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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 07:57 AM
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Civil Disobedience/Passive Resistance? Are You Willing To Get Arrested?
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 08:45 AM by DistressedAmerican
I posted this once back in March. But, I thought it could stand to be revisited.

It is crucial that moves be made to wake the American people up to the war and other injustices being committed in our names. We need some rethinking of what we are willing to do to end the war. I posted yesterday suggesting it might take a draft to wake us up.

An alternative suggestion for today. Martin Luther King style "Civil Disobedience" or "Passive Resistance."

It is time to make the old new again people!

If you are at a rally and the police begin making arrests. Make them take ALL OF YOU. Not just a few people at a protest, as we saw in Jersey (see below) and other cases.

ALL of ya (or at least those healthy enough, without young kids, etc).

It worked great for the Civil Rights Movement. Worked effectively against the Vietnam War (Now, those folks could throw a sit in!) and of course there is the British occupation of India. Organized civil disobedience combined with NON-VIOLENT passive resistance has proven effective time and time again.

We must hang together when the police try to disperse anti-Bush rallies. Surely, if we do not have each others backs out there, none of us feel secure!

THE ORIGINAL POST SLIGHTLY EDITED:

As many of you know I have spent much of the past several days pulling together photos, video, and written accounts of police actions during the recent POTUS (President Of The United States) visit to New Jersey.
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The full information can be found at:
http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distresseamerican/westfield.htm

There is video of the NJ arrests posted as well at:
http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/westfieldvideo/WestfieldArrest.avi

http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/westfieldvideo/WestfieldPoliceState.avi
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SUGGESTED TACTICS FOR FUTURE PROTESTERS AT BUSH EVENTS: LESSONS LEARNED IN WESTFIELD, NJ 3/4/05

Several intimidation tactics are being employed at these events. It is best to be prepared in advance for what you might see out there.

The tactics they are employing are fairly simple and should also be fairly simple to defeat.

So far we have seen that as the New Jersey event was letting out, the police decided to disperse the crowd of (perfectly legal) protesters. They began by grabbing and arresting several people from the crowd, none of whom had in any way broken the law. These arrests were them used to threaten the others that if they did not disperse they would also be arrested. In the New Jersey case the tactic worked fairly well. They arrested 9 and dispersed the protesters in minutes.

Here's what I suggest. First, take a video camera. Shoot throughout. From multiple vantage points if you can organize it. It is a lot easier to defend people who are charged with video than just a story. Do not rely on photos. They are largely useless in court.

Second, if arrests begin, it is important for the crowd NOT TO DISPERSE. I think it would be far more effective for everyone to just sit right down there and if need be get arrested. It is a lot harder for the main stream media to ignore the arrests of 150 protesters than it is to ignore 9.

Also, it is important pre-establish outside contacts who know where to look for you. Try to set aside possible bail money in advance. Keep a cell phone handy for calling the media, and your personal contacts if arrests begin. Am I forgetting anything?

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(Please Note: This should not be in anyway considered legal advice, Just My Thoughts On The Issue.)

Good Sources For Legal Info Include:
The National Lawyers Guild - http://www.nlg.org/
See Their Links Page For Many Good resources -
http://www.nlg.org/resources/links.htm

The American Civil Liberties Union - http://www.aclu.org/
See Their Section Called Right To Protest For Similar Ongoing Cases And Resources - http://www.aclu.org/FreeSpeech/FreeSpeechlist.cfm?c=86


For those interested in the case discussed above the latest information is that Emily Colvin continues to fight the disorderly conduct charges against her. The case is still pending as her lawyer moved for a change of venue. The original judge, her family and the prosecutor were all in attendance at the event in question!

Fortunately for her, her family is behind her 100 percent and she has a lawyer.

Most went before the republican judge (who had clear conflicts and should have offered to recuse herself) 8 of the 9 people discussed above have already been convicted and fined.

Emily is still fighting...



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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:00 AM
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1. Yes.
I think that the time has come when people of conscience should be willing to be arrested and go to jail. In fact, I think that we must consider not only filling the jails, but staying in them in large numbers, and going on hunger strikes.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:12 AM
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2. I Completely Agree. While, I'd Never Try To Give Anyone Medical Advice,
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 08:12 AM by DistressedAmerican
A hunger strike is hard on the body. But, if it was good enough for Gandhi, it is good enough for me!

EVERYBODY NOW, " Give me those old time protest tactics! Give me those old time protest tactics! If they were good enough for the Mahatma, they're good enough for me!"
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:25 AM
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4. Gandhi
was a strong man. He was in very good physical condition.
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:22 AM
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3. Grew up in Chicago in sixties !
I was around 8-10 years old when the rioting was going on in Chicago ,they had the riots after Rev.Martin Luther King was killed and also the riots during the 68 Democrat convention .I was much to young to really know about who was right or wrong on the war ,I now know the Irag is our Viet Nam , and I wish the thousands of people would have showed up at the repuk convention to protest what we where and are still doing in Irag ! It just seems the the "me" generation of the nineties and this decade ,would never take the time to put their time and effort into a large enough movement to show what a farce this idiot in office we have is.No noe seems to care enough ,well at least not on a large enough scale to raise any interest from our media that seems to think Micheal Jacksons problems are more important then people dying in Irag .Iam really saddened and sick of the prioroties of our country .Everythnig revovles around the almighty $ ,and if you not rich or working towards becoming rich ,you are considered a big loser ! What about the value of the human soul ,why are most of the protesters fronm the sixties now conservative money gubbers ! Even the motorcycle gangs are usally a bunch of guys who put on a suit and tie during the week . Its all more money for me , and F evryone else. Bush is the perfect example of this ,selfishness to the bone ,and most of them hide behind the bible the whole time ,while doing tings that has God crying !
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:31 AM
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6. We Were Out There In Droves In NYC For The RNC!
Not just thousands, HUNDREDS of thousands.

http://www.seedsofdoubt.com/distressedamerican/RNC.htm

Now that was an opportunity for a large sit down type demonstration!
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SouthernDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:30 AM
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5. Nope ;)
;)
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:32 AM
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7. Good To See Ya!
You gotta do what you gotta do:hi:!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 08:54 AM
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8. So Far Replies Are Running 50/50. Anyone Else Want In?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:01 AM
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9. Yes, I'm willing to go to jail over this war,
Besides, I been to jail over other protests, so why not this one? I'll have no fear when it comes, and besides, going to the county lock up with a bunch of your fellow protestors can be a blast.
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GarySeven Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:07 AM
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10. I was arrested many times during the 60s ...
... I remember one time, in particular: it was August in Chicago and a police officer had just clubbed me over the head and knocked me to the pavement.

Ah, those were the good old days. But we were different from the young people today; better mannered, in particular. We would pick up the tear gas cannisters and toss them back saying "heads up, you fucking pig!" Now the kids just toss 'em back without sounding any kind of alert. That's just wrong.

I'm perfectly willing to do it all over again, too. I hope that I'm not the only geezer out there; kids nowadays also don't know any good old protest songs.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 09:20 AM
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11. LOL!!! That Was Freaking FUNNY!!!
"heads up, you fucking pig!":rofl:
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:32 AM
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12. Sorry, Just Followed Up And Found Out I Had Some Details Wrong
Emily and one other are coming to trial in another jurisdiction on the 27th. New video has also surfaced. I am getting my hands on it ASAP. I was contacted by someone who saw the posting on the site.

The guy who shot it and contacted me is the best friend of one of those accused. Informed me that his charges were dropped after four court dates.

My sister is meeting with the lawyer soon to get ready for testimony about her video.

Pretty sure that makes it 6 convictions, 1 charges dropped, 2 awaiting trial. I'll have my sis confirm with the lawyer!
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:41 AM
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13. No, Democrats are supposed to be Polite !
At least according to the leadership that attacks Howard Dean for merely stating the obvious.

Those same Democratic leaders, Biden, Barak, and John Edwards, would probably attack anyone for being rude enough to question the war.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 01:29 PM
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14. Afternoon Kicker!
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NeoTraitors Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 01:44 PM
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15. 'By any means necessary'
Well at least short of violence. There is little I wouldn't do to drive the traitors from power.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 02:01 PM
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16. People Are Dying Every Day! It Is The Least I Can Do!
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:49 PM
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17. Kick
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 04:25 PM
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18. What's Up? No Fire From The Digital Streets?
Only we can provide the balance!

Anyone opposed?

Lets hear it GD!

IT IS THESE GUYS WE MUST RESIST!!!

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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 10:16 PM
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19. ...
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:06 PM
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20. Yes.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 03:38 AM
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21. That's One More!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 03:40 AM
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22. Yes, but you knew that
:-)
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