Downing Street Memo Will Not Be The New Watergate

[HomerRamone]

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005/06/downing-street-memo.html

The Downing Street Memo

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There is not a snowball's chance in hell that Bush will be impeached over this issue. The Republicans control everything: the Executive, both Houses of Congress, the Judiciary, and the Media. They have demonstrated over and over again that they only care about the retention of power. The only possible chance of impeachment is if the Democrats were to gain control of the Senate, something that cannot possibly happen as the same crooked voting system is still (!!!) in place. The only reason for making a big deal out of the lies over Iraq is to attempt to stop the current campaigns for attacks on Syria and Iran, campaigns clearly based on exactly the same fundamental lies being spread by the Bush Administration and its friends.

The irony of this material coming out at the same time that Deep Throat is supposedly outed has been noted by some people. The American political system, based on the separation and balancing of powers, is supposed to have been sorely tested by Watergate, but met the test. Not so. Not all power was held by one party at the time of Watergate. The press was more diverse, there were moderate judges, there were moderate Republicans, there were Democrats with spines, and the voting system was not entirely crooked. When all these things are missing, and all the power vests in one extreme group, it is impossible to distinguish the United States, with all its meticulously crafted and balanced government, from an extreme right-wing dictatorship.

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Conspiracy theorists have a rough time because we never have any evidence. Of course, the reason we never have any evidence is that they hide it. There are similar minutes of meetings regarding the First World War that we're still not allowed to see. The CIA battles tooth and nail over material from fifty years ago. The only reason this stuff came out has to do with the extremely unusual occurrence that a nominally 'progressive' government participated in a transatlantic series of lies in order to fool people into an illegal war, and then found itself in an election where this fact could be used against it.

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Another amusing argument made by American newspapers is that they really wanted to cover the issue, but couldn't because the Associated Press hadn't written about it. Really! News doesn't exist in the United States unless and until the Associated Press covers it. The Apocalypse could be occurring, with molten lava falling from the sky and everyone's hair on fire, and the entire American press would sit huddled around their computers waiting on the story until the Associated Press deemed it to be news by mentioning it. This is the most pathetic of all the 'dog ate my Downing Street Memo' excuses. It tells you a lot about who you need to control - just one company! - in order to control the entire scope of the news in the United States.

http://xymphora.blogspot.com/2005/06/downing-street-memo.html

[personman]

1. Hmm ok...

Lets just all give up.

[Wapsie B]

2. Yeah, sure.

I guess you're right.

[libertypirate]

3. There sure alot of new posters moving this horseshit lately

Hey tell Karl thanks but that is why we are liberal.

[kittenpants]

4. yeah, I really appreciate all these threads

telling us to just walk away. These people must really care about our well-being to take time out of their busy days to come down here and warn us off.

[Jon8503]

5. Where the hell has this post been living?

[Zen Democrat]

6. There's an election in 17 months, Homer.

If this keeps drip, drip, dripping there's no way Bush, Cheney, Condi, or their minions in Congress can keep their jobs.

If this keeps going, all Democratic candidates can run on impeachment. THAT should be a winning issue by next November.

I have a feeling there's more to come from the UK. Drip, drip, drip. And Gitmo, drip, drip, drip. And Abu Graib, drip, drip, drip.

Meanwhile, back in the USA, people are still out of work, the markets are wobbly, and people are dying without healthcare.

[MadisonProgressive]

8. BFEE has so much dirt hidden

all we really have to do is sit back and watch as it becomes kicked into view. The next 2-3 months should be very interesting!

[The2ndWheel]

10. I wish I had that

Maybe I lost it somewhere along the way, but I just don't have it. I wish I had that "drip, drip, drip" mindset. If that was the case, we never would've had this administration in the first place. But I just don't get where it comes from.

[HomerRamone]

13. If we don't have paper ballots they'll keep their jobs!

Jesus, post an article that is worried that there might be reasons this latest scandal might not do it, just like all the others, and they imply you're a Freeper. Not every liberal has no pessimistic (realistic?) streak (and not every liberal decided to post on this website more than six months ago)...

[Ladyhawk]

15. I'm worried, too, but that doesn't stop me from trying.

Like you, I have that darn realistic streak. There's a real possibility that we're screwed for the foreseeable future. But don't let it stop you from doing what you can. I just sent a bit of money Dean's way and I'm looking to do the same for Conyers. I sign petitions, write letters, protest when I can.

And to the other folks: just because Homer is worried, it doesn't mean he isn't on our side. He has the right to caution us that this may not turn the trick.

[personman]

18. You didn't...

post an article that says this MIGHT not do it or MAYBE this wont do it, you posted an article that says it WILL NOT do it. Out of curiosity I searched the article for occurrences of "might" or "maybe" and didn't find a single one. Now MAYBE if you hadn't posted an article that states as a fact nothing will come of this, you MIGHT not have received such harsh criticism. :)

[HomerRamone]

20. I didn't

WRITE the article, I didn't say I AGREED with everything in the article, and the viciousness with which *I* was immediately attacked by the thought police here has me stunned...

[personman]

23. What purpose can this article serve?

It's unfortunate you feel you were attacked, but I can't imagine what sort of response other then a negative one you hoped to illicit.

Would you expect a negative responce if you went to the freeper site and posted a big article about how Bush was going to be impeached?
Or a gay and lesbian site with an article stating same-sex marriage will never happen? Etc...

(I don't mean in anyway to associate gay folks with FRecal matter, they are just 2 examples that came to mind.)

[HomerRamone]

24. The cavalry aren't coming...BE the cavalry!

Did you see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3892571, "Bush and his gang are planning to usurp all power forever"? Is it because that poster has 1000+ posts that he wasn't attacked? The article I posted just says that the Republicans don't HAVE to give up their power.

I'm afraid that if Bush etc.'s popularity goes any lower, they will do something drastic to get people to rally behind him and/or control everything by martial law. Has nobody expressed these fears here before? Does it really seem like I'm saying that to demoralize people? I'm saying don't get your hopes up that the media and the Congress are suddenly going to make our dreams come true, that SOMEHOW we have to get the legitimate vote back. I've heard many election activists more prominent than I say similar things.

Happy hundredth post to me...

[OrlandoGator]

7. The key is turning the moderate Republicans against Bush.

There will be a boiling point where the party support for the Bush administration will implode and nobody will get near them with a 10-foot-pole.

[sofaman1]

19. Not going to happen...

statements coming from Democrat leaders over the past few weeks have had exactly the opposite effect. If we are trying to target moderate Republicans, this is not the way to do it.

My MIL has been a Democrat all her voting life. She just changed her registration to Republican. (I'm still debating whether or not I should disown her). Reason? Howard Dean, Charles Rangel and Dick Durbin. These guys are feeding red meat to the base...fires us up. But there is a backlash with more moderate voters on both sides of the aisle and it's stirring up a hornets nest amongst Jewish voters.

[dogday]

9. I can't even pronounce that blog and this article just reeks

What do you expect from someone name HomerRamone?

[Individualist]

11. Wishful thinking, Gomer?

[fla nocount]

12. Oh well, back to chewing my cud.

Enough of this frolicking in the pasture.

[understandinglife]

14. Time for me to take a snooze, Homer.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4173.htm


WE THE PEOPLE .... WILL NEVER FORGET

"... we sent our young people into harm's way without leveling with the American people." - Congresswoman Pelosi before Congress, 16 June 2005

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Impeachment of Bush and Cheney; indictment and prosecution of all members of the Bush regime who participated in the deception, should be campaign promises of any candidate worthy of our vote in the 2006 Congressional elections.

[lancdem]

16. He may not be impeached

but this could render him so severely damaged and hurt the Repukes for years to come. That's just as good as impeachment.

[stanwyck]

17. Just remember, Watergate wasn't Watergate

for almost a year.
Drip. Drip. Drip. It matters. That little twisty doubt bores its way into even the thickest of skulls with time. As more soldiers die, as more stories report how Halliburton is cashing in, the oil companies are reporting record profits, and gas prices keep killing the average Joe's monthly budget...that little twisty doubt will grow.
Yeah, the Bushies cooked the books. They played the American people for fools.
Fool me once,
Even Bush managed to, clumsily, get the gist out; we won't get fooled again.
(by the way, Bush mangling the "fool me once..." adage is still one of the funniest Daily Show bits.

[mwb970]

21. What if his popularity rating (in fair polls) went WAY down?

I mean like 20%. Could we STILL get no traction? There has to be a limit.

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