Should Democrats back off the "fraud" comment ?

[kentuck]

Senator Ted Kennedy said the war in Iraq was a "fraud" hatched down in Texas. The Repubs have rushed to Bush's defense. However, none that I have heard have contradicted the "fraud" itself - only that the comment was "uncivil" and "over the top". The question is: "Is it a fraud?"

Judging from Bush's own comments that there was never any evidence that Saddam was behind 9/11, and the fact that there have been no WMDs found, and that Colin Powell had fraudulent documents before the UN, and that the story about the Niger uranium was also a fraud, what else should we call it except a "fraud"?

The Democrats should stand together on this issue. It is a fraud. They should not back away from their remarks. Senator Kennedy was absolutely right. Let the Repubs prove it's not a fraud. Because they can't.

[Wetzelbill]

1. they need to scream to high heaven on this one

[MuseRider]

2. Keep calling

and sending e mail and support these guys.

[ixion]

3. we have to call it what it is... that's where we begin to take the country

back. The Truth hurts.

[patdem]

4. Not just no......HELL NO!!!! It IS a FRAUD...why back down from the truth

I find this question insulting to every person that has died in Iraq....American and Iraqi!

[WilliamPitt]

5. Let Teddy rock this one

Two tons of Semtex and a howitzer couldn't get Teddy out of that Senate seat. He'll die there, snarling and rocking the house. Let the old lion roar.

[RummyTheDummy]

34. Teddy's comments were dead on...

That said, Will, what the hell are the Pats going to do with all these injuries.

[PA-DEM]

6. Hell no

Have you seen all of the polls since Teddy said this. Bush is in freefall.

[Parche]

7. fraud fraud fraud

It is a fraud

Everything that smirk has said or written is well documented
and he has stated that sadaam was involved with Sept 11th, in
a letter dated 18March 2003 to the Speaker of the house.

[ewagner]

8. Not only NO! BUT HELL NO!!!!!!!!

They's got the goods. They have the documentation. They've got all the info they need to drive this home. The harder it is hammered home the better.

[salin]

9. we don't have a media echo chamber like the right does

so the only way to get it heard and heard often - is for a bunch to say it and force the media to cover it forcing the bushies to defend against it forcing the media to cover it... again. Almost as good as rush/sean/bill/faux/etc all saying in concert... Al gore lied about inventing the internet....

[Lefty48197]

10. The truth hurts

grind him like a cheap whore.

[gully]

11. I second the HELL NO response... n/t

[mlawson]

12. No way! All the candidates should say it!

And all the Dems in Congress. If THAT many Dems said it, the public would understand that this is an urgent matter, and not just politics.

[RobertSeattle]

13. It has always been a fraud

1. 9/11 happened. (The "Pearl Harbor" event)
2. The NeoCons used it to convince Uncurious George Bush to attack Iraq
3. Bush Agrees (probably back in mid 2002), they then need a way to sell it. The decide on the WMD approach. (Probably based on very discrete opionion polling)
4. The sell it to the congress and the American People, who buy it hook line and sinker.
5. War.

[hlthe2b]

14. Back down? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Heavens, we've got Bush's polling going into the toilet-- people are ready to listen... Let em know the truth!

[IndianaGreen]

15. Absolutely!

"Bush lied, people died" is more than a slogan, it is the truth!

[uptohere]

16. the senator is old enough to know better

than to characterize a theory in this way. He believes that he is as grafted into his seat in the Senate to be able to get away with it.

He probably will. He's gotten away with worse.

He is smart enough to keep the heat turned up with appropriate oratory so I am at a loss as to why he opted otherwise. I can only guess that he feels the Dem chances are sufficiently poor that desperate measures were needed. He really SHOULD know better than that.

[WilliamPitt]

20. Gifted oratory hasn't been gettin' it done of late

Time for the ball-kicking.

Thanks, Teddy. Again. :toast:

[caledesi]

42. The "pink tutus" are off.

[Jackpine Radical]

33. Whaddayou babbling about?

The FACT is that Bushco perpetrated numerous frauds. That's not theory. Teddy isn't getting away with anything. He's just calling a FRAUD a FRAUD.

Get it? FRAUD.

And the Dems' chances are not only on the rise, but get dramatically better when they start naming things for what they are.

Like Repugs hatching FRAUDs, for instance.

[gratuitous]

17. Aww, the poor widdle Repubbies think it's uncivil, do they?

Well, tough. I can think of at least 300 military families who would have preferred that the Iraq situation be evaluated honestly, instead of trumped up into a crisis based on greed, falsehood and dubious connections. If it's "uncivil" to call this bloodthirstiness for what it is, then call me uncivil, too. I was never on the "A" list anyway.

[caledesi]

18. "From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce

new products in August" - Karl Rove (plan hatched in Texas while * was on vacation)

FRAUD! <yeah I am screaming it>

[WilliamPitt]

22. Actually, that was Andy Card.

Ibid to the rest. :)

[Wetzelbill]

23. Andrew Card

you beat me to it

[caledesi]

41. Sorry. For some reason I alway think it's Rove. Evil minds think alike.

[Jim Sagle]

19. FUCK no.

[starscape]

21. NO! ...it is what it is. (n/t)

[Padraig18]

24. HELL no!

Keep screaming it and screaming it and screaming it and... :grr:

[boxster]

25. Keep in mind that it takes strong words to even get through to some people

I think that perhaps some of the Democrats have finally realized that it takes some pretty strong language to cut through all the crap that BushCo puts out.

I give Kennedy a lot of credit for being this gutsy and hope it's an indication of things to come.

We should call it "uncivil disobedience".

[kentuck]

26. Welcome boxster !

Good point !

[boxster]

27. Thanks!

I'm kind of a political junkie and have been debating signing up for a while now. I have a tendency to spend waaaay too much time on forums like this, especially around election time.

Oh, well. No turning back now!

Hehe....

[caledesi]

43. Welcome boxster....you will have fun here.

[newyawker99]

38. Hi boxter!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[spanone]

28. Worse than fraud....Treason

[caledesi]

44. Yeah spanone...remind Ann the Man to include this in her next book.

Treason II

[oasis]

29. When Blair goes down you can add an exclamation point to "fraud".

The two "leaders" are linked to volumes of phoney evidence about Iraq.

[CWebster]

30. Or when they claimed the money wasn't used for "bribes"

as Kennedy charged, rather they were "incentives". LOL!

[Skittles]

31. NO

IT WAS A F***ING FRAUD. SAY IT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I JUST WISH THEY HAD ALL SCREAMED IT *BEFORE* PEOPLE GOT KILLED.

[JNelson6563]

32. Give 'em Hell Ted!!

Or, just tell the truth (fraud!!) and they'll think it's hell!!

[Solomon]

35. I wish all the democrats would support

Kennedy and Byrd. But alas. They're scared of their own shadows.

[quaker bill]

36. No

The truth must be told.

[Gman]

37. Hell NO

Let them get away with it and they win again.

[Festivito]

39. Someone needs to reach Bush's "plain spoken" audience.

Bush giving us lessons on the accuracies of word choice, what a joke. Let him say it is not a fraud, then we'll look again.

[Q]

40. Jesus...the Democratic 'party' is in a coma...

- Here we have Kennedy throwing them an issue that would destroy the Bushies if anyone bothered to debate it or investigate.

- The party hasn't stood together since Jan 6, 2001. Get used to losing.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

45. HELL NO!!!! it is a FACT!!! and needs to be screamed from the roof tops!!