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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:04 AM
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People died today
Let us remember that and respect those that perished. Do not spin this for political gain, as that lacks humanity. Instead pray, remember or express your sorrow for the victims and their families. There will be plenty of time in the future to discuss why we are losing the war.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:06 AM
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1. People die as a result of violence every damn day of the week
What ONE person calls "spinning" another might rightfully call insight into the senseless deaths of others.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:12 AM
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11. But the ones who died today were actual PEOPLE
Don't you understand?
:sarcasm:

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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:26 AM
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20. You don't mean (GASP)...
...WHITE people????
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:38 AM
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27. You could say that.
Beyond this being (another) terrible event which shouldn't have happened... I'd say these shut-up posts have more than a touch of kneejerk Anglocentrism behind them.

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:49 AM
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30. 20 years ago, I visited London as part of a tour...
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 11:52 AM by KansDem
As part of the package we received tickets to a couple of plays. Instead of attending with the rest of the group, I ventured out to sample London night life on my own. With the suggestion of a porter (he was Irish), I visited an Irish pub in a working part of London. It was there I sampled for the first time a "pint of bitter." I also shot what was called "European 8-ball." I challenged a couple of locals to a game and, after they left, I too was challenged by a new arrival. We played for pints in friendly games that were very reminiscent of the games played here in neighborhood bars. I also learned a lot about this "new game." Did you know that Europe uses smaller balls, narrower pockets, and that the balls are all either solid red or yellow with no numbers? (except the eight ball, or course). I marveled at the British accent of my competitor and wondered if the entire country was just as articulate.

Oh, I almost forgot. My competitor was a black man.

We played several games (it was a week night and there were not many customers so we had no challengers), before I needed to leave to return to my hotel.

I say this only because I saw many colors on the streets of London. And in the subway too. I understand there are many non-whites living in London. It is a very cosmopolitan city.

Now, you can make a generalization like the one in the subject of your post. I might even sympathize with your intent as I too experience the same kind of news reporting as you have in this country. But, I might suggest that since bombs don't limit themselves to a single ethnic/racial group when detonated in a confined environment like a subway system, you might lighten up a bit.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:59 AM
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32. Yeah, Iraq isn't nearly as multiculturally cosmopolitan as London.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 11:59 AM by stickdog
Basically, all they've got is Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:25 PM
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33. I believe the comment was about DUer attitudes
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 12:30 PM by cprise
...not about the ethnic reality of London.

BTW it was the area around the financial district that was bombed. I suppose the kneejerk response could have just as much to do with that.

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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:16 AM
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16. And people are dying from poverty right now... right now
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:18 AM
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18. And poverty is war on the poor
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:06 AM
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2. I agree. A terrible thing happened.
Let's not denigrate that. They deserve our sympathies, not snide comments.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:07 AM
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3. People are killed all the time.
And need I remind you this is a political website?

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:07 AM
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4. Respect those that perished by solving the problem.
Not by allowing it to continue to exist.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:08 AM
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5. It is pointless
I agree with you 100% but it is pointless.

The internet isn't about compassion. It's about making your point and being right.

I am taking a break for a while before some of the ugly shit I have seen here today causes me to have a stroke.



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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:09 AM
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6. I pray
for the americans people that die in 911, the Afghanistan people and Iraqies people that die daily, the British people that die today....... I wills till pray until it is answer.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:10 AM
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7. People have died every day since March 19, 2003
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 11:11 AM by bowens43
when the idiot oredered the invasion and occupation of Iraq. To not see this as a political issue is ridiculous. We can best show our respect for those that perished by working tirelessly to bring down the regime in DC, the regime that is responsible for the 500% increase in terrorist attacks.

When do we stop everything that we are doing to express our sorrow for the victims of the invasion and occupation?

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:11 AM
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8. People DIE everyday..
because of bush and blair and their enablers!!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:11 AM
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9. where were you when people died YESTERDAY...?
Or the day before? How many civilians have Americans and British murdered in Iraq since the early 1990's? What about their suffering, their grieving families, their terrified neighbors?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:37 PM
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40. Or Sept 10? I mourn the dead, but let's face it:
The politicians take real life events and spin them into irrational bushwa aimed at tugging peoples' hearts while draining their minds of their ability to THINK.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:12 AM
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10. if we dont get political change, people will continue to die
Our present course is only letting terrorism grow. We must change course and our only way to achieve that is through political change.

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:12 AM
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12. Amen!
:kick:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:13 AM
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13. If we take a break on the push for truth, then the bu$h regime
has successfully beaten us.
What about the American soldiers killed each day in Iraq? We don't stop and wait for that to end.
That is exactly what the right is trying to get us to think, that one can not question their power when in crisis.
We must never stop searching and questioning. That is how you honor those who lost their lives, both today and all the way back to 9/11.
I say a time of crisis is the very time that questions should be asked and scrutiny stepped up.

Yes we should remember and pray for the families of those who were killed today.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:15 AM
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14. My outrage and venting is because they were PEOPLE
People who died BECAUSE of all the bullshit going on in the world today. Some people have to react with anger etc.. It's their way of coping.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:16 AM
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15. it is already political
it's a political act

that does not diminish the personal loss and horror--I hope my friends in London are well

I grieve for those who have suffered unimaginable loss today.

If we wallow in the tragedy while the enemies of humanity are capitalizing politically--as they did within MINUTES following 9-11 and as they already are doing now--we will be doing our shared cause a disservice
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:16 AM
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17. Oh good.
Another shut up and don't say anything thread.

No thanks. I've expressed sympathy and I've talked politics today. This is a political website and I am certainly allowed to do BOTH.

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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:30 AM
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23. Now is the time to examine the roots of the terror and discuss it
so often people ignore WHY things happen until tragedy strikes.

I have expressed sympathy too, but no one can ignore the WHY.

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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:38 PM
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41. You radical.
:)

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Chichiri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:20 AM
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19. Wrong. This is EXACTLY the time to spin this.
We were silent on 9/11, and look what happened.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:31 AM
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24. Not all of the people who died or were injured in London were white
by the way. Not that it takes away from your real point, which is well taken.
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:27 PM
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37. No, you are
supposed to feel sorry for them because they are human beings.

Why is it impossible to feel sorry for both the Iraqis and the British?
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:34 PM
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38. Why is DU flooded with sanctimonious pleas for silence THIS time?
And if Iraqis were really to receive such sympathy, then all political commentary on DU would stop.

Please spare us the blanket demands and the hypocrisy.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:03 PM
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:38 PM
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49. This ass wishes you well, then.
But I would suggest that people having a particular sensitivity to the UK just log off for the day.

The situation is lousy enough without double-standards being introduced to these discussions.

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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:29 AM
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22. Part of the reason people are dying...
...is because of moronic rhetoric about how this is a "war" that "we" are fighting against "them". No offense, but there it is.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:36 AM
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25. without people like you,
telling me what to do, i'd be lost.
no really.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:37 AM
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26. It's not too much to ask that partisan bullshit stop for one day.
It's considerate of the feelings of anyone hurting today.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:25 PM
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34. dammit, what about the people the U.S. and Britain are killing...
...EVERYDAY? They don't deserve the same degree of sympathy? TEN TIMES as many people died in Iraq yesterday as were killed by bombs in London today. Where were your tender sympathies then? Was their suffering somehow less meaningful?

People will continue to die until the tide of outrage sweeps these pigs from office and changes the way we treat the rest of the world, and in particular the poor and non-white part of it. Setting aside my anger over my country's crimes for a day is NOT the way to show sympathy toward ANY of the victims of those crimes.
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uncle ray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:50 PM
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47. it isn't partisan bullshit
personally i couldn't give a fuck less if we had a GOOD Republican, or a GOOD Democratic president, but we DON'T, we have GWB* and he is largely responsible for the situation we are in!

this is a fucking war, there are no "days off".
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GeekMonkey Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:38 AM
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28. If we allow their deaths to go without political consequences
then we lack humanity

to sit around and disrespect the dead out of respect for the dead is disresectful

and it IS disrespecting the dead to try to get people to shut up and not counter the spin coming from the right wing on this

have a little humanity, get involved, BE ACTIVE

RIGHT NOW!
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:47 AM
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29. War has hardened the hearts of many
Sadly it seems to have affected liberals as well as the right wingers.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:41 PM
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43. Do you only respond to your own posts? Many people have posted
to your thread... you should respond to them.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:40 PM
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50. My comment was directed to all those that feel this incident
Is nothing but political fodder. Can you imagine how we Americans would have felt if people reacted ,like we are to this attack, after 9/11? Time for talk will come, but why at least wait to the bodies cold?
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:48 PM
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53. "Nothing but political fodder"... I have seen NO posts saying that...
it is NOTHING but political fodder. Why are you trying to imply that people are saying that? And what is wrong with discussing the possible reasons that this might have happened, or the importance of our government taking responsibility in their war on terror? I would HOPE that people discussed these things after 9/11. If they didn't... they sure as hell should have.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:58 AM
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31. Man, if you wait too long Bush and the republicans will define the tragedy
for us. Then we will be the victims of a new round of misguided, trumped-up reprisals. Widening war perhaps. With the 24 hr., instant, news cycle, there is, unfortunately, no time for such sentimentalism. You have friends there? Relatives? Or, you just feel overwhelmingly close? Turn off the computer and address your grief, administer your support.

But, our discussion here is part and parcel of our efforts to end the cycle of violence perpetuated by Bush's mindless aggression. It is out of respect for all human lives to be vigilant and resolved to hold those perpetuating the violence responsible, along with the actual perpetrators
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dolgoruky Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:26 PM
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35. I am an atheist
Therefore I am exempt. It's in the rules.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:26 PM
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36. How sad, that the proper acknowledgement of tragedy
is to view it through blinders.
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:37 PM
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39. Turn on your teevee.
The corporate media whores are spinning like tops. Perhaps you'd like to use this time to write them a note expressing your displeasure.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:39 PM
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42. People died today, and yesterday, and the day before, and every day
for years and years... and tomorrow more will die. Do not tell me who I should pray for. All of these victims of our world's violence which has been stoked furiously by our president deserve prayers (from those who pray) and compassion from everyone.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:43 PM
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44. Innocent Iraqis have been dying every day for the last 28 months.
The Londoners, the Iraqies, the Afghanis, the soldiers, the victims of 9/11, the victims of the Madrid bombings --- all are equally the victims of terrorism. It's madness.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:45 PM
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46. deleted
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 12:45 PM by redqueen
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:45 PM
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45. Trying to prevent more deaths by stopping tyrannical policies is NOT
politicizing them, it is honoring them.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:41 PM
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51. You can mourn the passing and still be angry at the situation
You have to remember, their deaths were political.

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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:41 PM
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52. people die every day
how do you determine the correct way to dispense grief, kindness, or self-righteousness?

in what amounts?

who is more worthy?
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