the "Issues" section has been totally removed from Clark's website

[pruner]

check out the sitemap… the link is gone and there's no indication it will be returning anytime in the future (near or far).

:wtf:

[goobergunch]

1. Correct...here's the new sitemap

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http://www.clark04.com/sitemap.php

:shrug:

[BlueEyedSon]

2. You mean this?

http://www.draftclark2004.com/issues.asp

[goobergunch]

4. Not on the official Clark site. (n/t)

[pruner]

5. that isn't Clark's site

but you knew that.

[karlschneider]

9. To be fair, that isn't the "official" site......

:eyes:

[union_maid]

12. No, that's the Draft Clark site

But it'll be back. First people complain that it's under construction, then they complain when the link is removed. Sheesh! He just released his position on job creation and it's a lot more detailed and on target than the other front runners. When a few of them are ready to go then I'm sure it'll be back up. Maybe he's going to release them one at a time like today. Good campaign strategy. Build interest in what you have to say and then say it.

[pruner]

14. people are complaining cause it's fucking Amateur Hour @ Clark HQ

n/t

[WillyBrandt]

38. This amateur is kicking some ass

beating Bush and the Dem rivals a week in. I can't wait until he goes pro!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

45. Yes, that is very interesting...

...and having voted Democrat for the last 31 years, I've never seen any amateur jump into this kind of a lead in such a short amount of time.

I don't think I'm out of line when I state that most Democrats think most polls are rigged. And yet, some of the same Democrats get all tingly inside when an unknown steps into the presidential sweepstakes and jumps into an immediate lead in the polls. Does that make any sense?

[depakid]

69. The national polls are worthless

they mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Not only do they rely on flawed methodology, but the answer they purport to give is irrelevant. A state by state series of polls, using proper random, multistage clustering would have some meaning, but that would be prohibitively expensive. National polls like this are worthless, despite DUer's apparent fetish for them. Remember, most of the national polls have had Lieberman out front by wide margins, despite the fact that holy Joe probably loses in almost every state.

[EagleEye]

3. So it went from under construction to trashed altogether?

[pruner]

6. yes… that seems to be the case

n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Are You From Alabama?

[EagleEye]

40. Nope, Texas

[sasquatch]

7. He's been outed as a DLC whore and he's trying to hide it

So if there is no evidence you can't prove it right! Just like the Bush bastard in almost every way. He even likes Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Cheney and say's they're his friends.:puke:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. I Thought The Candidates In The Race

who were former or active members of the DLC are Graham, Edwards, Dean, Kerry, and Lieberman....

[sasquatch]

13. So is Clark

He was photographed giving a speech at the DLC convention in Phillidelphia this year.

[hedda_foil]

17. Dean is a former member as you well know.

He broke with them quite loudly and they've been doing everything they can think of to stop him ... but you know that too.

[sasquatch]

24. That's why they dragged Clark out of the mothballs

To stop Dean because Dean and Kucinch will stop their corporate whoring and selling out of the American people.

[diplomats]

15. Right

:eyes:

If Wesley Clark's biggest flaw is his official Web site doesn't have a fully functioning issues page a week after he officially announced his candidacy then he's in better shape than even I thought. (If you watch the debate tomorrow I'm sure you'll see how he stands on many issues.)

[sasquatch]

18. Why do you denie this?

Why do you continue to support this Repug in Dem clothing?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. If He's A Repug

why is Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, Robert Novak, Ann Coulter, Matt Drudge, David Horowitz, et all tieing themselves up in knots maligning him?


Especially when they have folks who call themselves Democrats doing the job for them...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. What better way to camouflage a wolf than to have a bunch of...

...people pointing at it and yelling "Sheep! Sheep!"

Think about it for a second.

What better way to drive Democrats into Clark's camp, and what better way for the NeoCons to maintain their stranglehold even if Bush gets "beat" by Clark in 2004.

Before your knees lock up while you go into a foam-spitting tizzy, let me just say that I'm throwing this out as a Devil's Advocate bone for debate. I don't yet know what to make of Mr. Clark...I want to know more about this guy.

[Julien Sorel]

60. LOL

If you're just 'throwing this out,' and therefore presumably don't believe it, why didn't you answer the original question in addition to 'throwing this out?' Ducking?

[sasquatch]

64. He isn't ducking

He has a valid point. I just know that Clark's a DLC spawn and he still hasn't discovered that.

[Toucano]

66. I have considered that scenario

But doesn't it imply that if Clark were victorious, they would have to lay off? I think a sudden change in their handling of Clark would be noticed even by ditto heads.

So I dismissed that possibility.

On edit: typo

[StephNW4Clark]

26. Why is he a Republican?

Because he had to work with them at the Pentagon? Because he voted for Clinton in 92, 96 and Gore in 2000?

Maybe it's because:
1) he's pro-affirmative action
2) Supports gays in the military
3) Believes in a responsible policy towards the environment
4) Believes in a balanced budget and fiscal responsibility
5) Believes that NATO and the UN are institutions that need to be empowered, reinvigorated and brought into the dialogue on the war on terror
6) Believes in a review of the Kyoto Protocol
7) Believes in the US participation in an international court of law.

Incidentally, before anyone else says that he supported dropping bombs, he asked Congress/Pentagon for ground troops to avoid civilian casualties. But b/c of the recent event of Mogadishu, Somalia, they didn't give him ground troops. He was overruled. And before anyone goes off that he is a war crimial, he (along with Pres. Clinton, Sec. of State Albright, Blair, Chirac, Schroeder and NATO head Javier Solana) were submitted to the Hague for judgment and cleared.

[dave29]

48. yes you can have all that and more in Dean

who did not vote for Reagan or Nixon, has the base sown up, and is a centrist.

[sasquatch]

52. And Kucinich

GO DENNIS!!!:)

[Toucano]

65. Do we actually know that

Dean didn't vote for Reagan?

Still, the loss of the "On the issues" link isn't right. The "under construction" page made more sense.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

67. I Can Explain This

Drudge posted a hit piece on Clark, saying "Clark's Issues Page Is Under Construction" or some BS like that.

Within an hour or two later, the issues page redirected to Clark's homepage instead. So it was a rapid response to RW BS.

DTH

[einsteins stein]

71. He could have...but he didn't

Dean got his start in politics working on Jimmy Carter's 1980 re-election campaign, I think it's safe to assume that Dean did not vote for Reagan.

[diplomats]

28. Spare me the theatrics

I'm capable of making my own decisions about who is and who isn't a real Democrat. And I'm getting tired of people telling me I'm some sort of dupe.

[Name removed]

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. Who Died And Made You DU King?

nt

[sasquatch]

58. Excuse me

For questioning your half ass repug wanna be canidate. I'll tell you what if you want the neocons to still be in charge, brave men and women to die in Iraq, Corporations to be in charge over people's votes and quasi-corporate slavery=vote Clark

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. Howard Dean

up until a week ago said Wes Clark was a "good guy" who knows "alot about defense"

What does that make Wes Clark

What does that make Howard Dean

and

What does that make you for supporting him

[sasquatch]

63. Wes Clark

Dean wants Clark so he can beat Bush in a debate because what in the hell is draft dodger Cheney and AWOL Bush going to do to counter on defense? The awnser is NOTHING!! Howard Dean is a former DLCer and told the DLC to go fuck themselves because they're destroying the democratic party. Look if the race is between Bush and warm bucket of tobacco spit, I'm going to vote for the tobacco spit.

[Toucano]

68. Good!

I also will support you tobacco spit candidate!

[retyred]

51. Stop, you're making my stomach hurt!

I'm sorry but, this is soooo sad.





CLARK FOR PRESIDENT
Retyred IN FLA.

[sasquatch]

56. That isn't your stomach it is your conscience

[pruner]

23. who said that was his biggest flaw

I think the fact that he doesn't seem to have enough positions to fill a page is the problem.

[StephNW4Clark]

29. See 100 Year Vision below

[pruner]

30. he oughta focus a bit more attention on the present

n/t

[diplomats]

32. Yes

see his economic plan to get a taste of some of his ideas.

[diplomats]

31. I consider this a tempest in a teapot

He's been an announced candidate for a week, not months. He just introduced an economic plan today. I imagine he'll have other proposals as his campaign progresses. And, yes, those positions will be posted on his site, I'm sure.

[pruner]

33. he was considering running for almost a year

:wtf: was he doing all that time?

[Eloriel]

11. 'sokay. He doesn't need any stinkin' issues.

He's got a RESUME that includes bombing people and things. And oh yes, the Clintons behind him.

Eloriel

[Closer]

16. HAHA, B-I-N-G-O!

I don't think Clark ever had any issues, besides war, war, and more war.

He's a fraud.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. He's On Recod As Saying The Best Way To Fight Terrorism Is

to work through multilateral institutions.....

But , hey, never let the facts gets in the way of a good polemic....

[pruner]

36. LOL

does he support the right of all Americans to drink water too?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. You Got Me There

if you private message me your

address I'll send you a cookie....

on edit-

"....And if we wanted to go after states supporting terrorism, why not first go to the United Nations , present the evidence against Al Qaeda, set up a tribunal for prosecuting international terrorism? Why not develop resolutions that would give our counterrorism efforts the greater force of internatinal law and gain for us more powerful leverage against any state that might support terrorism, then use international law and backed by the evidence to rope in the always nuanced Europeans that still kept open trade with Iran and the others?"

Doesn't sound like war, war, war and more war to me but perhaps I lack the sagacity that only Dean supporters seem to possess...


From the tenor of these posts....

I have a new slogan

Mean for Dean in 04.....

[diplomats]

22. I guess you didn't read about his economic plan

that he announced today. Or perhaps you just decided to ignore it.

[Pastiche423]

20. You forgot his uniform

and all of his pretty, shiny medals.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Do You Mock The Medals He

got for losing part of his calf in Nam as well as getting shot in the hand and hip and continuing to lead his troops despite his injuries....

That's in the same category of snipes that "I Can't Serve in Viet Nam Because I Have A Trick Knee " Chambliss used on triple amputee and war hero, Max Cleland....

[JVS]

21. He should write a personal statement, explaining in detail his take on...

various issues and what he plans to do to change them. This shouldn't be so hard for him since he must have been capable of writing a personal statement to get his Rhodes scholarship.

[StephNW4Clark]

27. 100 Year Vision

Maybe you should do your research.

http://www.clark04.com/vision.php

Looking ahead 100 years, the United States will be defined by our environment, both our physical environment and our legal, Constitutional environment. America needs to remain the most desirable country in the world, attracting talent and investment with the best physical and institutional environment in the world. But achieving our goals in these areas means we need to begin now. Environmentally, it means that we must do more to protect our natural resources, enabling us to extend their economic value indefinitely through wise natural resource extraction policies that protect the beauty and diversity of our American ecosystems - our seacoasts, mountains, wetlands, rain forests, alpine meadows, original timberlands and open prairies. We must balance carefully the short term needs for commercial exploitation with longer term respect for the natural gifts our country has received. We may also have to assist market-driven adjustments in urban and rural populations, as we did in the 19th Century with the Homestead Act.

Institutionally, our Constitution remains the wellspring of American freedom and prosperity. We must retain a pluralistic democracy, with institutional checks and balances that reflect the will of the majority while safeguarding the rights of the minority. We will seek to maximize the opportunities for private gain, consistent with concern for the public good. And the Clark administration will institute a culture of transparency and accountability, in which we set the world standard for good government. As new areas of concern arise - in the areas of intellectual property, bioethics, and other civil areas - we will assure continued access to the courts, as well as to the other branches of government, and a vibrant competitive media that informs our people and enables their effective participation in civic life. And even more importantly, we will assure in meeting the near term challenges of the day - whether they be terrorism or something else - that , we don't compromise the freedoms and rights which are the very essence of the America we are protecting.

If we are to remain competitive we will have to do more to develop our "human potential." To put it in a more familiar way, we should help every American to "be all he or she can be." For some this means only providing a framework of opportunities - for others it means more direct assistance in areas such as education, health care, and retirement security. And these are thirty year challenges - educating young people from preschool until they are at their most productive, helping adults transition from job to job and profession to profession during their adult lives; promoting physical vigor and good health through public health measures, improved diagnostics, preventive health, and continuing health care to extend longevity and productivity to our natural limits; and strengthening retirement security, simply because it is right; first for our society to assure that all its members who have contributed throughout their lifetimes are assured a minimal standard of living, and secondly to free the American worker and family to concentrate on the challenges of today. Such long term challenges must be addressed right away, with a new urgency.

We have a solid foundation for meeting these challenges in many of the principles and programs already present today. They need not be enumerated here, except to argue for giving them the necessary priorities and resources. We can never ensure that every one has the same education, or health care, or retirement security, nor would we want to do so. But all Americans are better off when we ensure that each American will have fundamental educational skills and access to further educational development throughout their lives; that each American will have access to the diagnostic, preventive and acute health care and medicines needed for productive life, as well as some basic level of financial security in his or her retirement.

To do this we will have to get the resources and responsibilities right. In the first place, this means allocating responsibilities properly between public and private entities. Neither government nor "the market" are universal tools - each must be used appropriately, whether the issues be in security, education, health or retirement. Then we must reexamine private versus public revenues and expenditures. We need to return to the aims of the 1990's when we sought to balance our federal budget and reduce the long term public debt. Finally, it means properly allocating public responsibilities to regulate, outsource, or operate. This means retaining government regulation where necessary to meet public needs, and balancing the federal government's strengths of standardization and progressive financing with greater insights into the particular needs and challenges that State and local authorities bring.

As we work on education, health care, and retirement security we must also improve the business climate in the United States. This is not simply a matter of reducing interest rates and stimulating demand. Every year, this economy must create more than a million new jobs, just to maintain the same levels of employment, and to reduce unemployment to the levels achieved in the Clinton Administration, we must do much more immediately. This is in part a matter of smoothing the business cycle,with traditional monetary and fiscal tools, but as we improve communications and empower more international trade and finance, firms will naturally shift production and services to areas where the costs are lower. In the near term we should aim to create in America the best business environment in the world - using a variety of positive incentives to keep American jobs and businesses here, attract business from abroad, and to encourage the creation of new jobs, principally through the efforts of small business. These are not new concerns, but they must be addressed and resourced with a new urgency in facing the increasing challenges of technology and free trade. And labor must assist, promoting the attitudes, skills, education and labor mobility to enable long overdue hikes in the minimum wage in this country.

[JVS]

34. vague

[IndianaGreen]

55. Clark's 100-Year vision reads like a toothpaste commercial

Nothing but feel-good platitudes! A man with Clark credentials should have given us a mission statement about what his goals are as President, how he is going achieve those goals, and what are the performance measures that will be used to determine how well the goals are being achieved.

Clark's 100-Year vision lacks specificity, and reads like a toothpaste commercial.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

35. Why Are There So Many Negative Haters Here?

The reason the page was taken down was because of a Drudge hack job. It was actually a good example of rapid response.

Clark is coming out with positions, he just came out with an excellent economic statement today. He'll have many more before the first vote is even close to being cast.

DTH

[JVS]

41. I don't know. You guys claimed your guy was charming and electable.

It seems that he inspires a lot of contempt for someone with such charm/

[DoveTurnedHawk]

42. Contempt From Purists and Extremists, Sure

On both the left and the right.

I'm sorry you appear to take such intolerant positions.

DTH

[JVS]

46. Purists and extremists are voters too, we need them as well

Sorry that I don't vote for people to be democratic presidential candidates if they've been Democrats for such a brief period. He needs to prove himself worthy.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

47. We'll See

I think by the time the first vote is cast, Clark will have established himself as a substantial, liberal candidate. YMMV.

That said, I'd much rather attract the votes of as large a cross-section of the nation as possible, not just the votes of the purists and extremists.

I believe Clark is very well-situated to do that, perhaps more so than any other candidate.

DTH

[Media_Lies_Daily]

49. And I'm sorry that most Clark supporters on DU seem to be...

...remarkably reticent to answer questions about their candidate in a polite manner. Why is that...do you know?

Most people here are looking for answers about each of the candidates, not non-informational posts from folks who claim everyone else is intolerant.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

50. That's Pretty Rich

You can ask just about any fair-minded observer familiar with my posts, I point all kinds of people toward accurate information, not only about Clark but also about other candidates.

That said, I tend to respond in kind to people who express negative views toward my candidate. I also note that based on your past posts, you are hardly some innocent here.

DTH

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. Truth Crushed To Earth Will Rise Again....

I like Clark, Edwards, and Kerry in no particular order but folks on this board relentlessly bait the Clark supporters and then call them bullies or thin skinned when they respond.....

It reminds me of the kid who kills his parents and then throws himself on the mercy of the court because he's an orphan....

The irony is too fucking rich.....

<kisses>


Brian

[Myra]

57. Actually I'm sort of pleased that they removed the under construction

Issues link.
I, and probably others, send email to the
webmaster and told them it's bad form.
It appears they either responded or wised up
on their own.

I figure he'll add to his website as his
policies firm up. It's better than "under construction."
But if people are determined to find fault with
the man then nothing will deter them.

[Kahuna]

62. He IS leading in the polls and head to head with bush...

What more proof do you need that he's "electable?" Sheesh. Talk about a tough crowd.

I wonder. What is YOUR definition of electable?

[stickdog]

61. It was Diebold's Cease & Desist letter.

The link turned out to be their property!

[depakid]

70. Having an "under construction" page was embarrassing.

That was my impression, at least, when I visited the site.

The bottom line is that he hasn't formulated many well developed position papers- and his campaign hasn't enough professional staff with the expertise to put them together any time soon. It seems to me that taking the page down was the best thing to do, under the circumstances.