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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:08 PM
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Poll question: Are you glad that Judith Miller is in jail?
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 02:15 PM by cestpaspossible
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:10 PM
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1. Yes
I blame her for swaying public opinion to pro war. I recall so many times seeing her on tv talking about biological warfare and beating the war drum re: wmd in Iraq. As far as I'm concerned, she can rot in jail.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:12 PM
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2. Yes, and here's why:
The Miller/Fitzgerald Backstory

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/7/1148/62336

What a piece of work.
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Neerav B. Trivedi Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:12 PM
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3. Keep her treasonous butt in thier
Who needs her anyways.......
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Firenze777 Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:49 PM
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24. Wow
never heard that angle before, that she ruined an on-going investigation into terror related charities. I bet she is 'taking the 5th' on all of this....and loving it that MSM is mistakenly calling her noble!
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plcdude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:14 PM
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4. I voted no
I am not happy but I think she is in contempt of court clearly. I would be happy if she would stop protecting and shilling for this administration's unethical and treasonal behavior. She is protecting herself plain and simple, nothing else make sense.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:14 PM
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5. glad?
I'm not glad anyone is in jail and I'm a prosecutor. I'm glad the Supreme Court agreed that there is no reporter privilege and that reporters may not hide the truth and obstruct justice. I do not share the media's point of view that this ruling will hinder fact finding since I do not believe for a minute that the corporate media gives a shit about the truth. Anyway, this case is not aboutprotecting someone who blew the whistle on wrong doing. It is about protecting the wrong-doers themselves.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:16 PM
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8. ??
I'm not glad anyone is in jail and I'm a prosecutor.

You're not glad Charles Manson and the Unabomber are in jail? :wtf:

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:35 PM
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21. I accept it as necessary, but I take no pleasure in knowing it.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 02:36 PM by Deep13
"Glad" is an emotional reaction, not an objective assessment.

Anyway, they are not in jail, they are in prison. It's a nasty place. I would rather that Manson and the Unabomber had not killed anyone.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:04 PM
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25. I thought you were a prosecutor, not a semanticist
:eyes:

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:07 PM
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26. It's not semantics.
What someone thinks, feels, believes or decides are completely distinct ideas.

Anyway prosecutors are lawyers and laws are made of words.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:17 PM
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27. lol
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:15 PM
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6. I voted "other"
Here's why: I would prefer she didn't use the First Amendment as an excuse to hide a high level person from being indicted. That said, I think jail is where she belongs. She IS obstructing justice. If she had WRITTEN the story, she might have her "journalistic" integrity to hide behind. As it is, she is being complicit in revealing Plame's identity.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:15 PM
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7. I only wish she were doing hard time at Gitmo.
Unbelievable that she's being compared to MLKJr and Rosa Parks. :wtf:
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:22 PM
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9. Malloy said last night
she is hiding a criminal, possibly treasonous act.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:23 PM
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13. Way'at Truthseeker!
:hi:

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:22 PM
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10. Yes
She belongs there.

Hopefully she will contemplate the war crimes she abetted, develop a conscience, and then spill the beans. I'd be even happier if she would fully cooperate right now in exchange for a light sentence. She might, at that point, merit forgiveness... though, I doubt any Iraqi will ever forgive her and her ilk... or you and I for that matter. :(

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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:23 PM
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12. i'm glad,but her real crime is
pretending to be a reporter.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:27 PM
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17. LMAO!
True, true, true. I found a piece on her yesterday that I posted. Real good background information. If you're interested, here's the thread.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


:hi:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:23 PM
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11. Yes-she has plenty of tie to wash all that blood off her hands
Journalistic integrity my ass
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:24 PM
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14. I'd rather she just spill the beans already.
Enough with the phony drama.
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sshan2525 Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:25 PM
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15. Apples & Oranges..........
Look, she's had her head up Bush's ass so far she can see what he had for lunch and her colleagues consider her a back stabbing c*#t, but that has nothing to do with the principle of not giving up a source. You can argue that point separately. She deserves to be called out on her lousy reporting, not jailed for it.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:27 PM
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16. No
While it is gratifying to think of karma catching up to her for all her shameless cheerleading for Bush's war, that is not why she is in jail.

Anytime the government locks up a reporter for refusing to name a source it is a BAD THING. Whatever her sins in the past, Judith Miller is defending freedom of the press sitting in her cell today.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:34 PM
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20. sorry ,she isn`t protecting anything but her ass
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/7/3/17138/30618
Daily Kos: Political Analysis and other daily rants on the state of the nation. she`s not a reporter ,she`s an errand girl for the highest bidder
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:40 PM
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22. If she's just protecting her ass
Going to jail is a strange way of doing it.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:30 PM
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18. I would rather that she testified...
But since she refuses to testify, she is in the correct place.

But I'm not happy about it, no.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:31 PM
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19. when i saw her last night on tv walking
out of court on her way to the slammer ...well it made my day. i hope fitz can throw all the bastards that betrayed our country in jail. they were responsible for backing a war that will cost an unknown number of deaths and injuries, they have sold the american people the big lie,and they have corrupted our position in the world.
i never thought i`d agree with a federal prosecutor but i`m behind him 100%..
fuck`m them all-high`m high!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:41 PM
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23. No. She may be a lousy reporter but sources should be protected.
Without protection for sources we can kiss what remains of investigative journalism good-bye.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:30 PM
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29. No... they should be protected WITHOUT having to be anonymous!
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 03:32 PM by TahitiNut
This is all about the defense of whistle-blowers from retaliation for disclosing wrong-doing. That's the core of the media 'argument' for maintaining the anonymity of anyone who peddles anything.

But the fact of the matter is that it's NOT in the public interest to 'shield' wrong-doing under some misplaced privilege of the media, and that's what we get when we grant the anonymity of anyone who peddles anything.

Let's try to remember that it was the RETALIATION for whistle-blowing (a kind of whistle-blowing that's NOT currently 'protected" under our laws) that the media peddled ... and that cannot be viewed as being in the public interest!

Instead, we need a MASSIVE increase in the preemptive protection of whistle-blowers ... far beyond what currently exists.

When that's corrected, there is absolutely no rationale for a "shield law" that allows the corporate press to have a parasitic privilege based on the failure of our legislators to protect those who expose corruption to the disinfection of sunlight and public view.

Judith Miller (and the Times) are engaging in institutional HYPOCRISY on a grand scale.
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:44 PM
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32. You have done a remarkable job
of keeping this sorted out and on track.

I just want to thank you.

It is alarming how the seminal truth of things so often quickly spins out of control and into a sort of mass popular misconception.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:49 PM
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33. Thank you. (I needed that.)
I've been feeling that I'm whispering into the wind during a rock concert ... and getting drowned out by the trite regurgitations of the same ol' shit. (It's made me wonder whether I've gone deaf, figuratively speaking.)
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Zorbuddha Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:30 PM
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35. Hardly
You have offered an extraordinary insight here, and a refreshing humor elsewhere.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 03:45 PM
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40. TahitiNut; I read everything you post, especially
on this subject, as I know you know far more about this(most) subject(s), so when I need to learn the FACTS - I just read what you've posted, so i'll know. You are a far better source than 99.99999% of the journalists!

:yourock:


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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:19 PM
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37. IF YOU READ ANY POST IN THIS THREAD, READ #23 nt
:thumbsup:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:31 PM
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30. The War Propagandist was smiling as..
she was being driven off to a comfy country club jail. She will be more rich and famous due to this.The Bush Regime with her help pulled off one the grandest heists in history.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 05:16 PM
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36. I doubt
she's smiling right now, regardless of your ridiculous 'country club jail' comment.... have you ever been to jail?

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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:22 PM
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28. No, because I want justice, not specifically her jailing.
I want to know who outed Valerie Plame, whether any other agents were harmed (perhaps even killed) because of that action, and whether indeed it was an act of vengeance and control by the administration. I am confident I know the answer to the latter.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:57 PM
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34. I guess I'm a cynic.
Justice would be nice, but for the moment, I'll settle for a little schadenfreude
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:41 PM
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31. I'm an old farm boy.
And chickens coming home to roost always kind of makes me happy, to paraphrase Malcolm X.
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 03:19 PM
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38. ?
Malcolm X?
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coeur_de_lion Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-09-05 03:31 PM
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39. NO, I don't want her in jail, I want her to testify!
This lady is hiding something big. I'm sure Fitzgerald already knows what it is, but just needs her testimony to meet all the legal requirements. She wants to hide behind journalistic integrity, but integrity has never been her strong suit before.

No how, no way, would I ever keep my mouth shut and take a jail sentence for ANYONE. If I am in trouble and the authorities want info from me they can have it. I'd sing like a canary. Hell, I'd call the Washington Post and all my local newspapers and give them the whole story as well. I would know just which reporters to talk to.

So why would she keep her mouth shut? What is her payoff? I sure would like to know.
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