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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:27 PM
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I wonder how Chirac is feeling today.
Given his comments about British cuisine, he must feel a little like a heel today. Any comments from him?
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:28 PM
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1. Taller than Bush.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:29 PM
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3. Exactly.
Didn't take very long for this administration to exploit the attacks.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:28 PM
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2. Why would he feel like a heel?
Sure, it's horrible that something happened in London, but that still doesn't negate their lousy cuisine. I mean, eel pie? Come on!
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:31 PM
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5. LOL
I've often said that if you really want to enjoy the food in France, visit England first.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:32 PM
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6. LOL!
Good point. I've never eaten eel pie. Ick!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:41 PM
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13. I thought 'British cuisine' was an oxymoron.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 12:43 PM by NCevilDUer
(But I really do like fish n chips with a pint of half and half.)
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:35 PM
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17. If he feels like a heel, he should visit the UK
where he can order blackened heel in clotted cream as a desert.

Personally, I feel like having quail for lunch, but since I'm not in France, I'll probably settle for a salad.

:)
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julianer Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:49 PM
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30. Mmmmm,, eel pie
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:50 PM
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31. Ick.
All I can think of when I hear the word "eel" is The Tin Drum by Gunter Grass. Too vivid.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:30 PM
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4. He probably feels great for protecting his countrymen...
by not getting them involved in Iraq.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:33 PM
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7. What a bizarre speculation
Why the hell should Chirac feel like a heel for having made a comment about British cuisine because some terrorists bombed their subway system today? Talk about apples and oranges -- this is the kind of comment which sounds like something straight out of freeperville and their irrational hatred of the French.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:34 PM
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8. Speaking of bizzare speculation.
Me a freeper? I don't think so. Not in a million life times.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:35 PM
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9. You're both right.
I mean, there is no reason Chriac should feel remorse or anything like that.

But maybe the OP wasn't attacking him or saying he should.

It could just be speculation. Wondering how Chriac feels, if this is something on his mind or if it hasn't even occured to him.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:36 PM
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10. Thank you!
I am not saying the cuisine doesn't suck or he was wrong in saying so. Just wondering how he feels today is all. Don't flame me. I didn't wear flame-retardant material today. :-)
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:37 PM
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11. You might want to invest in some.
It's good to have here.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:38 PM
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12. Good advice.
I HATE it when someone calls me the F word. It makes my skin crawl. You are a gem for being kind.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:23 PM
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19. Then consider before you post
You authored an entire thread on this forum which by some convoluted logic tied Chirac's comments about British cuisine to the subway bombings in London. Where the hell did that come from, anyway, if not from the blue? If you don't want to be mistaken for a freeper, don't post like one.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:27 PM
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21. NEVER did I tie it to the bombings.
Stop starting trouble, and stop assuming things. It would be like me calling someone's friend a loser and then they died. Would I still consider them a loser? Maybe. Would I feel bad I did it? Most definitely. Quit looking at everything in B&W and if you don't like my thread, don't fucking respond. Got it? Enough said.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:34 PM
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22. You authored this thread...
... which smacks of the kind of irrational French-bashing I would expect from Faux News or Hate Radio.

Tell me, should George W. Bush feel badly today because his lies and an illegal war waged against Iraq fostered even more hatred and terrorism, real actions which might be directly related to the terrorists attacks today? Should George, perhaps, feel like the real heel here?

Why the hell should Chirac feel badly for the terrorist attacks today because he made some stupid comment about British cuisine? If you want a real heel look closer to home -- like Pennsylvania Ave.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:38 PM
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24. Don't preach to me, Handpuppet!
The LAST thing I would do is place "blame" on Chirac. His comments were NOT just about cuisine, it was about Brits in general. Being of British stock, I feel insulted, and not about the cuisine (which does suck). STOP making this a big fucking issue. I don't need a lesson in etiquette and I DON'T need YOU to tell me what I can and cannot post. If I felt it was insensitive or missed the mark then I would recant. It was a general question, not an assumption that he was wrong. Now fuck the hell off.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:02 PM
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33. I'm also of British stock
So what?

This post and at least one you posted below belie your innocence about the true intent of this "speculative" thread. If you're pissed about Chirac or something he said about British culture or cuisine, that's one thing. But to use the terrorist bombings as a segue to do a little French-bashing, that's really the kind of thing I would NOT expect here.

So you'd like me to "fuck the hell off"? Would you like some Freedom Fries with that?

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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:08 PM
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35. LMAO!
Whatever. You obviously have some sort of hard-on for my thread. Freedom fries? How pathetic.
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Tomee450 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:42 PM
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14. Was Chirac wrong?
I've always heard that British cuisine was pretty bad.
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cssmall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:43 PM
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15. I am waiting for. . .
"Didja see that Chirac? He didnt 'pologize right 'way for 'em comments. French Surrenderist sumabitch pro'ly let'em through the Chunnel."

Fucking horrific dolts in America would believe it. Watch Hannity tonight and you'll hear it. Promise!
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:33 PM
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16. Under bushco, the chances of horrors happening on a daily
basis are a reality.

If we all held our tongues for fear of what might happen tomorrow, the world would be a very quiet place, especially when you can rest assured that something horrible will happen on a daily basis.

Bad Brit food is a given, like the sun rising in the morning. I wouldn't expect Chirac to opine that the sun won't rise tomorrow. Why should anyone feel remorse that expressed a given about Brit food?
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KelleyKramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:52 PM
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18. Probably still glad he didnt buy the WMD lie

Those nasty French were not stupid enough to believe the lie about Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Those idiots in France wouldnt let their children die looking for non-existent WMD's

Well I guess we showed them didnt we?!

Want some Freedom Fries?

Ooops, just remembered that the Repub congressman who sponsored that bill has now called for an Iraq withdrawal timetable.

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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:26 PM
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20. The Guardian newspaper says he was at Blair's side...
...when Blair read the statement about G-8 solidarity in the face of the attacks. I haven't read a statement from Chirac himself.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g8/story/0,,1523092,00.html
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:12 PM
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37. French reaction
Le prsident Jacques Chirac a exprim, jeudi matin, au premier ministre britannique, Tony Blair, en sance au G8 de Gleneagles, toute son "horreur" et "la totale solidarit de la France" aprs la srie d'explosions qui ont frapp Londres, a rapport le porte-parole de la prsidence.

De son ct, le premier ministre, Dominique de Villepin, a annonc le relvement du plan Vigipirate au niveau rouge aprs les explosions survenues dans la matine. Le plan Vigipirate compte quatre phases correspondant quatre couleurs : jaune, orange, rouge et carlate. Le premier ministre a exprim, dans une dclaration Matignon, sa "solidarit la plus profonde", son "amiti" et son "soutien tout le peuple britannique, et en particulier aux habitants de la ville de Londres"."C'est un drame pour la Grande-Bretagne, pour l'Europe toute entire, qui avait dj t frappe Madrid en mars 2004", a-t-il dit. Outre le ministre de l'intrieur, Nicolas Sarkozy, M. de Villepin a reu ses ministres de la dfense, Michle Alliot-Marie, et des affaires trangres, Philippe Douste-Blazy.

Le Snat franais a suspendu sa sance jeudi par respect aprs la srie d'explosions qui a touch Londres.

"TOUS LONDONIENS"

Le maire de Paris, Bertrand Delano, a dclar que "nous sommes tous, en cet instant, londoniens", jeudi au Bourget. De son ct, Franois Hollande, premier secrtaire du PS, a exprim la "totale solidarit" de son parti avec les Britanniques, en ajoutant que les attentats survenus Londres "rappellent que nous sommes tous concerns par le flau du terrorisme". "Je tiens, au nom du Parti socialiste, exprimer notre forte motion et notre consternation face aux attentats horribles qui viennent d'tre perptrs Londres ce matin, et qui frappent une nouvelle fois des lieux frquents par des populations de toutes conditions et de toutes origines", a indiqu Franois Hollande dans un communiqu. Le numro un du PS a ajout que "sur le plan intrieur, (...) le PS soutiendra toute action visant protger nos concitoyens contre les menaces terroristes dans le respect du droit".

-plus-

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/articleinteractif/0,41-0@2-32...
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:28 PM
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38. Tres bien et Merci! n/t
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:35 PM
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23. i'm going to guess---horrified.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:41 PM
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25. Huh? How exactly do you connect a crack about british food to this?
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 04:42 PM by K-W
I would hope Chirac isnt prone to feel bad about something he shouldnt feel bad about.

Since when is making a cliche joke about a country before a terrorist attack you had no idea would happen something to feel guilty about?
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:42 PM
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26. It wasn't just about food.
He was hateful in general to the Brits.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:46 PM
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28. Hateful? ... right.
And even if he did hate england, what on earth does that have to do with this attack, it is a completely bogus link.

I hate Bush if I hate anyone and if he got hit by a car tommarow I wouldnt feel guilty.
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julianer Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:57 PM
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32. Can I just say that
the reason Chirac was making snide remarks about us Brits is that he is in a very tenuous position politically in France.

He is merely playing to the extreme right wing and Le Pen's fascists. If he can consolidate the right around his party they may be able to beat a badly split left at the next elections.

If he can't there is an outside possibility that the far right and the far left could form the two biggest factions with both centre groups shrinking. Potentially a Besancenot v Le Pen presidential run-off? Very interesting indeed.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 06:33 PM
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39. mispost, ignore
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 06:35 PM by K-W
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:45 PM
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27. Well, he gave a press conference from Scotland
but CNN cut away as he was explaining the need to continue the work at hand regarding poverty, to do some more "Terra! Terra"

He started out offering sympathy and solidarity.
He didn't mention "must stay the course on them terraist, to show our resolve to not take away our freedom who is on the march".

He spoke very slowly like he always does and which I find kinda annoying.

I really do wonder how he feels, but I don't think guilt is part of his feelings.

I am also not sure the reasons some countries didn't support the Iraq war were the right ones...

The only ones I trust to be right on the war, for the right reasons, are the millions of people who marched against it.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 04:47 PM
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29. "I really do wonder how he feels"
Finally! A voice of reason. I was only wondering how he felt and suddenly I am considered a, well, I won't say it.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:07 PM
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34. Well, I have to agree your OP can easily be misconstrued as misplaced
but I also find logic in the analogy in your post #21. I do think your hurt feelings clouded your judgment a little so as to pose a "coloured" question.

As a European, I feel things like "freedom fries" or the "chocolate summit" are very insulting.

So I felt insulted when even Randi Rhodes bashed the French, and can understand why you felt insulted by Chirac and why some posters found your question unappropriate.

I know that DU can be a paranoid place and you have to be ready for heated discussion. To be honest I don't think you're a .. well, you know :-)

Don't care too much, just let it sink :-)

PS: why I'm curious about Chirac's feelings is not in light of his remarks about the cuisine etc, but because I do think he's got to have mixed emotions when shit like this happens. No one in their right mind thinks terrorism (if that's what it is!) is OK, but he's got to have a certain "they had it coming and I told them so" feeling.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 05:10 PM
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36. You are truly a blessing.
I am not one to start these hate-threads and believe you me, I wouldn't have if I thought it was insensitive, which I don't. Nice to know some people can see the forest through the trees. I will eat my freedom fries with my Beaujolais. :-)
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