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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:14 AM
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I think the events of today prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, LIHTI theory
It was INCOMPETENCE that lead Bush and Blair to abandon the proper fight in Afghanistan to distract the world into going after Hussein. Afghanistan is where the head of Al Queda resides, and diverting forces from that proper battle in the war on terror has allowed that head to plot and plan for this attack in London.

As was the case with 9/11, Blair and Bush Let It Happen Through Incompetence.

They're morons with no clue of how to fight a war on terror, let alone protect the people who live in their nations.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:16 AM
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1. ...and arrogance....
:nuke: :cry:

DemEx
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:28 PM
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43. His sinister compatriots in crime are arrogant...
...but I suspect he's too dumb to be truly arrogant, that's for people who sit at the big kids' table... he's just an excitable boy, headstrong but brain-weak...
EVERY DAY he demonstrates levels of incompetence most of us can only wince and wonder at... have you heard about his latest bicycle spill?
What a PROFOUNDLY silly person. He will go down in history as our funniest president ever.



And also the scariest.
d
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:16 AM
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2. That Is The Most Likely Case, Mr. Starr
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:57 AM
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15. Well, it's certainly the most likely to have a ghost of a chance...
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 07:58 AM by Junkdrawer
of causing political damage, given our media situation.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:46 PM
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47. I Buy It Too, Walt
I think, however, he forgot hubris. These guys honestly believe that with their powerful armies and their political successes, they are invincible and therefore nobody would DARE attack their personal protectorates. Silverspoon's gang thought it before 9/11, and Lapdog Tony thought it now.

Wrong again, boys!
The Professor
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:19 AM
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3. Now the whole WORLD looks like fucking Jerusalem!!
Thanks Bush and Blair!!!!!!

I'm so upset about this I want to vomit. I have family there.

B&B and their cowboy acts have ruined everything for peace-loving people.

I suspect Blair's going to have his head on a pike for letting this happen. But who knows...
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AFSCME girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:54 AM
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14. Hi SmokingJacket..
I know how you feel...I have family in England, as well. My Dad is trying to call over there this morning to make sure everyone is OK. What a bloody, awful mess... :cry:

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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:19 AM
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4. It may be true
in the case of Blair, but with Bush I'm not so sure - don't forget the cozy business ties the Bush family has with the Bin Laden clan! I think invading Iraq was Shrubs way of giving the public the idea that he was taking action "against terrorism" without going after Bin Laden directly. Seems mighty strange to me that Bin Laden is still loose after all these years.
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:26 AM
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9. I know I'm wearing my tin-foil hat, but....
what a great way to:
1. get the topic of Rove/Plame news off the air
2. drum up sagging support for "War on Terrorism"
3. quell impeachment talk
4. boost sagging polls
5. spread fear to garner support

They did it once, who's to say they wouldn't do it again?
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:32 AM
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13. Agreed -
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 07:39 AM by libhill
Call me crazy, but I wouldn't put anything past these insane fucks. I'm not convinced they weren't up to their eyeballs in 9/11. Too many loose strings, unanswered questions.
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desertalien Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:47 PM
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48. That was my first thought Riddler!
I'm tired of being amazed at how they get so lucky finding new smoke screens. They can't be that lucky that often.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:21 AM
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5. 110% Agreement !!!
Welcome to the New World Disorder.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:23 AM
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6. No doubt....
And that's 2 "Coalition of the Willing" members who've been struck. You knew this was coming!!! And I really feel bad for Britons, just like Spaniards, because they were never in support of an Iraq invasion - they knew better. Now they're paying the ultimate price for their leaders' foolishness.
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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:23 AM
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7. You can't fight a war on terror with the military anyway
Terrrorism is a tactic, not an ideology or a country. In combatting terrorism the battle for hearts and minds is more important than anything else. If people are happy, healthy and well fed they tend not to become suicide bombers. Every bomb that falls every 'raid on terrorist strongholds' creates more terrorists than it stops.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:28 AM
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11. Torture and Koran abuse
add to that equation.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:55 AM
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27. Very well said but, unfortunately, will be unheeded. n/t
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:24 AM
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8. Excellent summation Mr. Starr.
I was thinking about this earlier, and how Bush's WOT is a failure. The only reason I can see that it was London, not the US, that was targeted, is the vast ocean between us. For every terrorist they kill, four more take their place.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:28 AM
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12. Bush allies.....
Holland is getting nervous....

DemEx
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 07:27 AM
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10. Bravo, Walt...
What's scarier is to listen to the ignorant wingnuts who are ready to "nuke 'em" til they glow.

Blair took a gamble...hitching his wagon to the U.S.S. BFEE and now the bill is coming due. No matter how this shakes, Mr. Blair is in for a rough time. Too bad the real cause of all this remains totally "tefloned" by our corporate media.

It made me sick to see Wolfowitz in that group. The fox truly are inside the henhouse.

Cheers

:kick:

:hi:
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:22 AM
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17. Whew
glad you said that, and not me - but I feel the same way, I also got that first impression that this was a CIA / Black ops job. Well, call me a tinfoil hatter, but at least I'm not alone in my suspicions. Although if we are right, these bastards are more dangerous and ruthless than I ever imagined, attacking a friendly allied power.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:31 AM
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20. You are not alone
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:54 AM
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26. I was wondering when something bad would happen
But I thought it would happen in the States, except for the unknown factor in Number 7 below.

1.) Cheney has been out of the spotlight for weeks. Basically in an undisclosed location until today we find him on his Wyoming ranch.

2.) Journalists appear before Judge for refusing to testify to Grand Jury.

3.) #2 puts light on Plame investigation. Major media is no longer silent.

4.) #3 Points to "Bush's Brain," Rove, as a traitor leaking CIA secrets.

5.) Rove is only one of at least two "High Ranking White House Officials" who leaked the story.

6.) Newspapers are starting to use the "I" word. (impeachment)

7.) Bush's poll numbers are down. The US citizens need to be scared to boost those numbers. A terrorists hit in the US might make his approval rating lower rather than higher, but that is an unknown.

8.) Major TV news media is starting to call the Plame investigation a "Potential Major Scandal for the Bush administration."

9.) The Downing Street Minutes has hit MSM. Not a lot of talk, but it has informed those who are paying attention.

10.) MSM is starting to report news that it previously ignored. The news about Bush isn't just an extension of his Public Relations department. Some news outlets are actually starting to do their jobs.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:28 AM
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19. I'm not sure about Blair pulling troops out of Iraq
But I do know that he he scheduled to send thousands to Afghanistan.

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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:26 AM
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35. And MY first thought, after grief and revulsion, was that Bush
is involved with the "terra-ist network". Yesterday the MSM finally started using words like indictment and impeachment regarding BushCo and suddenly this happens. It's been thoroughly proven that the BFEE is quite cozy with the Bin Ladens, so it doesn't seem so far-fetched to me.

Pretty soon we're going to start seeing the "links" between Iran and the bombings so we can start bombing the shit out of them.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:31 AM
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38. PLUS... "THEY" KNEW!!!
Yeah, Scotland Yard...

Sure does "sound familiar," doesn't it???

The only way to defeat terrorism is to address (re:correct) the policies that create terrorism. Bombing innocent people only result into bombing more innocent people. Period.

All the while: "they" (the criminal war-profiteers) knew...
And again: they did nothing (because they "needed" it?).

So... are "we" safer now? Sure... :sarcasm:
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:28 AM
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18. Thank you for the acronym!
:thumbsup: That is an excellent summation of the situation.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:32 AM
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21. I don't think this incident "proves"
anything about one thing or the other. No one has claimd that jihadi terrorism doesn't exist.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:37 AM
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22. It certainly exists
however, it's always so conveniently timed - and that lends me to believe, that something is rotten in Denmark.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:01 AM
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28. Exactly. It's all in the timing!
Remember during the election? We had a terrorist warning damn near every other day. The Terror alert color code was ALWAYS moved up to Orange. THEN, we learn from Tom Ridge that the administration USED that system during the election. They used questionable intelligence and raised the threat level. These people are pure EVIL.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:39 AM
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23. Yes, I'm afraid I must agree...
My husband woke me up when the attacks were first reported. My first thought was, awww shit, here we go again, the idiot's approval ratings will go up, everyone in the media will forget about Plame-gate and the DSM's, here's the new 24/7 made-for-distraction event.

It's up to us to make sure all the REAL issues don't get completely forgotten. We need to hammer home how their incompetence allowed this to take place.

On another note, I'm watching Washington Journal and a lot of the callers are still being VERY critical of Dumbya and our policies - Thank the Gods!

Visualize our success - believe it - work toward it
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 08:51 AM
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25. I'll be more suspicious if
they end up accusing Iran of sponsoring this. I do hope it was not CIA or our government but even if they are "innocent" I fear how they might use it.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:02 AM
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29. I'm going to be flamed big time, but
Edited on Thu Jul-07-05 09:03 AM by libhill
I was just reading another DU thread, about a lot of weird activity on Air bases around the country last nite. Posted in General discussion, I believe. I wonder if - and this is only speculation, and pretty 'out there", BUT - I wonder if all that military activity was related to what went down in London - just, what if the CIA was involved - and they have to be ready in case the Brits realize what happened, and hand us our asses on a platter. OK, Flame away. Sticks and stones, sticks and stones.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:07 AM
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30. nah... MIHOP
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:12 AM
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32. Here, you need headgear
:tinfoilhat:

Occam's Razor says the buffoons were incompetent.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:12 AM
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33. LOL
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:41 PM
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46. The simplest explanation for 9/11 is complicity.
Watch out playing with Occam's Razor. You could cut yourself.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:07 PM
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50. No, complicity adds a layer of complication
it requires a conspiracy and requires absolutely no leaks from that conspiracy.
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 03:05 PM
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49. MIHOP has the more compelling House of Pancakes semaphore
LIHTI has two consecutive consonants, one of them silent, which kind of ruins it in the chunking department. Still easier to pronounce than "BFEE".
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:24 AM
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34. Incompetence, with an eye for the main chance. n/t
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:27 AM
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36. I disagre with you a hell of a lot of the time...
...but not on this one.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:30 AM
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37. Is it incompetence
if they wanted there to be wars and now there are?

Is it incompetence if they wanted to wipe Iraq off the map and remake the country to suit their purposes?

That's not what I would call it.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:32 AM
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39. Bush was going to war in Iraq no matter what.
That was a given. He would have invaded during his first term regardless of world events. 9/11 even slowed down his timetable, IMO. They wanted to go in during 2002, but had to put it off for a year, IMO.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 09:34 AM
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40. Drawing too many parallels between 9/11 and other attacks...
...is short-sighted, methinks.

The kind of attacks that happened in London or Madrid is a kind that is virtually unstoppable in an open society.

Not so in case of 9/11 -- 4 planes had to be off-course for over an hour in order for it to succeed. That's an entirely preventable attack.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 12:54 PM
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41. One thing is certain: Either they knew it or they blew it.
But I don't understand your use of today's events to differentiate.
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dxstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 01:25 PM
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42. I just love that lil' cartoon of yours, stickdog!
Perfect illustration of how 9/11 HAD to be LIHOP, if not MIHOP...
As to today's bombings in London: Too early to do much of anything but speculate... but time will tell...
I don't know why further successful terrorists actions, here or anywhere, can possibly be of advantage to Bushco at this point... they're looking like serious asshats at the very least, clueless, incompetent boobs that they are...
I think we need to up production on the tinfoil hats though, just to handle the recent influx of newbies to the camp of "I don't know if this guy's so trustworthy after all..."
Very sad for England; their own populace has been just as vociferously opposed to the Iraq war as we here in the states, but also powerless in the face of their own thick and distant leadership. My condolences to them in this time of pointless peril for all...

d

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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:38 PM
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44. Thank you. Occam's razor, and all that. LIHTI, indeed.
Nice acronym!
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-05 02:40 PM
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45. Precisely. And that is why they have been so reluctant to involve
the public in reform efforts--it would reveal their own failures.
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