Focus: Secret memos fuel US doubt on Iraq (Times of London)

[kentuck]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1669291,00.html

by: Andrew Sullivan *

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He’s vowed to complete his mission in Iraq, but President Bush faces growing disillusion as leaked documents reveal the hidden path to war and the mood changes in America



You can sometimes tell when a political conversation is at a turning point because the rhetoric goes nuclear. With respect to the Iraq war, that is what is beginning to happen in America.
Last week saw Dick Durbin, a leading Democratic senator, compare an account of detainee treatment at Guantanamo Bay with prisoner abuse in totalitarian regimes. It also saw Karl Rove, the president’s most powerful political aide, essentially call all “liberals” a danger to their country for their response to 9/11 and the Iraq war.



Chuck Hagel, a leading Republican senator, called the White House “completely disconnected from reality. It’s like they’re just making it up as they go along”. The internet blogs and the op-eds were full of similarly calm discourse.

It’s not that the Bush administration policy is likely to change any time soon. It’s that the American people have reached a point of no return with the president and his constant and unpersuasive assertions that everything is just peachy in Mesopotamia.

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[bpilgrim]

1. an account of detainee treatment at Guantanamo Bay - nice spin

an (FBI) account of detainee (mis)treatment at Guantanamo Bay - would be much more accurate

but it is Andrew Sullivan so it is to be expected to be sub par, even when critical of the neoCONs

peace

[bpilgrim]

3. i had to stop after the first page so much SPIN :puke:

"And, perhaps most damningly in US eyes, the memos reveal that little effort was made to plan for the aftermath of invasion — which is still costing hundreds of American and Iraqi lives — despite warnings that it could be messy."

most damming in everyones eyes is that they LIED to all of us to start an ILLEGAL WAR, numb-nuts, no matter how much you all in the M$M want to distract from that FACT.

that they didn't do any PLANNING for the AFTERMATH is fucking OLD-NEWS that we have to live with and out solders and Iraqi civilians have to die with DAILY.

and it's not costing fucking "hundreds of American and Iraqi lives" it's 10s of THOUSANDS :argh:

fuck him

peace

[Cha]

2. I think I know bush better than

these two..

"Which scenario is the most persuasive: has the Iraq war been a brilliant piece of tactical planning or a screw-up of massive proportions? Are we still “misunderestimating” Bush? Or have we overestimated his capacity for strategic judgment and political skill? I tend to share the assessment of David Brooks, the New York Times columnist: “Since we don’t have the evidence upon which to pass judgment on the overall trajectory of this war, it’s important we don’t pass judgment prematurely. It’s too soon to accept the defeatism that seems to have gripped so many."

bush is a lyin' immoral coward..I pass judgement NOW!!!

[LightningFlash]

4. Senator Durbin, get your ass back out there...

And get Galloway to start a huge press conference events and drill this sucker home.