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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:03 PM
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Grand Slam at the UN?
Is this what the Chimp needs to recover? By all indications he's going to be his ridiculous, belligerent self at the UN. I think the new product we're seeing this fall is this pathetic, sychophantic Fox interview and the speech at the UN. This is what they've got and they have to use a defective product to push it.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:36 PM
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1. Stump at the UN
On CBSNews tonight the White House correspondent said that Bush was not going to be conciliatory, but rather was going to be pushy, threatening the UN with irrelevance if the organization does not grovel at the Stump's feet. That should REALLY work, yeh.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:51 PM
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2. I can't wait to see it
I love seeing him humiliate himself AND shoot himself in the foot all at the same time. It's not likely to play well in Peoria, either.

Sadly, the stakes are very high. But it's not like anyone could persuade him differently -- no "focus groups" or anything like that. So we'll just have to live with the effects of his stupidity, arrogance and incompetence, I'm afraid.

Eloriel
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:18 PM
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3. The incompetence is staggering
Some may argue that there's an element in all this that is quite successful at accomplishing a certain agenda. That may be true, however, the Chimp has no idea and is an utter, devastating, miserable failure of a President.
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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:39 PM
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9. We are seeing an historic, rare meltdown at the highest level.
I don't know of a precedent in US history. The only one that comes to mind is LBJ. Yet he had many redeeming qualities for people on both sides of the aisle.

Perhaps the closest parallel is Harding, though I know little about that time.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:23 PM
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4. Train wreck city tomorrow
He's got nothing. That vehicle Fox gave him was a priceless gift. I've watched Reagan and Bush Sr. manage to make me like both of them with venues like that interview, but Bush Jr. did absolutely nothing with it. He's a huge zero, the worst president ever no contest.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:15 PM
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5. Who the Hell are his speechmakers/advisors?? Damn, they need more
Prozac/Jim Bean
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Fixated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:17 PM
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6. .......
You know how Bush can say the most inspiring, pre-written shit and everyone but us loves him for it? The UN tends to side with us on that issue. No matter what he says....
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:32 PM
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7. Gotta admit.
I tape all of his speeches because I don't want to miss it when he blows it in public.

He's really going to make me sick to my stomach telling the UN what their responsibilities are.

I gotta feeling he's going to make the UN sicker.

The absolute utter gall of this prick. He uses our military first to steal oil from Iraq, and then to police Iraq for his family and buddies, and now he expects the UN to pay for fixing Iraq.

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Merlin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:37 PM
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8. You are courageously fullfilling a needed role...
kind of like those people who go out and pick up body parts after a plane crash.

I do not envy you. Thank you very, very much for what you are doing.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:41 PM
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10. Time/ channel ?
Does anyone know what time he will be making a fool of himself and if any cable channels are carrying it live? I have an online link to watch if needs be but would rather have it on the telly.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:49 PM
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11. Makes me really edgy when he is in NY at the UN
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 09:51 PM by havocmom
Isn't this the second time he has gone right before Rosh Hashanah? Seems like another "Bring 'em on" to any hairbrain looking to be a footnote in history.

And since I lean towards LIHOP or even MIHOP theory of disasters that have helped the neocons, and think * has become a major liability to the PNAC crowd, it makes me very concerned. Ashcroft has been beating the Patriot Act drum too much of late. Do I just need to adjust my herbal meds and calm down?

Edited for clarity
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zekeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:14 PM
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21. He does need something
but a LIHOP or MIHOP is not the answer. He has had Asscrack touring the nation touting how safe we are and how we owe it all to Bush*. Homeland security is the only thing he has left and another attack of any size on Americn soil would sink his canoe.
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Avatar13 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:58 PM
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12. You can't get a grand slam if you're belligerent
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 10:16 PM by Avatar13
...or ridiculous for that matter. He struck out the last time with the GA, been proven wrong repeatedly since then, and now has the gall to (again) threaten the UN of irrelevancy? His allies are already wary of him as it is, and now he wants to risk losing them by taking an attitude? There will be no recovery from this speech. The festering of the wound may slow down at best, but this won't happen if he is his usual self.

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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:09 PM
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15. Welcome to DU
We share your outrage but be careful of threats of violence.

I hope you enjoy your stay here. :hi:
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:10 PM
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17. Your post is way over the line
I've alerted the mods. I suggest you edit out your final statement.
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Avatar13 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:13 PM
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18. Whoa, dude
... you should be careful in making or fantasizing threats against anyone here.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:59 PM
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13. Here's the deal with the UN speech
Bushie's internal polling data not only registered the very public plummet of his approval in the last three weeks, but (and this may be owing only to their own biases and blindnesses) also attributed it to the perceived caving to the UN on Iraq.

Some of this was quite out in the open, as when some imbecile freeper posted that Bushie could not "beg France for help" in his Sunday night disaster speech, that he "could not be allowed to humiliate us in that way!!!" Unfortunately - and despite the bizarre protestations of such eminent morons as Thomas Friedman and L. Paul Bremer - the situation on the ground, which is to say, that reality with which the GOP and their flackies are so unfamiliar, REQUIRES that he do just that. Of necessity, and, at this point, of desperate, pining, aching and thoroughgoing necessity.

ROVIAN solution: Put out the laughably transparent cover story that Bushie will chastise the UN and stick to his guns and justify the invasion , etc., etc. This is clearly the DESIGNED PERCEPTION of the speech. The interesting part will be to see if it really comes out that way.

If it does, it will be a grotesque failure with respect to its actual purpose - securing the desperately needed aid.

If it does not, it may NOT be a grotesque failure with respect to its ideological purpose - bolstering the mortified base.

In any case, Bush is in a dilemma; he has reached the point every compulsive liar reaches: the point where the reality bites back against the lie. Few liars maintain themselves with the specific deceived audience after that point. For Mr. Bush, his deceived audience is the United States in general. We shall see...
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:20 AM
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23. Well Put, but also
Add to that the fact that Bush is essentially a defective product and you have an unmitigated disaster. He has neither the intelligence, charisma or gravitas to pull off what needs to be done at the UN. He needs a whopper of an inspiring speech, delivered eloquently and with passion. He's incapable. He will be a wooden, bumbling little boy in suit that's two sizes too big. It will be like watching the slow kid in your 4th grade class give an oral book report...
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Unknown Known Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:09 PM
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16. Bush & Freepers - Killing US soldiers every day!
to make the wealthy wealthier!
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:14 PM
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20. I apologize
Won't happen again.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 05:57 AM
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22. Hi LittleDannySlowhorse!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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imax2268 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:13 PM
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19. It should be interesting to say the least...
He gave them the finger...sent Powell to beg for help...now he's going to go in and demand it...?

Man...this is not going to be good...there's no one left he can piss off is there...?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:31 AM
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24. From what I gathered, the speech was a failure
I followed the live thread.
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