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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:25 AM
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My heart goes out to the people of London right now, but..
This is a political site. What happened today in London is tragic and sickening, but terrorism is part of politics. There are people here who have opinions on what the possible explanations could be on these attacks and they are voicing their opinions.
If you go back and read the archives from DU on 9-11 you will see that many people were expressing their political views concerning those attacks. I'm pretty certain that the majority here at DU are not trivializing today's attacks, but they also need to express their emotions and how they believe they tie into the politics of the day.
As some have posted on here already, this is going on over in Iraq every single day and the attacks hardly get mentioned at all. There are men and women from the "coalition" dying every day in Iraq and Afghanistan, but those reports have also seemed to be swept aside.
As I stated, today's attacks are a horrible tragedy and should not be looked at as "just part of life", but DU cannot stop being what it is because of those attacks. There might be some opinions that you will not agree with, or you might think are too bizarre, but that is what goes on here. It is not being disrespectful or rude to our fellow members from London, it is just what Democratic Underground is about... politics and a place to share our views with each other.

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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:28 AM
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1. to split the hair a little further
when it happens to a western nation we seem to take a lot more notice of it, even here on DU, than when it happens in one of those dusty pajama-wearing places.

Not that we're bad people - just an observation of a dynamic.

So . . . what are they running by us that this news cycle is hiding?????

Let's keep on top of the fast-ball they're going to throw that this was meant to distract from.

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getmeouttahere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:33 AM
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5. That's right, sui generis....
and I'll state the obvious but remind everyone that innocents are killed in Iraq every day...one of things I despise most about all of this is the lack of regard for the lives of those who are not Americans or part of this so called coalition.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:33 AM
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6. Exactly. Sort of like the missing-white-girl syndrome donchathink? nt
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:42 AM
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13. oh my god I got crucified for that
I'm still bitter.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:29 AM
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2. My sister is in London
She has been there a week. I tried to call her but the lines are jammed or broken. Now I am waiting to get an email from her.

Somehow reading that 'terrrorism is part of politics' is not very comforting to me right now.
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:30 AM
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3. Is being on DU comforting?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:37 AM
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10. It is a far better source of news
than CNN et al
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:32 AM
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4. CNNI is saying that phone and cell lines are down in many areas
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:38 AM
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11. I figured
damn
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:34 AM
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7. Don't read those threads.
Or log off. I hope your sister is ok!!!

:hug:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:39 AM
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12. Thanks I am just here
reading the news. Waiting for the phone to ring.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:34 AM
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8. I'm sorry and I hope that you get a hold of her soon
As I said, I am not trivializing what happened and I was not trying to comfort anyone. The majority of people here are intelligent enough to know that this attack is not something to throw aside, but although there is always a lot of support and compassion flowing through DU, there are still people who come here to discuss politics.
Please keep us updated on your sister. My thoughts are with you and her.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:43 AM
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14. Thanks johnnie
I really think she is probably okay. She is staying at a cottage outside of London. But she does a lot of sightseeing. She is over there every summer; her husband's company has an office there and he spends about half his time in London. He came home yesterday but she is staying for 2 more weeks. There was some art exhibit she wanted to see in London . . .

I hope she wasn't going today.
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:16 AM
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37. son just returned
and I was up all night thinking of him still being there (took the tube every day) and how crazed I would be. Thinking of you!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:37 PM
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40. Thanks
Still no word from her but phones are tied up.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 11:20 AM
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38. OMG, I hope your sister is OK!
:hug: I can't imagine how you must feel. Positive thoughts! She'll be alright! :hug:
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:41 PM
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41. We believe she is okay
She is outside of London in a rural area. Unless she decided to go into London today then she is okay. Her son - my nephew - said he didn't think she would have been on a train that early in the morning and during rush hour to go into London.

But I sure wish she would call. My mother is worried sick.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:36 AM
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9. Thank you!
Well-spoken and reasoned.
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wurzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:48 AM
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15. Every day when these bombs go off in Baghdad this is how Iraqis must feel.
And they feel it every day. It would be comforting to think some good can come of it. But I doubt it.
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DFWdem Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:50 AM
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16. "Terrorism is a part of politics"?
To which political party do you belong? And I have to call BS on your assertion that bombs and deaths in Iraq barely get a mention, unless you call being on the front page of Yahoo, CNN.com, etc. on a daily basis insignificant coverage. Of course the attacks in London will get more press because London is not (or was not) a war zone. That doesn't make the deaths in Iraq any less heinous, but it is understandable that these attacks would get a deluge of media coverage.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:53 AM
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17. So georgie's "war on terror" has nothing to do with politics?
War is not political? georgies whole presidential career is based on terrorism and you say it's not political. OK.
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DFWdem Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:00 AM
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19. Not the point
You say terrorism is a part of politics as though to say, "Oh well, no big deal, they're just expressing their disgust at the policies of the country". Prior to 2001, would you have said terrorism is a part of politics? I contend that terrorism should not be accepted as a part of politics in a civilized society. You appear to be condoning the opposite point of view.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:08 AM
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21. You read me wrong
I was saying that when these things happen, people will discuss them with political views because terrorism has to do with politics.
If you read my post again you should see that I was not trivializing what happened.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:59 AM
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18. eh - I think you're misinterpreting
bombs and deaths in Iraq don't get the same hue and cry of coverage - it's a fact. It doesn't make us bad people to observe that the dynamic really IS different.

Impugning someone's party affiliation based on a single sentence is combative and hurtful. Be nice.

Republicans have used terrorism and fear of terrorism for political gain at every possible opportunity. It is a tool of politics in this administration.
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DFWdem Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:03 AM
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20. Sorry if it was misinterpreted
I didn't mean to impugn the poster's party affiliation. To me, the only organizations that say terrorism is a normal part of politics are groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, and Islamic Jihad. My question of to which political party do you belong was tongue in cheek, and I apologize if it was interpreted otherwise.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:17 AM
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25. So, exactly how many Iraqis have died?
Not even important enough to count.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:47 PM
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42. That hit me in the gut
It's like so much to comprehend that we can't do it. So much grief..I watched an old NOVA two days ago..8 year old Iraqi girl died of burns and malnutrition..our medical people tried to save her..she died before she could be airlifted to America..just one of so many...it stays with me..and makes me think that war can never be the answer..oh when will mankind evolve?
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:09 AM
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22. Well said, johnnie.
:thumbsup:
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:13 AM
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23. Thank you K
I don't want to use your name on here, but Misunderestimator is too long to type.. :).
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:14 AM
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24. LOL, but you just typed it.
You can use K or MisU or &^%#$ or whatever you like. :)
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:21 AM
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28. What about "Missy"?
Only joking.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:25 AM
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29. Bwaahaaahaa!
YOU! :rofl: (You better be joking.) :hi:
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:26 AM
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31. Of course I'm joking.
Thank you for the first real smile I've had today.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:28 AM
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32. Yes, I forgot... you are in the belly of the beast there.
How are you holding up? Everyone you know ok?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:34 AM
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34. Everyone seems to be fine. Services are beginning to come back on line.
Telephone is back; it was out for hours. Mainline rail services are resuming. Flights are resuming. The Tube will be buggered for a while in part, but 90% of London will be back to normal tomorrow - if not more.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:37 AM
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35. I'm glad to see that you seem OK
My thoughts are with you guys today. Take care.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:43 AM
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36. Glad to hear that.
It must be pretty disturbing. Keep safe. :hug:
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:00 AM
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26. Well stated, my friend.
While some of the more irresponsible and paranoid speculation has been trivializing (and highly irritating to me), DU is going to be what DU is, as it should be.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:16 AM
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27. Thanks man
Some of it is irritating to me also, but it is DU. The vast majority of the people here are compassionate and caring people who are not trivializing these attacks.
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:26 AM
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30. There's a difference between "analysis" and. . .
. . . manipulating the death and suffering to promote some crackpot theory for personal political gain.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 10:32 AM
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33. I understand
Some people will turn anything into a "political gain", but most people here don't. There were just a lot of posts that seemed to be saying not to talk politics on a day like today and my intention was to say that this was political.
My thoughts are with the people in London today.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:50 PM
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39. Exactly. That would be like using the crackpot "Osama's planes did it all
while we were sleeping" theory to start a never ending war on a noun!

I would hope that we on DU would rise above that sort of demeaning demagoguery.
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