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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:48 AM
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How do we know that Tony's government is telling the truth now?
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 10:51 AM by Hubert Flottz
It could have been anybody that planted those hellish devices. Tony and Shrub lie about everything else and shape the evidence to fit their wants and needs. We know they have lied before! Anyone could have claimed responsibility for the dreadful explosions in London this morning. How can anyone believe what Bush or Blair say anymore? It could have been someone protesting the G8 meeting and they'd(Bush & Blair)lie about it!

My point is, liars lie!
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:50 AM
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1. about as truthful as cousin george
King George Bush the second = KGB II
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:52 AM
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2. KGB II
Is Reich!
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:53 AM
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3. The only person Blair can lie to
about this is himself. How it personally affects his conscience in a war he felt strongly enough about to follow knaves and fools is something he is not revealing.

I would think without a relentless bunch of lying spinners like Bush commands that a stake has been driven into Blair. He is the big loser in this and he certainly earned the right.

It isn't what they might lie about as much as what they can't say about the truth of Iraq. Won't say as they enter into the emotional drama of this tragedy as if it were not connected to their personal decisions against the better judgment of the British public.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:03 AM
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6. Still they will use this to cover their asses if they can!
It could have been the IRA or anyone, but blaming it on "Arab Terrorists" helps to make Bush & Blair's case for "staying the course"! As if to say, "SEE...we were right all along!"

You can't believe a damned liar! Once someone lies to me and I find out about it, I NEVER really trust them again!
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:58 AM
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4. Absolutely
Notice it is a brand new terrorist organization that claimed responsibility. How handy. A new organiation. NO, don't know nothin' about them; they're new. How about that. Possibly a lie? Well, if WMD to start a war were a lie, and we know with a certainty that was the case, then what lie is beyond them?

It's important to remember that previous lies from these same people cost the lives of many thousands of people. The Iraq war, for political control to the idealists (that's what it means to the conservatives, we need to "control" the middle east, politically and economically, and that's just all there is to it, ask them, they'll tell you), for oil to the liberals, but in the end, it was all about killing. Murders. Period.

Yeah, it could be a lie, this "brand new" terrorist organization line, because they've done it before, when the stakes were high. Very high.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:35 PM
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14. who benefits?
brand new terrist org..

followed by same ole terrsit org
followed by yet another brand new terrsit org

COME-ON!

bush and blair did the terrsit attacks and thats the way of royalty

More money for security
GWOT
more police state til the middle class collapses which is the terrsist goal


give me a break!

9/11/01
3/11/04
7/7/05

the MO is da same cuz the same criminals did it

the bush crime family syndicate is not giving up power

this is distraction from bush impeachment focus..which is gaining
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julianer Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:58 AM
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5. It is not likely
that this is anything other than what it seems - a terrorist attack.

There is no sign that anyone is trying to manipulate public opinion. If they did try they are not likely to get very far. It would be far too risky politically to do anything but play this very straight and open, IMO.

We'll see, though...
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:05 AM
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7. This is a terrorist act
By it's very nature, it was meant to "manipulate public opinion"

The fact that it was a terrorist attack is not in question. It obviously was. The true identities of the criminals IS in question, along with any information about them, from all sources.

From this source, one questions, unless one believes in WMD in Iraq...one questions the answers, especially the quickly give ones, from this government. They have a track record. They've lied about VERY important, life and death issues before. It is not a fact to be ignored, not now, not ever.

A new terrorist organization, eh? We'll see what else they say.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:15 AM
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8. If they said it on CNN, then By-Gawd it must be the truth????
BUSHHHHHHHHHIT!

Lying liars lie!

Those Boys have cried Wolf sooooo many times, what can we believe?

The first day after the Okalahoma City blast, CNN was reporting Arab Terrorists did it! Any nutcase could have put that stuff on the website CNN is talking about!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:25 AM
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9. BTW...
Welcome to DU julianer and whatever4.
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julianer Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:29 AM
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11. Thanks!
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:49 PM
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15. and thanks again :) nt
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julianer Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:29 AM
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10. Yes but what I'm saying
is that if this was an inside job it would be accompanied by a media propaganda assault. That hasn't happened yet, indeed the deputy police chief has just specifically rejected the idea that this was the work of 'islamic terrorists'. He denies that there is such a thing.

They may have lied to us before, but loads of us knew it at the time and plenty more do now. We are not that easy to lie to.

It would, IMO, be too risky for them to do this sort of thing for any number of reasons.
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:58 PM
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16. Point is, some one DID do it
It may have been too risky, but someone did it anyway.

Fact is, I think BushCo are the only ones I know of crazy enough to do it. North Korea has more restraint, China has more tact, Russia has more brains. I'm not saying it wasn't a group of militant terrorists. But I don't think it's reasonable to believe it had to be because they "wouldn't do that". I think they would.

Media propoganda assault? It still may happen, the day isn't over yet. For now, they just let it sink in. See how everyone takes it. Then they start the spin, polticians make the official statements, they dutifully report them.

This action may have been risky, but if they deemed it necessary, it would have been done. JUST like that, flawlessly, no suspects, just death and destruction, with no one to blame.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:30 AM
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12. He's always told the truth, hasn't he? Why should we disbelieve him now?
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 11:32 AM by TruthIsAll
{Cough}

<sarcasm off>
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:46 AM
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13. Wouldn't it be great if we could TRUST our government again?
The "Uniter" was a line of Bullshit and everything from that point to this, has been a total pack of lies! A person would be a damned FOOL to believe anything the GOPers say! Faith Based Anything is a joke as long as Bush is in the mix! Blair is just as guilty of coloring the facts!

I can't believe, how the people in the US and the UK get played for suckers time and time again and they still Trust those two liars!!!!
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