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Doug Decker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:21 PM
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Richard Perle getting his ass kicked on PBS...
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 08:28 PM by Doug Decker
Jim Lehrer show, woman from Code Pink is laying it out. Halliburton and Bectel. Profitteering in the war. West Coast

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Doug Decker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:22 PM
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1. She just challenged him to go to Baghdad...
with her and is really calling him out. It's great. Get a transcript if you can.

This is wonderful!!!

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Doug Decker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:26 PM
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2. There is only sporadic electricity...
the streets are filled with green goo. No water. This is just what she said.

Code Pink for Peace.

Perle is slime. Just tried to slap down the woman, and she didn't let him.

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Doug Decker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:27 PM
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3. Medea Benjamin was the name of the Code Pink...
representative. She kicked Perle's ass and could be a DUer, she knew all the issues.

Nice, but firm, spokesperson, very good.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:07 AM
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22. I voted for her
and will whenever she is on a ballot . Do you realize how many times
Medea has been arrested and or removed from a televised room
with rummy / cheney etc............She's great .
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Dude_CalmDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:35 PM
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4. West Coast?
I flipped over and couldn't find it. So if you're watching on the west coast then I'm going back to see Nigel Marvin act like a crazy phuk around a bunch of adult lions.
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linda d Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:42 PM
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5. pbs has the link
to the newshour. the transcript and audio are available/

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec03/f...
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Doug Decker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:04 PM
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9. Thanks for posting that link...
:hi:
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:09 PM
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10. Yeah, thanks for the link
there was a thread earlier when it was on east but no link was up then. Welcome to DU, linda d. :hi:
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Dude_CalmDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:11 PM
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11. Thanks - just read it and...
...Perle got spanked so bad that my ass hurts.
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:41 PM
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12. Medea Benjamin for President 2004
:loveya:
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eablair3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:51 PM
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13. what else would one expect from a Green Party member and candidate
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 11:51 PM by eablair3
It doesn't surprise me at all that Medea Benjamin had Perle for lunch. What's most surprising to me is that Lehrer had Medea Benjamin on.

She was a former candidate for Senator in California for the Green Party. And, she is a co-founder of Global Exchange. http://www.globalexchange.org

Leave it to the Greens to call them out and spank them. How different things would be with people like Medea Benjamin in the Senate. Makes you think.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:33 AM
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26. I was surprised, too.
Even more surprised that Lehrer gave her the parting shot.
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:41 AM
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29. The thing is, she took the parting shot
she didn't wait for anyone to give it to her.

RC
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:52 AM
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31. I vote for her against Diane Finemess
She's one tight lady.
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:12 AM
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28. Wow, This woman (MEDEA BENJAMIN) is truly devastating...
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 03:13 AM by Oracle
She made it very clear Perle couldn't give a shit less about the people of Iraq and only wants to keep funneling money to Halliburton and the rest. What a pig Perle is indeed.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:50 AM
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37. just read it too
I thought she was fantastic. Pow!
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Doug Decker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:02 PM
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8. I should have said Southern California...
sorry. It's Time Warner Cable (ughh).

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Bush_has_Parvo Donating Member (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:52 PM
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6. Just read the transcript--Medea did great!
Perle came off as the out of touch tower dweller that he is. Very good of Newshour to have her on!
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Doug Decker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:01 PM
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7. You described it perfectly...
It was like Medea was on the street and Perle in a glass bubble.

Welcome to DU. :hi:
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:17 AM
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14. The transcript looked awesome
but why do lefties always belong to organizations named something like 'Code Pink?' It automatically gets a snicker and damages credibility. And then this lady, who certainly seemed to do a good job on the transcripts, has a first name of 'Medea.' A real winner, there. It may sound like I'm making light of this, but I'm really not. Perle is swine, and people need to know that, but PR counts, and naming an organization 'Code Pink' isn't likely to win a lot of 'NASCAR dads' over to the cause.

On the bright side, at least not too many NASCAR dads will have a clue what the name Medea is about.
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:22 AM
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15. Cynical but true
Her name is fine, but Code Pink turns people off. Oh well.

She seemed hard nosed, and argued well. She's a Green? Damn. Wish she was a Dem.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:27 AM
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18. turns you off?
Code Pink is reference to the Homeland Security color codes. Too bad you righties dont understand that anti-war folks actually believe in something, instead of trying to fit in to your idea of whats acceptable to the swing voters.
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:33 AM
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19. Preaching to the choir
is well and good (I do it myself), but if it's on the News Hour, I'd like some converts. I thought she was great, but she doesn't need to convince me. The force of her personality and her mind shone through. The folks who would get the code pink joke don't need to converted: those who are hearing this discussion in earnest for the first time, who might get turned off by weird stickers, are the ones who need their minds changed.

And what's this: "righties"? I'm being purged from progressivity by the Commissar for Purity? Sorry, comrade.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:25 AM
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16. ...
I believe Medea Benjamin has made trips to the west bank and gaza. Another anti-semite in love with Palestinians!
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WillyBrandt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:26 AM
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17. Who said that?
n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:35 AM
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27. Wait - hating a traitor like Perle is ANTI-SEMITIC? Is that your point?
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 01:36 AM by Zhade
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:00 AM
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32. no
usually anyone who speaks up for the Palestinians gets that label

anybody who doesnt like Perle is intelligent
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:04 AM
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21. Whoa Billy!!! I smell a little intolerance
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 01:04 AM by nothingshocksmeanymo
Nascar dads are NOT the only Dems to consider no matter HOW much more important you think they are.

The expectation that everyone should have a WASPY sounding name was lost when Condoleeza got a gig so I think your other salient point could be dismissed.

Code Pink has been quite effective in their campaign to LET PEOPLE KNOW it is OK to dissent and.....


IF NASCAR DADS got what Medea was, they would be imagining that she wanted to bring her lover over and have a threesome with them...after all, it's all about THEM so no biggie.

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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:14 AM
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23. I used the NASCAR dad bit as a demographic placeholder.
The simple fact is, I know lots of people who aren't even Republican who would take one look at Medea, see the name of her organization, and assume she was a crank. These are reasonably bright, well-intentioned people, but the conditioning is there. Not taking that fact into account is a marketinbg blunder, and it has practical costs; practical costs in this case means more dead Iraqis.

Easier and better to see things for what they are and adapt, than to be stubborn about it. In real life, the mountain does not come to Mohammed. :/
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:21 AM
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24. Not at all correct. I don't know where you live but you need to get
out more. That is your perception and while I don't doubt for a minute that that is a valid DEMOGRAPHIC to consider, it is not he BE ALL and END all DEMOGRAPHIC.

Make you appeals all you want but there IS a large voting population that doesn't even remotely resemble your NASCAR DADS.

Don't know what region you are in but if YOU WANT TO WIN votes, maybe explore a bit.

YOu can play up that group all you want but it isn't going to win any votes you need to keep on board.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:29 AM
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25. sorry Billy....weak Democrats == "more dead Iraqis."
Don't try to pawn everything off on the people who actually give a shit.
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Francis Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 03:42 AM
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30. Code Pink
I saw the show, she was very good but I was put off by the big code pink badge.
If anything it detracted from her delivery which was excellent.
I haven't heard of it before.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:09 AM
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34. Patsies (NOT!)
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 09:18 AM by WoodrowFan
I wish I had watched her. My wife and I were watching the Newshour and when that story came on my wife said "What is hell is Code Pink?" * I told her it was an anti-war organization. I figured (Wrongly it appears!) that she was some patsy picked to make Perle look good ("but, but richard, if we just gave Saddam and hug and a puppy he would have been ok!"), so we turned back to BBC News. DAMN. I would have love to seen Perle get slapped around. She sounds impresive and I will listen next time. My apologies to Code Pink for pulling a freeper..


* My wife is more liberal than I am on most issues and much more against the war in Iraq than I initially was...
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:12 AM
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35. Medea Benjamin could kick everyone's ass on this board
and she is five foot nuthin, maybe 100 pounds soaking wet. I've met her; EXTRAORDINARY woman, no one but no one to fool with.

How many NASCAR dudes watch PBS?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:43 AM
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39. Exactly!
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:36 AM
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20. His Karma hasn't even begun!
LOL!!!!!!!!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:26 AM
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33. BWHAAAHAA! My favorite part....
from the link...

<Snip>
MEDEA BENJAMIN: Well, I challenge to you go there with me, Mr. Perle, because I was there in July, I was there in August, I don't stay in the presidential palace, I don't go around with bodyguards and helicopters and sniffing dogs like Paul Bremer and Colin Powell. I challenge to you go with me, without any bodyguards and let's walk around the streets of the cities of Iraq and see what it looks like six months after the U.S. occupation.

RICHARD PERLE: With all due respect, your sojourns in the cities of Iraq are hardly the appropriate measure of how well we have done in restoring electricity and getting water back on track. I don't think --

MEDEA BENJAMIN: You know better sitting in Washington, D.C.?


LOL!! You go girl! Showed perle for the piece of crap he is!

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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:05 AM
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38. "You know better sitting in Washington, DC?" LMAO!!
Max Cleland was right on the money last week when he said,
"If you want to know what is really going on in the war, ask the troops on the ground, not the policy-makers in Washington."

Link:
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0918-10.htm

That same sentiment also applies to talking to regular everyday Iraqi citizens i/o government officials in an air-conditioned office.

:kick:

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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:45 AM
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36. Medea was excellent
I don't think that show has had any exchange
lately like that. Someone needed to stand up
to Perle. Hurrah for Medea.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:00 PM
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40. She Was Horrible!!!!!
I agreed with everything she said, but she was such a "deer in the headlights" that she looked terrified to argue with Perle.

She wouldn't call a lie, a lie. She let him skate on several clear avoidances.

We liberals need more extremely assertive and well spoken representatives on TV so we don't look like we're scared of the bad guys.
The Professor
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:09 PM
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41. huh ? direct contradiction with most of the other posts here ....
were you watching the same interview ?


:hippie:
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