Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Meanwhile, scores of innocent civilians are being killed...

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:41 PM
Original message
Meanwhile, scores of innocent civilians are being killed...
in Iraq today thanks to American bullets, bombs, tanks, brass knuckles, attack dogs, etc.

Same as yesterday. Same as tomorrow.

That is all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:44 PM
Response to Original message
1. could be as high as 24,000
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. More like 600. Per day.
24,000 is a ridiculous underestimation of the Iraqi death toll. Iraqbodycount only tallies media reports.

A scientific, peer-reviewed poll found 100,000 to 200,000 Iraqis had been killed. That was a year ago, halfway through the war so far. So it'd be more like 200,000 to 400,000.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DFWdem Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. Not quite
The study was neither peer-reviewed nor scientific.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/iraq.deaths /

Although there is disagreement about its accuracy.

"An expert on study methods who was not involved with the research, said the approach the scientists took was a reasonable one to investigate the Iraq death toll."

"But Richard Peto, who is professor of medical statistics at Oxford University, cautioned AP the researchers may have zoned in on hotspots that might not be representative of the death toll across Iraq."

"The researchers called for further confirmation by an independent body such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, or the World Health Organization."

However, regardless of the actual number, it's still entirely too many and completely unacceptable.



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. 100,000 figure was scrutinized by the economist...
found most likely accurate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DFWdem Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. No telling
Which number is most accurate is irrelevant. The number of Iraqi deaths caused by the US invasion should be zero. That said, it wasn't a scientific study done with completely random sampling, but some researches do feel it is fairly accurate.

" The researchers surveyed nearly 1000 Iraqi households in September, asking how many people lived in the home and how many births and deaths there had been since January 2002. They then compared the death rate among those households during the 15 months before the invasion with the 18 months after it, getting death certificates where they could."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #3
11. The Lancet study was peer-reviewed and scientific.
Making it far more reliable than iraqbodycount and other such sources.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #2
12. do you have link?
have heard that but haven't seen the hard evidence.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #2
14. found it
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:27 PM
Response to Original message
6. Why are Americans killing Iraqis DAILY?
Why are they shooting randomly, subjugating, humiliating and brutalizing Iraqi citizens, +++INNOCENT CIVILIANS+++, DAILY??? WHO are the REAL "terrorists?"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Now Karenina, America is killing to bring peace and spread democracy
Those damn evil-doers are just killing to spread terror.


Yeah, I typed that with a straight face.(Not)

Amazing isn't it? Torture is good if you torture the "enemy"...torture is bad if you torture the "hero"

innocent people dying is good if it's the "enemy".....innocent people dying is bad if they are seen as "allies"

How many people that disagreed with Bush's war died today?

How many that support it have joined the military today?

The sheer madness of it all....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. It MUST have been Al-CIAda
(OOPS! Did I spell that right?) :evilgrin: One poster here today wanted ALL MUSLIMS to take to the street and demonstrate against the tragic events in London. Guess he thinks they need to prove to Amurikkans that THEY are the "GOOD ONES." :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. I saw that
and thought the same thing.

then I thought, if they took to the streets to "prove" their worth, it would only be to save their life - since some people have no problem attacking brown people on the street for just existing. And no one should have to do that...

I don't know who is behind the blasts in London - but I do know that giving into fear and hate....and buying the hype... only serves the purposes of Bush.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:26 PM
Response to Original message
10. You're forgetting the Daily Show's patented Body Count Conversion Rate
2,000 Massacred Congolese = 500 Drowned Bangladeshis = 45 Fire-bombed Iraqis = 12 Car-bombed Europeans = 1 Snipered American
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:16 PM
Response to Original message
13. Yep today was an "attack on humanity," but when it happens in Iraq...
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 05:29 PM by tandem5
to innocent civilians I believe its referred to as "Thursday." I Guess Iraqis aint human.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr 21st 2014, 07:46 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC