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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:21 PM
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Words from a Muslim DU'er
Today's attack was simply atrocious. This attack was an assault on humanity itself. In reality, thousands will die because of this attack.

The G-8 will be focused on terrorism, the Environment and Africa will no longer be major concerns of this Conference.

The innocent people who died today and those who will die in the future will find their place in Heaven.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:23 PM
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1. I agree whole heartedly.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:26 PM
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2. Thank you for your words.
Yes, Africa and so many other things will be lost in the wind because of this. It doesn't have to be though. We here at DU must continue to fight the propaganda machine and get the words out that need to be spread. We have to become an army ourselves of spreading the truth and knowledge however we can.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:27 PM
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3. We stand shoulder to shoulder ...
... with most of the world condemning senseless violence against anyone anywhere.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:27 PM
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4. Salaam
Thank you.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:32 PM
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5. The picture is becoming increasingly blurry.
Who hates redress of the environment and poverty?

I gotta tell ya',...I just feel the weirdest disconnect from the world today. I have no compulsion to even try to figure the truth behind today's barbaric act.

The only truth I discern is a human tragedy,..."an assault on humanity" as you say.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:39 PM
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6. Mr. Muslim DU'er - "innocents will find their place in Heaven" &
let me ask.

Where will those muslims who have committed these acts find their place?

I'm interested in what you think of this.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:43 PM
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9. The same place as any person who commits evil.
It is my belief that God loves those people who follow that 'golden rule', "Treat people as you wish to be treated", "Killing a person kills all of humanity, saving a person saves all of humanity", etc. regardless of religion.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:14 PM
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15. Killing a person kills all of humanity, saving a person saves all of human
Thank you.

a beautiful knowledge.

If only all sides knew that.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:29 PM
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19. It is knowledge beautifully expressed...
"Killing a person kills all of humanity, saving a person saves all of humanity"

I also like your response "the same place as any person who commits evil" Bush* will end up with his evil counterparts! What divine justice.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:41 PM
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7. As you know by now...
DUers do not hold "Muslims" responsible for the terrorist acts. We KNOW that the terrorists are terrorists who happen to be Muslim. The same way we don't hold all Christians responsible for the invasion of Iraq. Our prezeldent trying to imply that God told him to invade Iraq is just as bad as what the terrorists are doing in the name of Allah.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:43 PM
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8. It may be millions if global warming hits.
We are running out of time to fix this.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:43 PM
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10. As long as we can embrace our shared humanity, we can learn
to CELEBRATE, instead of hate, our beautiful differences.

This vicious act was rooted in hate, NOT faith. As a Christian, I felt the same need to express my shame and disgust when the bombs rained on Baghdad.

Thank you for your words of shared grief. Peace will win in the end. Believe it, my friend, believe it.

Salaam.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:46 PM
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11. I feel great sorrow and compassion for the Brits now, but I noticed
on the Lehrer News Hour that in the brief synopsis of the events in Iraq, there was a single sentence something like "Six people died in _______ (fill in the blank) from a roadside bomb" (not sure of the exact words). Every day since the war started scenes similar to those in London have been taking place in Iraq.

Of course, nobody worries or frets about the death of these Iraqis who are dying every day from bombs just as maliciously placed and detonated. About 100,000 have died overall in Iraq as a result of the war, most because of US bombing but many also from the bombs of the insurgency.

Should we not also feel compassion for these dead?

I couldn't help thinking what I would imagine people in the Middle East are thinking now: "Now you know what it feels like to the Iraqis."

And it will come to America soon as well, probably when we finally decide to leave the country and the terrorists don't have the soldiers and complicit civilians in Iraq to target.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:49 PM
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12. I made a post about that too this morning
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:18 PM
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18. One of my favorite quotes for the day along these same lines is
by Will Pitt

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

My first response was horror, and my second was a sense that the British people have the strength to endure this. My third response was to marvel at the news coverage. Four bombings, more than thirty dead, hundreds more wounded? In London, it is a terrifying, enraging, appalling act of despicable violence that must be immediately avenged.

In Iraq, they call events like this Tuesday.

Tens of thousands of people have been killed and wounded in Iraq by way of deadly bombings that have been taking place every single day. These Iraqi people are no different from the Londoners who perished today. Their skin is darker perhaps, and they pray to a different God, but they have families and children and dreams and they die just as horribly as their British counterparts. Yet they earn perhaps a few sentences on the back page of the paper, and virtually no comment from the members of the international community which ginned up the invasion of Iraq in the first place.



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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:45 PM
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20. Will, you sort of got it wrong ..........
they don't pray to another god. They pray to the same god, but they just have a different name for him.
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:50 PM
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23. Exactly; I can't remember whether I pointed that out on his post, but
I did notice the error (IMHO). God, being infinite, can only be one God; different names, same God.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:51 PM
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13. Well Said, Sir!
There is no doubt in my mind actions like this are contrary to a proper understanding of the Koran and the Hadith.
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:54 PM
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14. Salaam Alaikum
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 09:58 PM by PsychoDad
I agree brother, but this day many hands are bloody and many have committed barbarous acts.

Hundreds of thousands have already died. This is just more blood on top of the vast amount already shed by the bush cabal. An eye for an eye, blood for blood....

A cycle that can only end once one or both sides decide to stop the bloodshed, or one side is dead.

I also deplore the barbarism from both sides. Murder is murder wither if delivered in a package in a subway station or dropped from high above. English women and children, Iraqi women and children.. the result is the same, Dead is dead.

At the same time we also have to remember that this is a war that the US and England chose to indulge in by attempting to provoke Iraq into war with pre-emptive bombing, and when that failed they carried out an illegal invasion, one that was sold to the English and American people with lie after lie.

"Bring it on", said our brave leader, safe in his fortress. "We fight the terrorists in Iraq so we don't have to fight them here", was his latest lie/excuse.

Let us remember who wanted to engage in this folly, because in the end it's not people like Bush and Blair who die in these wars of theirs, it's people like you and me... and those Iraqi children.

The "war" has hit home for the british. As per the request of the boy king, they have indeed brought it on.

We kill hundreds of thousands, they kill a few thousand... but the result is the same.

Murder is murder.

Another wiser leader once said, "If you kill one person, it is as if you have killed all of humanity, and if you save one life, it is as if you saved all of humanity".

All life is sacred. Ours and theirs.

I shall make dua for all involved, and ask that the almighty guides all of us into a path of wisdom, tolerance and forgiveness.

Because in the end, that's all that can save us.

Salaam my friends.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:16 PM
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16. And Salaam to you, my friend.
Thank you for that post, very well-written.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:16 PM
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17. Hear hear
Very true. It's still disgusting. :pals:
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:18 PM
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21. credulous vitam fovet et melius cras fore semper dicit.
I believe terrorism is the wrong word for these attacks. Isn't murder or violence more descriptive?

How can the media take the tragedy and pain of these victims and turn it into another political circus?
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Biased Liberal Media Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:35 PM
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22. Standing beside you
in unity.

Peace be to you and all other Muslims who will face wrongful hatred from others. There are no words for me to describe my anger about how ignorant some Americans have been in regard to Muslims. This Agnostic will continue to point out the racism I see on a daily basis if need be.

:hug:
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