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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:48 AM
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Anybody else feel dirty?
I know I do..... If we had not LIED about reasons for dragging the UK into the war.... 45+ people might NOT be dead right now.
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dolgoruky Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:50 AM
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1. We didn't lie...
... Bush and Blair did. I don't like to be associated with those muthafuggas. I didn't vote for them!
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:58 AM
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5. neither did I but somehow.... i still feel like if OUR GOV'T hadn't....
then the UK would have made a better discision...
It will always be beyond me why the blokes weren't smarter about this......
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:51 AM
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2. no I didn't lie about anything
The way I remember it, millions of Americans came out and protested in a coordinated protest, one of the biggest in American history, in the run-up to the war in Iraq.

No one lied. It all unfolded exactly as progressives warned it would.

The only people who should feel dirty are the terrorists and those who would waste our resources on stealing Iraq when we have a real war going on with evil.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:57 AM
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4. Yes, those evil terrorists have nothing to do with our plundering
Two separate issues. They're crazy religious zealots who don't even appreciate what we're doing to them. :eyes:
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:00 AM
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7. NO,.... you're right they LIKE having us interfer with their civil war....
How would we have really felt if another nation had become involved in our civil war (say if Britain HAD aided the confederacy)?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:21 AM
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15. Americans and people around the world protested setting a,...
,...historical precedent. We knew the aftermath of this war would be the fire that ignited a cycle of violence.

FUCK!!! I am so freakin' angry at this whole disgusting web of bloody fire.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:33 AM
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18. "It all unfolded exactly as progressives warned it would."
That is so exactly right. None of us are experts on national security, yet ALL of us could see where Bush's disastrous policies would lead.

And yet the dumbfuck repukes STILL try to pretend that we opposed (and continue to oppose) Bush simply for "political" reasons. No, assholes, we oppose Bush because he is flat-out THE most incompetent bungler ever to occupy the Oval Office. Proof of his failures can be found EVERYWHERE, and more of it every damned day.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:52 AM
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3. Not at all.
"We" didn't lie; the head of MI6 told Blair that the case for the war was a load of bollocks, and he went ahead anyway. It's on Blair, and Bush. My conscience is just fine.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:02 AM
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11. The correct answer.
Very well said.
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Tommymac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:31 AM
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17. Well spoke. nt
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:59 AM
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6. Nope. I had nothing to do with the lying.
I was over in my corner of the US trying to yell out my truthin'.

And I'm afraid that death count will go up. :cry:
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:02 AM
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10. I think we all felt a little like Cassandra.....
I fear that there will be many more to mourn before the day is out....
God keep the families of the victims.... and the First Responders in London..... the horrible things they'll see
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:04 AM
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12. Hear hear.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 10:04 AM by Bouncy Ball
God keep them.

This is sinking in for me and getting to me more and more. Those poor people...
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:00 AM
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8. Not dirty, but very sad.
:cry:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:01 AM
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9. Only in the sense that my tax dollars
are financing the murdering of innocent people. And had we all been more politically involved years ago, more aware of the neocon threat, could this have been prevented?
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:05 AM
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13. Adding more the "Cassandra Syndrome"..... In 1994....
with the Contract ON America.... I knew we were gonna be fucked....
None of those fuckers even bought me a drink!
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:20 AM
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14. I feel guilty. I supported the war in the beginning. I believed the lies.
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 10:21 AM by IanDB1
It wasn't that I believed Bush.

It was because when Colin Powell stood in front of the cameras, I trusted Colin Powell and I believed Colin Powell.

It was when I saw the footage on TV of the art museums being looted that I realized the war is a lie.

The places where WMDs and the places where documents providing evidence of them would have been weren't being guarded. The museums weren't being guarded.

That was when I knew we weren't there because there were WMDs and we weren't there to Win The Hearts and Minds of the Iraqi people.

So, while I went in the streets to protest the stolen election of 2000, I still did nothing to protest the beginning of the war in Iraq.

I believed the lies and I feel stupid, guilty and angry.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:27 AM
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16. Don't! You were betrayed. That's not your fault.
Anger, fine. Stupid and guilty, don't do that to yourself. We SHOULD be able to trust our government to level with us because we are suppose to be living in a democracy free of deceptive tyranny. BUT, deceptive tyrants are running this country at the moment. THEY are responsible for betraying our people and for exploiting our people.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:58 AM
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19. No it's not our fault.... but I fear the bad karma we are creating...
By not stopping this war "by any means necessary"... but it quite possibly could have meant taking up arms against our own government.

I guess that old 20/20 hindsite is what really shows us what causes are "light and transient" and which ones are not.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:12 AM
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22. The hope would be that our contrition
would spread through this administration and its adherents.

Can't they all see what their policies do to innocent people, to the economies of the world? I suppose the evil don't burden themselves with sorrow. There's always another drink or pill waiting, another plot to carry out and cover up, another prostitute to invite into the White House.

We are sad for the karma we helped create. If I were them, I would live in fear every moment of the day. Their own karma will blindside them like a herd of raging bison.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:57 AM
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24. I hope that we don't share in that karma.....
we were, as a nation, compliant
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:05 AM
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20. I was always against the war but when Blair and Powell spoke
I remember thinking "maybe they know something no one else does and can't tell us." Without further explanation I still didn't support it but it made my resignation easier.

I hate to say it but both Bush and Blair were reelected. I blame myself only in the sense that none of us were able to articulate to the (small) majority why this war was so wrong.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:21 AM
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23. If its related to Iraq...
But has there been any indication that it was related? Do they know anything now?
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:58 AM
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25. I think that what WAS not related on 9/11 may very well be related now....
because of our handy work
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:24 PM
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26. Yeah, I'm just saying, I don't know
I mean, for all we know, it could just be some fanatic in Britain or maybe from somewhere else who saw a chance to strike.

Something like the Anthrax killer here...
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