DSM Hearing Thread 3

[steve2470]

Next thread is here....

[deutsey]

1. Apparently CNN showing a car chase

What's on other broadcast news outlets?

[LifeDuringWartime]

26. MSNBC was showing the weather last i checked, commercials now

and yes CNN has a car chase

[sabra]

2. Thanks, wanted to do the same thing...

[uppityperson]

31. Thanks for the new thread. This is great. Who gave war ok

president subverted the constitution, was the congressional vote a vote to go to war because they are the only ones who can say go to war

[Just Me]

UK lawyers were in a panic due to illegality.

They were scrambling around to find some way to create a legal excuse.

[Just Me]

5. Saddam f*cked up their plans by complying with demands *LOL*

[Just Me]

12. Did the Pres engage in activity that subverted the Constitution?

Well, yes,...yes he did!!!! :grr: He intentionally mislead the American people.

[Just Me]

27. Did the Pres deceive Congress into passing a "war" resolution?

IF IF IF the resolution was even a resolution of war.

[Name removed]

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[Nothing Without Hope]

167. Yes, and Bush Admin lawyers lied and bullied them into saying it was legal

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3847225
Thread title: This May 1 EXPOSÉ ABOUT THE U.K. ATT'Y GENERAL complements the DSM:

[Beaverhausen]

3. McGovern is so great

[Hissyspit]

4. SO glad the MJ trial ended several days before this. nt

[rodeodance]

8. no other cables are coving this hearing!!!!

[Debbi801]

54. Not the same, but CNN.com has link to watch feed of this meeting.

[jojo54]

13. But the Aruba thing is still going.......(sigh)

That's o.k. Even if there wasn't something else going on, a story would have been manufactured.

[Demrock6]

19. Yeah but the can talk about Terry Schavio again.......

They are really giving it to Bush*. Calling for impeachment. Providing facts that will make your head spin.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. So CNN is on a chase

what about the rest of them?

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. If CNN is covering a chase you can bet Faux is.

[Pacifist Patriot]

Inside Politics is starting and they aired a blurb about

congressmen from both parties joining together to press for an exit strategy from Iraq.

[Pacifist Patriot]

64. *blurp* Sorry, dup.

[Chichiri]

7. Thanks steve for the 3rd thread

McGovern continues to rock. I wouldn't mind at all if he himself used the I-word.

[rodeodance]

16. conyer--other than the resolution that is recommended what else do

you recommend we do? He is asking the witneseses this question.

[rodeodance]

22. is the invasion legal--that is the question that needs to be asked.

[rodeodance]

30. Did the President deceive the Congress to go to war--needs to be asked

by Congress in an investigation. We need to get to the bottom of this.

[rodeodance]

43. How to proceed to continue this investigation is the question from Conyers

He knows full well that Congress-led by Repugs may not be up to it??

[rodeodance]

57. Max. Walters--asks of McGovernern--you made a statement that Cheney

made a number of visits to the cia (went through a lot of things that Cheney does wrong--enegy bill etc)---arrogrant--not concerned with what Public thinks---you implied that with these visits--something went on (fix intell)---asks would you elablorate??

[rodeodance]

65. she askes--what evidence do you have that Cheney fixed intell?

[rodeodance]

he says--no VP ever visited the cia like cheney did (and all knew Tenet

was cooking things). te he --this man is on a roll.

[rodeodance]

76. says Tenet did nothing to protect the cia workers from pressure from

the WH/Cheney!!!!

[Beelzebud]

9. Fox CNN BOTH covering CAR CHASE IN LA.

This is so pathetic I want to scream....

[indy_azcat]

20. so what's on NBC

:shrug:







...cbs? pbs? meh.

[Pacifist Patriot]

53. MSNBC is covering Iraq....

some pretty face is interviewing a former military person about a major capture in "the new iraq."

*shrug*

[indy_azcat]

91. ahhhh... the caught al-queda #3

again.

[Solly Mack]

10. It's the legally elected government against the selected government

it's the government in exile against the government by coup.

it's what's good about America against what's bad about America

[G_j]

28. absolutely

that is why they are in a tiny basement room. :-(

[Solly Mack]

75. Yep

but it's a positive step. Even in that tiny basement...it's a positive step.

[Pacifist Patriot]

11. Okay, I'm weird, but...

I just want to throw my arms around Ray McGovern and give him a big bear hug.

[faithnotgreed]

17. i wanna do more than that! but a huge hug for all there is in order

[Pacifist Patriot]

36. Could they have shoved them in a smaller room?

Sheesh! Oh well, at least it's on the hill.

[chalky]

18. Then I'm weird, too, PP!

:hug:

[Sapphire Blue]

21. Right there with you!

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Let's DO!

:grouphug:

[Sapphire Blue]

44. ...

:grouphug:

[Dudley_DUright]

41. I have been reading and posting Mr. McGovern's opinions for a long time

He is a true patriot. :patriot:

[Just Me]

47. Unveiling what may be one of the biggest scandals in US History!!!!

Damn straight!!!!

[Sapphire Blue]

60. And for John Bonifaz

:hug: :grouphug:

[Pacifist Patriot]

78. Wow! McGovern says CIA probably couldn't come up with

anything objective at this point.

Oops, wrong place.

Yes, Bonifaz too. Most definitely!

:grouphug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. I wonder if ALL the Congresspeople are going to ask questions?

I want to hear what SJL and Maxine Waters ask! Jim McDermott too...he rocks!

[Beelzebud]

25. Is there any other feeds? I keep getting dropped from cspan.

I don't get c-span 3....

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. for that reson using their radio feed

[Demrock6]

37. I think that is it.

They will rebroadcast on cspan latter tonight.

[senseandsensibility]

140. Do you know what time it will be on c-span tonight?

Thanks!

[G_j]

38. radio feed:

http://kpfa.org/

[Beelzebud]

49. thanks.

[Dudley_DUright]

67. Great idea

Thanks. The C-SPAN3 feed was horrible.

[Karenina]

169. Thanx !

:loveya:

[Hissyspit]

29. Will Pitt blogging: http://blog.pdamerica.org/

http://blog.pdamerica.org/

[indy_azcat]

great minds!

:toast:

[Hissyspit]

62. yup between DU and him, I feel like I'm there!

[faithnotgreed]

32. beautiful that john bonifaz is on side of the consitution. he is amazing

all these witnesses are of course

[faithnotgreed]

40. go maxine waters! "perhaps one of the biggest scandals in us history"

[indy_azcat]

33. thread 3 plug for blog.pdamerica.org/

and Will Pitt's live blog

http://blog.pdamerica.org/

[jojo54]

35. I wonder what Blair's cut in all this was?..........

[Demrock6]

48. I bet he is shitting his pants........

Bush as well.

[nadinbrzezinski]

Same as John Major you can bet

a seat at Carlyle

[in_cog_ni_to]

39. Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Maxine!!!!!!

:loveya: LOVE, LOVE, LOVE that woman!!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. you made a statement that Cheney visited the CIA

it was more than 1 visit. He worked for Halliburton, gave them no-bid contracts, he held meetings with the energy companies. This VP is arrogant and seems to not care what anyone thinks or says.

[Triana]

42. Maxine Waters speaking -

- can't wait to hear what she says. That woman has moxy!

[Triana]

55. Maxine bringing up the no-bid contracts!

and ETF secrecy. 'This VP appears to be more than arrogant'

[Chichiri]

45. Who is the white-haired guy sitting on Conyers' left?

[understandinglife]

51. Congressman McDermott WA

[Chichiri]

66. Thanks!

It looked like Kennedy for some reason.

[FreedomAngel82]

127. I thought so too at first

But then I saw a close up and saw it wasn't Kennedy. Do Senators attend Congressional hearings?

[jojo54]

46. Waters congratulated Conyers on his courage

Go Maxine.

[cynatnite]

50. I've always liked Maxine Waters

She is a tough smart woman!

[lala_rawraw]

52. Mike Smith is watching this he said

And feels humbled that he had something to do with it. Please email him with thanks and support at the Times Online.

Thank you.

[cynatnite]

74. oops n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

58. Rep Waters is kicking ass

She's great! Giving hell to Cheney!

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

59. "This vice president is not concerned with what the American people...

...think of him or his actions"

-Maxine Waters

:toast:

[fla nocount]

61. Cheney's ass on the block again, Halliburton, Gitmo, CIA, et al

[fla nocount]

71. In 27 years no VP had ever been briefed by CIA, until Cheney

[fla nocount]

82. Tenet was complicit in deception, CIA is "corrupt"

[fla nocount]

106. Cheney "I don't know how our oil ended up in Iraq"

[chalky]

63. Ohhhh....this is gonna be good ! McGovern on Cheney's CIA visits.

:popcorn:

[bvar22]

68. QUICK!!! Change the Channel!!!!

CNN featuring a low speed chase with a red Pick Up!!!!!!
This is IMPORTANT NEWS!!!!!
:sarcasm:

I have the sound off, just noticed the silent pictures!

[Generator]

83. 6 more soldiers died today and countless Iraqi's

Too bad today's news is "old news". How fucking dumb do they think we are?

[jillan]

99. Let's get on our phones and call these assholes!

Anyone ready to yell with me?
Cnn/Msnbc/Fox!!!!

Why aren't you covering this?!

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. Cheney's CIA visits...8-9 TIMES was UNPRECEDENTED!!!!

Says Ray McGovern. Cheney was "cooking things" to give the prez what he wanted!!!! WHOA!!!!!!

[bluedog]

70. these people are TRUE AMERICANS

thank you people.....you are fighting for us the real people out here.............yahoo...........give them HELL.Defend the Soldiers and the USA........

[Amonester]

102. True! DU'ers and blogers then go out to INFORM the uninformed

So in the name of the Civilized World out there: a major Thank You!!

:hi:

[faithnotgreed]

72. ray mcgovern (im in love): its not unusual that the vp visit cia

its unprecedented!

in 27 yrs not even ghw bush visited and he was in the cia

this is in response to maxine waters asking if its unusual that vp cheney visited cia
ray said it was 8 or 9 times

eta: i have known of mr mcgovern through a pastor/church here in dc
real americans and a real picture of Christianity mr bush

[jojo54]

73. The ripple effect on this is gonna be HUGE!!!!!!

[Demrock6]

79. we can hope!

[indie_voter]

80. One can only hope. n/t

[rodeodance]

84. msnbc is now playing a clip of Mom--Sheenan testimony!!

[rodeodance]

89. msnbc--nowing short report on 'fixing the intel"

[Pacifist Patriot]

97. God I hope so!

That video McGovern showed needs to be blasted out there. We all know it, but so many people are totally oblivious.

[cynatnite]

77. I remember it being said that there was a reason that CIA...

headquarters is in Langley and not in DC.

[Goldmund]

81. Something confuses me

He says that Tenet was over Cheney's shoulder "because that is normal procedure" -- but how can it be normal procedure when Cheney's visits were "unprecedented" to begin with?

[lala_rawraw]

87. Because

Andy deligate from the White to CIA would have to have "head over shoulder" deal. It just happened to be Cheney.

[Goldmund]

95. Got it, thx

[Hissyspit]

88. Normal procedure for a VIP, not necessarily VP

[in_cog_ni_to]

94. Probably normal to have the CIA director with any important politico.

That's just a guess. ;)

[faithnotgreed]

98. i believe normal for this administration. he said they got the answers

they wanted because they made it clear what they wanted to hear

[SCDem]

100. I thought he was saying Tenet standing above

other CIA agent's shoulders who may have had something to say.

[DoYouEverWonder]

117. That was in regards to the President's Daily Briefings

that Tenet decided he should attend everyday. In the past, the briefer would have done this alone.

[Sydnie]

85. "Not only is it unusual, it is unprecedented" for the VP

to visit the CIA. Tenet didn't protect their people from the pressure put on them. Tenet hitched a ride with the daily briefer to the WH!

[FreedomAngel82]

86. McGovern mentioned the oil!

[lala_rawraw]

96. Okay, nose must stop bleeding... any suggestions?

Tried pressure, now what? Cold, hot, what?

[chalky]

110. Hate to say this, but maybe you'd better step back from the hearing

just for a few minutes.
Don't worry...we'll catch you up when you get back.

[lala_rawraw]

124. It is not the hearing, I don't think...

I feel like maybe I just ran a long marathon and just finally crossed the finish line and realized I was not paying attention to my body while running... does that make sense?

[jojo54]

118. Stuff cotton in your nostrils???

I only get small bleeds when allergies are bad. Sorry I can't help.

[BlueEyedSon]

119. cold, on the bridge or side. Pack with tissue, gauze or cotton.

Tilt head back.

[uppityperson]

120. cold. pinch it, apply cold to upper lip, some say bk of neck

[nadinbrzezinski]

123. cold compress over the bridge of the nose

keep pressure on

Also is this bleeding on the "back" and going into the throat? If it is, it may be more serious than just a simple nose bleed

[marions ghost]

130. cold pack

[Stephanie]

Cold - washcloth with ice

or bag of frozen peas if you have

[Viva_La_Revolution]

133. ice at the base of your skull....

sit still, don't get all worked up :P

[Just Me]

142. pinch the rim of your nose 'til it stops; put a cool cloth on for awhile

breath in and out of your mouth :-)

[Pacifist Patriot]

144. Lie down, head back, cold compress with mild pressure, put your feet up.

[Marnieworld]

152. Keep with the pressure , tilt your head back

and I hate to say it but step away from TV and internet. Lie down and relax Lala. breathe deeply. Visualize impeachment, indictment, and imprisionment. Visualize a beautiful tide turning. Visualize a happy lala. Clearly this is literally making your blood boil. Your bleeding heart is spilling over. You are having a physical reaction produced from your emotions. You are unbelievably connected to this obviously from your incredible timeline work but you gotta take care of you too.

The threads will be here. C-span will repeat. Just be with Lala. :hug:

[BlueEyedSon]

90. OIL OIL OIL!!! thx Ray!

[faithnotgreed]

114. cheney had maps of iraq oilfield. elad or earl had thread earlier today

on this. from cheneys secret energy meetings

oil oil oil. money money money

[Nordmadr]

92. PEAK OIL WAR PART I N/T

[Pryderi]

93. Doesn't Sensenbrenner have to start the inquiry, since he's the chairman

of the judiciary?

[Nictuku]

121. Yes

There will be no official impeachment inquiry, this meeting is a 'forum', not a 'hearing', they have no subpoena power, and it is possible (hell, probable) that it will be ignored completely by the Republicans who hold the majority.

But small steps will get you there eventually. Re-taking the house in 2006 is the key. The information from this forum will be a start so that the Democratic House can begin impeachment actions IMMEDIATELY in Jan 2007 when they take office.

This is just getting some of the footwork done so no time is wasted so that the bastard can be impeached for his high crimes and treason, along with his entire cabinet.

[fla nocount]

131. Don't think so, simply has to allow the floor the whoever has it

concealed in their hot little hand. Conyers is a ranking member of that commission.

[chalky]

143. This is a "forum". Sensenbastard isn't needed.

n/t

[kaitykaity]

101. We know about the Will Pitt blog already.

Give it a rest.

:argh:

Jeez.

[marions ghost]

103. McGovern (former CIA) said

"the management of the CIA permitted political pressure to be put on their analysts" -- unprecedented

[Triana]

109. this was alluded to in some articles before but...

...no one really paid any attn to it.

Hopefully they will now!

[Goldmund]

104. "Don't knoiw how our oil got beneath the sands of Iraq"

[jean]

105. McGovern: What you've got left is people who will cooperate with this

kind of thing... talking about bush admin interference

[skooooo]

107. Did Conyers present that 500K signatures?

Or refer to them yet? I've just tuned in and missed alot.

[Demrock6]

108. I dont think so......... yet that is.

[Pacifist Patriot]

116. I believe he is scheduled to do that at 5:00 this afternoon...

after the hearing. I do not know if that has changed though.

[bvar22]

115. I believe he is going to bring them to the WhiteHouse

later this afternoon!

[jean]

154. he said on Franken today that he'll deliver them afterwards, and said

he has a number of young men helping out and also some not so young, after Al commented it would be heavy work, with all the signatures.

Conyers delivering the signatures reminds me of when Max Cleland wheeled up to the entrance of bush's Crawford ranch to deliver a letter asking bush to condemn Swift Boat Vets ads bashing Kerry.
I wonder how much drama there will be today when Conyers makes his delivery.

Political drama unfolds as letter carriers fail to deliver
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/25/cleland.swiftboat/

...

Upon his arrival at the ranch, Cleland -- who lost both legs and an arm during the Vietnam War -- was met by Texas Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, himself a Vietnam veteran.

Patterson said Bush had asked him to accept the letter from Cleland. But the Georgia Democrat refused to hand it over. Instead, he said he wanted to deliver the letter personally to Bush or, barring that, to a member of the Secret Service. When he succeeded at neither, Cleland took the message to the news media.

"These scurrilous attacks on John Kerry's credibility in war, courage and valor are false and George Bush is behind it," he said. "That's why I tried to deliver a letter to the president's home and hand it either to him or one of his aides."

...

"The question is: Where is George Bush's honor? The question is: Where is his shame to attack a fellow veteran who has distinguished himself in combat?" Cleland asked. If the president of the U.S. does not stick up for veterans who distinguish themselves in war," he asked, "who will he stick up for?"

[Hissyspit]

111. Someone in another thread said MSNBC covering hearings.

Don't know if they mean streaming or just a mention/headline.

Can someone check? I can drive home and watch if they are.

[Pacifist Patriot]

125. weather right now.

[in_cog_ni_to]

126. Nope...not on TV. They may have a link on their site?

:shrug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

139. SO.... we KNOW KKKRove is watching this.

What are they going to do now? IGNORE it like they've been doing? Or come out with some more LIES as excuses?

[bvar22]

Right Now, MSNBC has the Weather on

Cnn doing regular stuff, no Conyers

[Pacifist Patriot]

136. Now it's health watch.

Typical coverage. I haven't even noticed it being mentioned in the crawl.

[kansasblue]

112. Barney Frank!

[DS1]

122. Someone from MA worth a damn

Kickass

[TayTay]

146. Depends on whether or not

he is talking about Dean. Today, you like him. Fickle bunch of people.

[in_cog_ni_to]

113. Barney Frank!!!

Some have been arguing that they knew about the memos all along. If they knew about the memo, why the hell didn't they do something about it a long time ago?

[faithnotgreed]

129. haha.. both of you posting about barney frank! great question he posed

if press knew all about this (as they claim) then why didnt they do something about it!

[goclark]

156. Did Barney Frank ask that question of someone?

[indy_azcat]

128. it's hard to have a good exit strategy when you don't have a

good entrance strategy - you gotta have a GOOD reason to be there.

duh. oil.

[faithnotgreed]

135. thats one main tipoff point: they had no exit strategy

and that tipped of no one?

[Hissyspit]

141. I wish someone would mention how Bush first BLAMED the CIA

for not finding enough evidence for WMD before the war, and them BLAMED the CIA for all the "false" evidence after none were found. That is itself proof of a sort.

[Chichiri]

132. Joe Wilson again

I think Dustin Hoffman should play him in the DSM motion picture. ;)

[Demrock6]

137. I second that!

Give'em hell Joe!

[leftchick]

165. No Way!

Harrison Ford with Hair!!

;)

[Rainscents]

134. New Tread Please!

[slybacon9]

138. MSM FOX etc...

does anyolne have numbers handy?

[Chichiri]

145. DSM Hearing Thread 4 is up now

Enjoy

[redacted]

147. Just emailed BBC News asking if they're covering the event

Sent this message:

Just wondering if News 24 has plans to cover the U.S. Congressional hearings on the Downing Street Memo, which is live now on CSPAN3 at cspan.org. From a blog I'm told that every major U.S. TV network is covering the hearings, but audience members can't tell if BBC News has a crew there. Will BBC cover this event as well?

Sent via this page:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_3960000/newsid_3961500/3961515.stm

[pinto]

148. thread 4 here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3874193

[ProudDad]

149. CNN 3 is showing the hearing

www.cspan.org -- i'm watching the stream right now. Hope they have a lot of bandwidth for everyone who wants to see it.

[seafan]

150. What we are witnessing is a real-time presentation of all the information

we, and millions of other dedicated true patriots of America have dug and scraped out over the past 5 years with our bare hands, until they have bled. We will NOT allow the Bush Administration pirates to bloody and rob our country any further.

Today is an historical day, people.

[grace0418]

151. This made me cry...

From Will Pitt's blog:

McGovern: "“We’re not talking about Georgetown parlor games here. These are consequential, death-dealing lies.” Mocking Bush for pretending to look for WMD at the Correspondent’s Dinner. Sheehan’s son was killed 11 days “after that big joke.”

I remember seeing that "big joke" on the news and getting so angry I wanted to smash the t.v. Just thinking about it makes me sick to my stomach. I know you all know this already but sometimes I am just terribly reminded what a fucking arrogant, smug, unfeeling piece of shit he is. The deepest pits of hell (if there is one) are too good for him. I cannot even conceive of a just punishment for the loathesome toad.

[lynch03]

153. When is this going to be on regular c-span, or is it???

When is this going to be on regular c-span, or is it???

[seafan]

157. I heard it will be on CSpan 2 on Friday, June 17 at 8pm EDT.

Check at cspan.org for updates.

[Sapphire Blue]

158. C-SPAN 2 @ 8:00 PM EDT tomorrow (Friday)

[Hissyspit]

159. Will Pitt said repeat on CSpan 2. Details:

http://blog.pdamerica.org/

...so it does me no good. I only get CSpan

[myrna minx]

155. Wow-this is democracy in action.

:bounce: :bounce:

[Beaverhausen]

160. can someone lock this thread? we alraedy have a 4th one.

[ProudDad]

161. As william f. buckley said

"A conservative is a liberal who's been mugged."

the response is that "a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested."

Joe Wilson is becomming a great "liberal"...

I like this guy...

[JoMama49]

162. Did we know there would be this many congressmen/women showing

up to this Hearing? Wow, I'm impressed - folks just keep comin in. How can the powers that be keep ignoring this?
JoMama.

[Nabia2004]

164. Is this being held in the basement?

Anyone know where this forum is being held?

[Moderator]

163. lock

thread four up

[indy_azcat]

166. hey - this isn't locked

:hi:

[Moderator]

168. Locking

continue here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3874731