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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:26 PM
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Hurricane Dennis ain't lookin' good. I don't want another Ivan this soon!
I've been telling my kids that Ivan was a once in a lifetime storm (for a direct hit at any one place). Dennis might make me eat my words.

My house is right under that black line below.

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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:28 PM
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1. Batten down the hatches and hang in there.
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:31 PM
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2. Stormy decades ahead
Since we're entering a cyclical upswing in storm activity AND doing so at a time when ocean waters are warming up due to climate change, that "once in a lifetime" hurricane will probably become a familiar event.

Take a deep breath, because this is the new "normal" weather.
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DisassemblingHisLies Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:31 PM
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3. *hug for Brotherjohn*
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 01:32 PM by DisassemblingHisLies
I feel for ya - been there, done that many times. We're to the far left inside the projected path, & as you know, what they predict isn't always what happens.

In any case, we're sure to get some awful weather.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:32 PM
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4. Will Gitmo be gotmo?
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:43 PM
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13. I was wondering that. Is Gitmo on that peninsula about to be swiped? nt
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:45 PM
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16. i read they are taking some precautions
I don't know how good the precautions are, but somewhere earlier today I read that an announcement is being translated into 8 languages so that prisoners won't be terrified when the storm shutters go up. Horrible to think of people being shut up, not knowing what is happening, unable to escape, one of these storms. I would hope that we are doing our best to treat the prisoners humanely and keep them informed of what is going on.
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Gruenemann Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:51 PM
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22. No, Gitmo is near the eastern tip, not west. eom
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:32 PM
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5. no such thing as a "one in a lifetime" storm
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 01:32 PM by amazona
Not even Andrew. :-(

Keep an eye out and be safe.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:50 PM
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20. I guess I meant "once in a lifetime" for that strong, at this exact...
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 01:52 PM by Brotherjohn
... location (as a way of making my kids feel better).

I'm 43, and I went through Betsy in 1964 (or '65?), which was pretty much a direct hit on N.O. Then I went through Camille, but landfall was actually about 90 miles away in Mississippi. Then Andrew, but it was weakened by the time it hit me in Baton Rouge.

Then more recently, Opal, but it was 40 miles to the east. A few miles makes a huge difference with a strong storm. The catastrophic damage is limited to pretty much the core path of 20-40 miles.

Ivan was a direct hit on the FL/AL border, putting Pensacola right in the worst part (pretty much just to the outside of the eye wall, in the NE quadrant).

I guess I was hoping we wouldn't get that kind of hit for another decade or two, at least. We may yet avoid it, but so far, it's not looking good with Dennis.
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:34 PM
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6. Sorry you are under the gun again BJ (and it is only the start of July!)
I spent a week in Pensacola while evacuating from Jeanne and I would hate to see you guys get hit again as badly as you got it from Ivan. However, this far out, those tracks can change quite a bit.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:34 PM
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7. crap that looks like its right where it left off last year.
good luck up there.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:35 PM
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8. Is it too late to get out???
Please be careful. :hug:
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:55 PM
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26. Well, there's work (I can't just leave today). Although we've thought of.
... leaving tomorrow eveniong if need be.

But with hurricanes, that's a gamble. Inland hotels are already filling up. And if you go west or east, the hurricane could jog west or east, and you're just moving back into the path.

We have a strong building well inland (my office) with a generator. We can go there if it came to it.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:35 PM
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9. What do you guys do in this situation? Do you get in a basement or
the bathtup or ? I've been in some terrifying earthquakes before, but with those, there is no planning. With hurricanes you have to sit and wait for the terror. Are you stocked up on water and food?
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:42 PM
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11. Very few basements in FL
Some more modern homes have 1st floor hardened "safe rooms". You have to either board up and ride it out, or evacuate.
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:44 PM
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15. Shut the shutters or board up the windows and evacuate.
Most damage is from flooding (near the shore) and wind. Neither of which you can do much about and you don't want to be in the house when they tear it up.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:47 PM
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17. So what do you do? Go the the library or something? Where do you
evacuate to?
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:49 PM
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19. you evacuate 100 miles or more to the north usually
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 01:51 PM by amazona
Go to the library? For hurricane Georges, I know people who evacuated New Orleans all the way to Nashville and Dallas. You evacuate to where they have available hotel rooms, of course. Unless you like camping on the side of the road, which isn't always the safest if the storm maintains strength overland.

The library idea doesn't make sense. Once the lights go out, you won't find much food or water in a library.

Evacuating has real costs -- you pay for gas to transport yourself, the hotel room and food, you miss the work so if you're by the hour you're short on your paycheck. Many people won't evacuate around here unless it's mandatory.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:52 PM
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23. Well in the movies everyone goes to the library in a crisis
can't think of the movie - the one where the whole east coast froze over ... they said the library was the safest place to be. lol
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:21 PM
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40. At least 100 miles!
I've heard several stories of Tampa / St. Pete folks (I'm from Tampa) going to hotels and shelters (schools) in Orlando last year for Charlie only to find themselves in a direct hit when Charlie turned earlier than expected! Orlando is only about 50 miles ENE of Tampa.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:47 PM
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18. basement and bathtubs? You're thinking of tornados!
No basements around here, you'd be underwater and drowned in short order if there were, no doubt.


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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:57 PM
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27. We rode Ivan out in the only interior closet in our house (a big closet).
Will probably go get some water and canned food tonight. My wife just called and said gas lines are already incredibly long, and some stations are out.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:01 PM
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30. Good luck man, that sounds really scary.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:37 PM
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10. We go to Destin Fla every fall
It can't take much more of a beating than it's already had.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:54 PM
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25. we go in the spring. i love destin n/t
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:09 PM
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34. Do you stay off of Old 98?
We used to stay at the Frangista, but that was torn down 3 years ago, broke our hearts. You could step out the back door and be 50ft from the beach. We love it, no place like Destin.

Wheres your favorite place to eat?
Ours was Captain Dave's for evening meals.
The Whales Tail for breakfast.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:06 PM
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49. right on the beach
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 05:07 PM by seabeyond
we get a condo, family to do. did nerrvana ? the first year. hubby and i went to pensicola and got married unbeknown to the family, lol.

since has been destin. we have rented from a couple different places. there is a restaraunt down the way. can walk the beach to it. that is fun. captian cook the all you can eat? we do that one the last night of the trip. before then, wearing swimsuit an awfully lot. lol

havent been there last couple years. mother in law is trippin on akumal in mexico. we have another of those trips next march. i like destin better. more for the kids. way more
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:43 PM
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12. "broken levee blues"
keep your head above water brotherjohn
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:02 PM
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31. Luckily, we live at about ther highest elevation on the coast.
We're literally a stone's throw from Pensacola bay, but up on a bluff, and a few houses back. Most people don't even know there is that kind of elevation anywhere on the Gulf Coast at all (~75-100 feet).

So being back a few houses and behind a lot of trees, we're somewhat shielded from the wind. And the storm surge is no risk at all, even though it was 13 feet just below us.

I live less than a mile from where the I-10 bridge was demolished.
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Miami Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:44 PM
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14. I hope Dennis doesn't affect you like Ivan did
We were pretty lucky last year in South East Florida but this being a just as busy hurricane season, I'm afraid we won't be so lucky this time around. :scared:
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denese Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:51 PM
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21. as a fellow Floridian
I wish there was something comforting I could say.
Nothing you can really do to win in a fight with Mother Nature.
These things have been more and more unpredictable.
Last year one went out in the ocean, turned around in a big circle and came right back at us. Very scary.
Stay safe.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:52 PM
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24. my brother and his daughter in mobile. 5 days out
we will see

i am not in that area. how is mobile in the scheme of things
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:59 PM
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28. Mobile is at real risk too. It's just a bit to the west, although further
... inland.
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funkybutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:01 PM
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29. We're worried here in New Orleans too
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 02:02 PM by funkybutt
And we've got the FIRST EVER democratic grassroots summit (in Lousiana) scheduled for Saturday. Been working on this event for months and everything printed has July 9 on it. We could be evacuating that morning instead of organizing.

www.beaucoupblues.com

I sure hope this thing stays to our east but this is just one track. Other computer models have it going straight up the Mississippi (which is a worst case scenario for those of us in the Big Easy
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:04 PM
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32. I hope N.O. never gets that worst case scenario. It's my hometown.
I'd hate to see the flooding it would cause. Plus my mom is very ill and they live on the West Bank (basically, surrounded by swamp).

I'd rather get it than have them get it right now.
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:14 PM
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37. No ill will to you BrotherJohn, but I agree.
The thought of one of those monsters getting into Ponchatrain and destroying my favorite city in the world is too much to consider.

All of you are in my thoughts and prayers. I've spent plenty of nights croughing in interior colosets myself and know first hand what is coming your way. Best of luck to you.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:11 PM
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50. Yes, that's what I've been seeing.
I trust the computer models more than the NHC model, too. The latest-run computer model puts Dennis going through NO and SW Mississippi.

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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:31 PM
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51. The uncertainty principal at work...
If I had a volcano handy I'd be looking for virgins to toss...the Gods like young blood.


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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:09 PM
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33. Is it Category 3 yet?
That's a bad mofo. I think the high pressure system over texas will push it away from our gulf coast and onto Florida's or MS or AL.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:16 PM
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35. My local weather wimp ( L.A., CA) just said sustained winds at 105 mph.
and the water is very warm... :(

Wishing everyone good luck & safety!
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:29 PM
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43. Max Sustained Winds of 105 mph = Cat-2
It's still mostly over warm water and will gain strength in the Gulf, so Cat-3 and maybe Cat-4 by the time it gets to the mainland!

Better take a hike if you're in it's path!

Dennis-the-Menace indeed! :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshs.shtml
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:11 PM
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48. It is now a Cat 3 - 115mph
Lot's of things can still happen to its path...time to sacrifice some virgins, wish I had a volcano handy...
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:10 PM
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36. I'm right across the bay from Mobile!
As BrotherJohn said, the worst weather is to the east of the hurricane. If the projection is right, it would put us directly to the west, but still a huge mess! The area I live in hasn't even recovered from Ivan yet and we just got through dealing with a direct hit from TS Arlene and being on the east side of Cindy. There are still tree limbs in my yard from this past Monday. Looks like the projected path is moving farther east though. Yesterday, it showed where I live directly east of the storm instead of west.

Everybody try to stay safe! This is just the first 5 weeks of hurricane season which lasts through November and if it stays like this, I may not survive because all of this makes me incredibly nervous and upset.

BrotherJohn, If you are right under that black line, then I know approximately where you live and I know you guys (at least the folks closer to the water) were devastated by Ivan and haven't recovered either. My thoughts are with you.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:17 PM
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38. screw that
Just watch the news and if it looks like it's coming your way then pack the kiddies and your forms and move out of there. I'm in SC if you need some place to go. If we get taken out later in the season then I will hit you up.

Just leave, nothing to ride out. Screw that.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:20 PM
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39. UPDATE to ALL: Change of plans! If the forecast holds, we're leaving!
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 03:22 PM by Brotherjohn
If by tomorrow PM, it's still making a beeline for us and is forecast to be a Cat 3, we're outta here!

Thanks for everyone's concern. :hi:
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:22 PM
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41. Are you in Pensacola, Brotherjohn?
I read on another board that people are freaking out there. Lines at gas stations and grocery stores already. :(

We were supposed to go to Destin this Saturday for vacation.

I hate this for all you folks down near the Gulf coast. I know lots of places have not even begun to recover from Ivan. To get hit again is just unfair.

Stay safe. :hug:
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:24 PM
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42. Yep. I just went to get gas. Lines EVERYWHERE.
If you're coming to destin, I'd think twice... at least wait until tomorrow PM, and if it's still headed this way, reconsider.

If you live far inland and are driving, I guess you have a place to go back to if things are looking bleak, though.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:40 PM
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46. We're in Birmingham
I'm taking a "wait and see" about the vacation. If it turns out not to be so bad, we might try to come on down on Tuesday or so.

Vacation is no big deal, though. We've been lucky in all the years we have been going down there to never have been hurricaned out until now.

My thoughts are with all of you folks who live in the coastal areas.

Keep us posted on how ya'll are doing if you are able to get online.
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Baclava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:02 PM
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47. Dennis up to Cat 3 - 115mph now...Plywood goes up tomorrow...
Beer and gas and ice...I ain't goin' anywhere.
My house has been through Opal, Erin and now Ivan without losing a shingle...maybe my luck will hold...I'm 3 mi inland in FWB.
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funkybutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:32 PM
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44. Better book your hotel and get those reservations b/c
North Louisiana hotels have already booked up. Monroe and Shreveport are full already.
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:39 PM
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45. I have family about 3 hours NE and will go there if it gets bad.
They will probably get some of the bad weather too, but hopefully not quite as bad. I just would really worry about tornados that come off of the hurricane up there. They can be really deadly as well.

The traffic may be really horrible. During hurricane Ivan, a 3 hr. drive took about 6 hrs. Really horrible. Hopefully they will make all 4 lanes of the interstate go N.

Like BrotherJohn, if it is still coming our way by tomorrow evening, I will leave also. In fact, they will probably call for a mandatory evacuation.
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:12 PM
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52. Dennis is now a MAJOR Catagory 3
Max Sustained Winds = 130 mph !!!

At 131 mph it's a Catagory 4 - WOW!!!

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT4+shtml/07...
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shawmut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:54 PM
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53. Almost a cat 4, winds up the 130mph
the pressure is dropping very fast, down to 951mb/28.07"






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