them? Look at your post, it's full of hateful, vindictive verbiage that oozes acrimony. I'm sure by now that one of you has pressed the Alert button and I will soon get tombstoned (undeservedly), but I just wanted to let you know that anyone who uses the language you used in your post (redtard or bluetard) deserves to be ridiculed. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, Freeper or DUer, but your incivility is doing this Web site and your cause an extreme disservice.

I hope my account stays active and I am allowed to stay on DU because I do enjoy posting once in a awhile, but if I get banned I want everyone to remember that I followed the rules and guidelines of this board:

Civility: Treat other members with respect. Do not post personal attacks against other members of this discussion forum.

Content: Do not post messages that are inflammatory, extreme, divisive, incoherent, or otherwise inappropriate. Do not engage in anti-social, disruptive, or trolling behavior. Do not post broad-brush, bigoted statements.

[datasuspect]

21. bully for you

but there wasn't anything i said that was out of line.

if you disagree with what i'm saying, speak to that, not the way i said it.

and what is more incivil?

speaking my mind in a rather restrained way (you surely don't know me).

but you know what, fuck that. go pull your incivility and "the way you democrats appear" shit somewhere else, if you truly are a conservative progressive, you should have no problem in knowing that i am viewed in the same light as a terrorist.

IT WOULDN'T MATTER WHAT I SAY OR HOW I SAY IT, a freeptard will find some way to tell me how my message is unsuccessful. but you know what, it isn't.

i don't have to agree with bush in toto to be heard or to have a valid opinion.

[BPD2258]

23. You are 100% correct that I don't know you...

and I would never insinuate that I do. I was simply stating the fact that your tone and hostility are detrimental to your message being understood by all people. I don't view you in the same light as a terrorist and if others do then they are idiots.

Regarding the content of your post, calling the enemy names and ridiculing them is exactly what you complain about them doing to you. Why not challenge them to defend what you consider indefensible? Then you can prove your point without having to resort to name-calling and derision.

[datasuspect]

37. i think the issue

is that i insist on calling radical right wing jihadis "freeptards."

and trying to discuss anything with a christian jihadi is like teaching a pig to dance: you get dirty and just end up pissing off the pig.

tschuss!

[BPD2258]

44. That's a very funny analogy! : - )

I am also a Christian (which does not make me popular here), but I don't ram it down peoples throats. It's unfortunate that the minority of Christians give the rest of us a bad name. A true Christian following the teaching of Christ is humble, forgiving and non-judgmental. I don't think you are speaking of those pigs, right? : - )

[datasuspect]

47. radical christianity

is no longer a fringe population and is not a minority.

and although i can accord you common human dignity and could possibly muster up a modicum of respect, i ain't gonna play kissy face with you.

[BPD2258]

48. Not my intention...

vent away, OP!

[datasuspect]

50. i'm not venting

i'm discussing reality. hey but thanks for the vote of invalidation.

[BPD2258]

53. Once again...

not my intent. I will leave it at that.

[seabeyond]

52. speaking of christian. my kids went to a christian private school

for 6 years. they started hearing the minister preaching kerry wasnt a christian, kerry was a murderer, bush was sent by god, liberals are not christian........in chapel every thurs. the hate and anger towards liberals, democrats, or anyone who voted for kerry got so bad, i pulled kids out end of nov. a school that was home to my boys. oldest there from pre k to 4th

they were attacked by the kids

when the people running the school lost us, and finally listened to me they felt such shame.

but they allowed it to get to that point

my son, being the christian soul, and taking the preaching of christ seriously, continually turned the other cheek. until he could no longer open the bible again, because of the hypocrisy that was being taught to him by his fellow christians. bible class was an easy 100% for him. by the time i pulled him, he was getting his first c. couldnt open the bible. he loved the bible. read childs bible for fun

there is a serious problem going on in our world, our christian world. we cant expect the non christians to heal, it has to come from us

[BPD2258]

55. What you say is true....

and it is sad beyond comprehension for those of us who truly try and lead a Christ-like life. Kudos to your son for being a man and not giving in to the hypocrisy and anger. Hopefully the shame felt by the school will cause some changes.

[Sterling]

60. I am also a Christian (which does not make me popular here),

Lucky for you that you live in a country that is dominated by Christians and are surrounded by it everywhere you turn. Maybe you can recover from people not being as excited about organized religion in this tiny corner of the internet?

The persecution complex gets really tired considering.

[Misunderestimator]

75. Well said...

I was about to ask what other persecution standbys were going to be pulled out.

[cry baby]

62. There are many, many Christians on DU that are very popular,

well read, brilliant people. Maybe you have bought into the notion that progressives hate Christians or aren't Christians. Maybe you haven't read DU long enough to know that there are many real Christians here. There are also brilliant, well read, very popular people here who aren't Christian or even religious. We discuss religion here a lot because of some of today's Christians that don't follow Christ.

[seabeyond]

22. the sole intent of many that come on this site is to cause problems

that site has a to do on how to cause chaos here. and then you wonder why people may have issue. maybe you ought to be saying this to your fellow members on the other site not to come over here to cause chaos. but to lecture us on civility?

i am living in an area, because i didnt vote for bush, i am called anti family, unchristian, unpatriotic. i dont think the republican is being called that by our administration or our media. but hte liberals are. why doesnt that outrage you. why, whether repug or dem, arent you outraged

nah

i have been on that other board, and all else fails, or first instinct, call names.

i hope you dont get kicked. i hope you can continue posting, here and there. but, i dont think you are being balanced

[tsuki]

26. You must live in Florida also.

[BPD2258]

28. That's fair...

It does outrage me that anyone is considered anti-American or unpatriotic just for not agreeing with the administration. This is America and we are all living under the same flag whether you are blue, red, purple or pink.

You make my point for me. Your response to me was not angry or hateful. You simply stated your facts and questioned my intentions. This is a discussion and can be productive. Resorting to name calling and histrionics is counter-productive and what some of those on that site also resort to.

I also hope I can stay here. : - )

[seabeyond]

32. and i went over to do exactly what you suggest

and i was called a bunch of names. why bother. i am more conservative than liberal. i talk my point of view all the time on this oard, i am not hated, i am not ridiculed. i do it with respect, but, my point of view.

i dont buy this is an evil place

i am surprised at times at the extremism, but then it is the net. there are always a percentage of people that come on here merely to behave poorly cause they dont have the balls to do it in real life. they do it on your other board, for exactly the same reason. the majority cannot take responsibility for that. you have to take a board as a whole. not nit pick

[BPD2258]

38. I'm sorry you were treated that way...

everyone deserves respect if they give it. I always try and remain respectful even when I am being disrespected. This place is in no way evil, but like you said there are extremists and they can give any board a bad name. Hopefully I can continue posting here.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

66. can i still call RW'ers pig-fuckers?

:shrug:

[seabeyond]

68. you can that one dude anyway, that said he did on colmes show

or was that a sheep, or a goat?

horse?, lol

seeing how hubby is a texan, he didnt appreciate that man saying it was common amongst the farmers

[SlavesandBulldozers]

69. that's right!

oh man. . i've heard about that and i'd love to see a clip. or a quote.

[seabeyond]

71. dont have it dont care to have it

i did read the transcripts. it was for real. i was in a shocker on that one for a while

someone here has it

[SlavesandBulldozers]

78. yes, someone here does, of that I'm absolutely positive

i think I've seen it a couple of times but the references have been out of context.

i'd rather get it from the horse's. .. ok I'll stop.

[Misunderestimator]

76. Why do you keep saying that you hope you can stay here?

It's almost as if you're challenging someone to kick you out. :shrug:

And the passive-aggressive tactic of broadbushing everyone at this site by saying that "some" of us resort to "name calling and histrionics" while pretending to compliment someone who you view as not doing that (as if that is the norm here) ... is quite transparent, to me at least.

[Touchdown]

27. $5 from me says you won't be banned for this post.

I can't speak for the other 18 posts you made, but this one is fine.

However, I also think you need to spend a little more time getting to understand why the language gets ascerbic. This place is a constant target for those whityh nothing better to do than to toss imaginary eggs into our window systems, hoping to break some glass. It does get tiresome, and many of our patience has worn thin, so we get abrasive. As far as "vindictive and hateful", I don't see it. I see anger, and indifference after being worn down by people who refuse to look at reality, and make up their own version of it, especially their fantasies about us. Some people are just lost causes, and the OP is just washing her hands of them. "Civility" got us to the position of being out of power, and the country in the hands of corporate thieves. That approach clearly isn't working. DU is also a venting place. A place for this exact kind of language use, because everywhere else (except for a lesbian bookstore) is flooded with in your face right wingers pushing everybody to conform...including the freeway with their insipid chinese made ribbons.

There are some Republicans that can be reasoned with, and a lively debate can ensue. I've done it on other sites numerous times. The OP is not talking about them. If you've lurked here long enough, you should know very well what KIND of person who calls themselves conservative/Republican she is talking about.

[BPD2258]

35. I understand...

I don't emote much when it comes to posting on DB's but I can see where others need a place to vent. OP is understandably upset and had a great vent, I just felt the need to state my case because I didn't think OP was getting her point across to the people who she seemed to be talking to, namely the Freepers.

I hope I don't have to collect that $5! : - )

[datasuspect]

36. i'm not really that upset

just sickened.

and i'll be the arbiter of my language.

[seabeyond]

29. the most offensive.....hearing a rightwinger tell me i am cheering

my soldiers death. do you know how offensive that is. because i see bush has fucked up thru greed this war every step of the way, and our soldiers are still being fucked. it pains me, angers me.......makes me want to find a solution instead of blind ":support" for our great leader that obviously doesnt give a shit for the soldiers or the innocent lives in iraq, babies......yet

the people on the other board tell me i am cheering these deaths

now at what point do i get to be offended.

dont i have the right to be offended, some jerk that doesnt know a thing about me telling me i am so pathetic that i CHEER the loss of life of our soldiers

that IS disgusting

i didnt do anything. i didnt say that. i am NOT the disgusting one

[BPD2258]

41. You are correct ...

some of the extremism at that other site makes me sick as well. You did not deserve the ridicule.

[seabeyond]

43. hey........you are sweet

will see you around i am sure.

bit i agree with you on more than you think, wink

see, i did a little venting too, i feel better, how about you, lol

[BPD2258]

46. I'm just glad I'm still here!

: - )

I'm afraid to read what others have said about me so far.

[dogday]

30. You had me going with I'm not a freeper

should of stopped there

[seabeyond]

34. i am conservative. am i a freeper?

[dogday]

39. You said you were not

[Redstone]

33. A civil response: Ah, but WE do not have a special forum

set up for posts ridiculing "them."

They DO have those forums.

WE do not go around setting up websites such as "W-K" and "scamdy" (and a few others) specifically to incite harassment of people who are members of those websites.

They DO set up those sites to incite harassment (and much worse) of DU members.

WE get "hateful and vindictive" when provoked.

They ARE like that all the time. Every day.

Comprene?

Your response is invited, and courtesy will be met with courtesy.

Redstones

[BPD2258]

51. I know what you speak of...

but I make it a point not to peruse those sites. They are designed specifically to divide and deride and I do not wish to join that circus. On "the other site", not everyone is hateful and vindictive. Just certain people. : - )

[Redstone]

63. However, "that site: DOES have the forum about us, and

more than one of their "prominent" members has set up the kind of hateful, vicious website just to incite harassment of DU members.

And they are allowed to crow about doing so in the forum.

THAT's the difference between them and us.

When the owners of those sites, all of them, remove the "obsession with DU" forums, and disallow the trumpeting of the hate sites set up by their members, only THEN could they be considered "the same as DU, but on the other side of the political fence."

Until then, they'll be just what they are: hateful, jealous cesspools.

Though I'll say this just one more time, and then no more: At least ONE moderator of ONE of those sites had the decency, ONE time, to tell the members to knock off the "anti-Andy" crap, at least for a short time.

See? WE are willing to acknowledge when one of them acts like a human being, even though there's no reciprocation that I know of.

Redstone

[alarimer]

81. I have noticed that when Republicans say something vile

It is perfectly okay (Limbaugh with the White House dog comment regarding Chelsea) but let Howard Dean call Republicans the white Christian, they say that Democrats are being intemperate. Durbin had to apologize for the Nazi reference though Repiblicans have used it often enough. Conservative right-wingers can dish it out but they can't take it and that goes for those websites (and freepers who visit this one) as well.

[seabeyond]

82. just a few little snips by conservatives

"Environmentalists are a socialist group of individuals that are the tool of the Democrat Party. I'm proud to say that they are my enemy. They are not Americans, never have been Americans, never will be Americans."
- Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska), Alaska Public Radio, 08-19-96


"Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him."
- Rep. James Hansen (R-Utah), talking about President Clinton, as reported by journalist Steve Miner of KSUB radio who overheard his conversation, 11-01-98


"We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs."
- Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), Mother Jones, 08-95


"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to The New York Times building."
- Ann Coulter, The New York Observer, 08-26-02


"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."
- Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02


"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus—living fossils—so we will never forget what these people stood for."
- Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95


"Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past—I'm not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble—recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin's penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an 'enemy of the people.' The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, 'clan liability.' In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished 'to the ninth degree': that is, everyone in the offender's own generation would be killed and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed."

- John Derbyshire, National Review, 02-15-01

[alarimer]

86. unbelievable

anything that has been said here pales in comparison. We are far too nice.

[seabeyond]

87. so if we have democrats talking like this, i would like to see

and really, this is very very few comments, not even the worst

i challenge freepers to find something to compare from the left

on edit: again i am not going to buy into both sides do it. both sides ARENT doing it. that is what bush does to dismiss his bad. that is what a child does to get out of trouble and not own bad behavior

[SmokingJacket]

64. Actually, the rules only apply to other members of DU.

One can be acrimonious as one likes about trolls in general, though one can't call them out.

I think FR's obsession with DU is a reflection of the tendency conservatives have of defining themselves in opposition to liberals. A lot of rightwingers I know (mostly family members) are **obsessed** with liberals as a way of telling themselves who they AREN'T. "I'm NOT a dirty hippy!" "I'm NOT one of those pointed headed volvo driving liberals!"

It's because there's a real void in right-wing ideology, in my opinion. We could take or leave FR, but they need us to shore up who they are.

[seabeyond]

70. interesting perspective

there is more to this i can feel, lol. gonna think on this one.

per family members too, lol

my brotehr, i told him i was a liberal. he tells me, you said it, not me. like i called myself a dirty word. he equates liberals to kkk

told him liberal/conservative. you dont have a problem with conservative, i dont with liberal

feminism. my father says greta use to be a feminist. tell father, i am a feminist. he about choked on spit.

not what you were talking. just wanted to share

[Nimble_Idea]

79. wow, Freeptard flamebait

so obvious it's sad.

[Sparkman]

80. Brear Bear, said Brear RABBIT, this is my laughing place....family

by choice. My emails are ignored by family, who still vote for Bush, still support the neo-cons, and will say anything to protect their status and pocketbooks. So if I can't go explitive or blow off steam here, then it's back to the pot & booze zone.

[Arkana]

88. Um, what exactly was out of line?

I didn't see anything particularly inflammatory--remember, the message is aimed at Freepazoid trolls.

[Ian David]

24. Freepers are like slinkys

Freepers are like slinkys:

They're completely useless, mildly entertaining to play with, and you can't help but giggle when you see one falling down the stairs.

[DIKB]

45. By FAR

you have just posted the "Quote of the day"

[dogday]

25. come out -come out- whereever you are....

would love to talk, come on in, the water is fine....

[OrlandoGator]

31. Freepers are more afraid of DU's "F-words" than our content.

Every time I venture over there, I see some thin-skinned little Keyboard Commando complaining about our use of profanity.

Well guys, here in the real world, this is how people talk.

[seabeyond]

40. fuck that shit...... .......... ....... ...teasing

just cause i am SOOOOOOOoooooo funny

[BPD2258]

56. I'm sure you feel this way...

but I don't. It's not the foul language it's the use of divisive and angry words that I don't respect. But, that's just me. To each his/her own. I have my own kids to worry about. I'm not going to worry about other people's potty mouth. : - )

[SammyWinstonJack]

77. Try spending some time at FR if you want

"divisive and angry words" :eyes:

[BPD2258]

83. That's why I don't go there.

I tried once a long time ago and I got so angry I never went back.

[seabeyond]

72. the other site, the only time i had to hide the screen from 7 year old

walked into my room. i realized what was on my screen when i was on the other site. they put the most offensive pictures. one of a dog butt fuckin a male. that one was just bad. so.......i hardly believe their oh so sensitive puritan beliefs./

had to put hand in front of the picture to block from the view of my child

clearing throat......family values my ass, wink

[BPD2258]

84. Yeah... I have the same problem.

I have to make sure my kids stay away from the PC when I'm logged onto any DB. There are some mighty offensive people and images out there that none of my five kids need to see.

[seabeyond]

85. i dont have the same issue on this board

unless i go into lounge and i dont know, might be a possiblity, mAYBE not, i dont go there. but i am not going to say all boards. my spiritual board, i have not had any problems. this board i have not had to hide from children. i am talking pictures they put up for no reason, not having anything to do with thread, just for the crude effect.

i am not one that says both sides do it, to get along, when both sides dont do it.

[PurityOfEssence]

42. Conservatives HATE difference

Liberals recognize that there are all sorts of people, and we tend to want to accomodate them, even if we don't particularly agree.

Conservatives are deathly afraid of the unknown and loathe people who are different; for them, there's only one way to be, and anything else is perverse. It's intolerance writ large, and many consider it their duty to go about with their wacky ideological cleansing.

[BPD2258]

58. Don't paint with such a broad brush...

not all conservatives are like you describe. I hold many viewpoints and ideologies, and I always try and see things from other perspectives. That's the only true way for me to gain my own perspective.

[stepnw1f]

65. Yur So Open Minded

I guess you get a pass then.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

67. youre definitely an atypical conservative

you can admit that and be proud of it.

[benburch]

74. Understand, then, that conservative is a misused word.

It properly describes decent people like Barry Goldwater, or yourself, and has been misapplied to criminals like Bush, Cheney, Rove, and Reagan.

You need another name for yourself, because if you call yourself a conservative, people will lump you in with those monsters.

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89. YES! YES! YES! This needs to be posted WEEKLY!!!!!

Right on the money, benburch.

There is **nothing** conservative at all about the extremists you mention, except that they masquerade as conservatives -- they are, in fact, right-wing radicals -- nothing more, and certainly nothing less.

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