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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:15 PM
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Dean Supporters: Latest Poll indicates Dean is electable
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 06:18 PM by CMT
One of the things opponents seem to use against Dr. Dean (especially the DLC) is that he is not electable. Well we know that he is and really don't need a poll to prove it. But we do have it. In fact it is the latest CNN poll which has been heavily touted around here.

First, my hat off to Gen. Clark who is actually leading Bush according to this poll by 49-46. My hat off to our other candidates: Kerry, Gep, and (yes) even Lieberman who are also doing well in that poll.

But gang, Howard Dean is right in the thick of things too. Bush is ahead, but among registered voters the Bush margin is only three-points (49-46) a statistical dead heat. At three-points down we know Bush probably is ahead of Dean in the south and Dean is probably ahead of Bush everywhere else.

So while other candidate supporters can claim that they are doing well in the same poll--they cannot claim that Dean is unelectable. The only unelectable candidate as it is getting clear is George Worthless Bush.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-22-bush...

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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:18 PM
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1. Of course he is...
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 06:20 PM by AWD
...disruptors don't try to align others against the unelectable.
...disruptors don't try to pick on every detail of the unelectable.
...disruptors don't desperately try to point out minor changes in the unelectable's campaign (or sports teams)
...disruptors don't try to skew comments to suit their own candidates when the attack is on an unelectable.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:19 PM
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2. I've been meaning to ask you
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 06:20 PM by CMT
how is your campaign going?
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:22 PM
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3. Not bad...
...I got sidetracked by a few minor incidents, but I'm back on track.

Currently looking at campaign managers for hire, finally got a full campaign plan together, and I have speaking engagements lined up already.

Fundraising comes next. But it was the DUers who gave me the start I REALLY needed. I was able to afford all the stuff I needed to kick off (business cards, office supplies, webpage fees, etc) and plenty left over for future needs!

Thanks for asking!
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:31 PM
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9. glad to hear it
This quarter all my $$ is going to Dean, but next quarter i'll remember you too. Let us know where to send it.
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:06 PM
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12. OK< i will
Trust me, when things get into gear, you'll hear my name mentioned a lot around here.

Almost as much as you'll hear people whining about Dean whooping their candidate's rears.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:15 PM
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15. That's great!
Sounds like you've got some good mo going there. Hooray! I too will try to donate again next quarter, my measly little pocket change. I want to own a President AND a Congressman. ;-)

Eloriel
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:16 PM
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16. That money order was wonderful
You'll get a thank you note (later, when the funds are there for it all....hope you understand)
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:22 PM
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4. Absolutely agree CMT...
especially when you consider that we've had 2 solid weeks of Clark is electable and Dean is unelectable by the mainstream press.

I see this poll as you do...a good poll for Doctor Dean...with the number of dedicated supporters in his camp, Clark, et al, are really going to have to light some fires to stop Dean. And I hope that proves to be true!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:26 PM
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5. Here's the poll link
Thanks for the article, here's the poll.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2003-09-...

Kerry 48% - 47% over Bush among registered voters!! Wohoo!
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:29 PM
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8. Kerry shown as winning!
Cool!
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:49 PM
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10. Holy Cow!
This is the first poll I've seen showing a Democrat beating Bush in the election!

I'm feeling better all the time.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:13 PM
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14. and notice which one it is.
Thanks for the historical perspective on this HawkerHurricane!
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:41 PM
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17. I noticed which one(s)
The two warriors, Clark and Kerry.
At the very least, one of them should get the VP nod, if not higher.
And yes, I'm showing my prejudice.
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HazMat Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:14 PM
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30. Kerry and Clark are electable
It's what everyone in touch with reality has been saying all along. This poll shows that people think Kerry and Clark are the most electable.

Dean, with all of his corporate media hype, still lags in these national (i.e. broad based electorate, not just activists) polls.

Kerry gets spit on by the media and he comes out ahead of Bush.

Welcome to the electable wing of the Democratic party.

This election will be about electing a commander in chief more than anything else. Those who fail to realize this are going down a dangerous path. This country cannot survive 4 more years of Bush. A Dean nomination would be a disaster.


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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:28 PM
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32. I wouldn't write Dean off yet.
A little more on message time, a good VP pick, and more blunders by Bush (which will happen) and Dean could take it.

I'm not willing to write off Dean yet.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:28 PM
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6. before Rove/Atwater tactics are applied it sure looks good
but we won't know that until Nov. 04.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:28 PM
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7. thanks for the post cmt, nice work
yes, the results of this poll WERE good news... but something dean folks already knew to be true...

chalk up those 3 extra points for clark due to his military background in our post 9-11, the-enemy-will-get-us country bush has created.



keep up the good fight...
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southern democrat Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:06 PM
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11. I'm for Clark but,
I was extremely happy this last poll.You're damn right it shows Dean and Kerry are electable.When you look at it maybe what it really is showing is whitle-ass is the one who's getting un-electable.

If your a Kerry,Clark, or Dean fan it really is a shot in the arm for there supporters.Giving them a energy boost for the next phase.All of the hard work may just be paying off.If we don't turn too hard agianst each other.We may just get a regime change.People keep it up,tell people about Franken's,Connasson's and Hightower's books.Spread the word about Paul Krugman's columns in NY Times.This movement is way more than our pres.candidates,although keep working hard for the ones you each support.

The battle will get even togher now.But I know WE can do it.He can,t do it,she can't do it,you can't do it,I can't do it but together WE can do it!
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:09 PM
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13. yes
and our grass roots gotv effort (already 400,000 plus strong) will be at least a million by the time the convention ends next year would make a big difference. It will add 3-4 points on election day from a strong ground effort.
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frank frankly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:45 PM
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18. Dean will win if he is the nominee
No doubt about it.

Very good post!

May the best candidate win!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 07:50 PM
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19. Dean Is Definately A Contender!!!
He's pretty darn quick witted... and moderate enough to be acceptable to mainstream Democrats.

He's got a good combination of scrappiness and level-headedness.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:08 PM
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20. Why I still think that Dean is unelectable:
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 08:09 PM by Skwmom
1. millions of dollars will be used to pay for attack ads in the general election. Deans own words and his trying to pose as a liberal will be used against him.

2. if we have another attack (the type which would be very difficult to prevent) the nation will not put a liberal democrat in charge of national defense. If Dean's the nominee, I'd duck and cover because Bush and Co would stop at nothing to have control of our govt for another 4 years.
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:37 PM
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22. Nice try
...but he's not a liberal democrat.

But your talking points from Uncle Karl are duly noted.

I suppose the Repugs WON'T use millions of dollars to attack YOUR candidate????
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:43 PM
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23. Yawn...
all points have been debunked already here on DU.

but (fox) they (fox) do (fox) sound (fox) awful (fox) familiar.
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PAMod Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:43 PM
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24. Considering Dean's organization and fund-raising abilities and...
this poll, I'd say Dean is probably the MOST electable of the field.

The Democratic nominee will be attacked without a doubt, but Dean has already shown his ability to hit back quickly and hard.

We're in great shape with any of the top tier candidates.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:46 PM
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25. I agree. Very electable, indeed.
since Sunday:

8926 contributors...

$554,519.81...

Seems pretty electable to me...
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HazMat Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:23 PM
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31. If Dean is the nominee, we'd be lucky for only 4 more years of Bush
A landslide Dean defeat would be a serious blow to the Democratic party, and would likely result in much more than another 4 years for BFEE/PNAC.


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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:01 AM
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36. Whatever...
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 12:01 AM by AWD
...keep using those right-wing talking points. You get a free tote bag at 500.
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:08 AM
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37. Tell me...
...how's it feel to be trailing a guy who can't win?

Pathetic, isn't it??

Oh, well....at least you've got that war vote on your resume', huh???
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HazMat Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 05:50 AM
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41. Hey, at least I support candidates who can actually defeat Bush
Both of the candidates I support (Kerry and Clark) beat Bush in the latest poll, while Dean does the worst. At the end of the day Dean is still the anti-war, weak on defense, gay marriage guy from the second smallest state in the union -- who would be toast in a national election.

John Kerry's vote was correct based on the evidence presented. Americans can feel confident that Kerry will protect them. The same can't be said about Howard Dean.

Quite frankly, the idea of Dean as commander in chief is laughable to me, as I'm sure it is to the majority of Americans.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:11 AM
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38. Oy, you'd think we were Nader supporters or something
*sigh*
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 04:28 AM
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40. Here's why Dean will kick Bush's ass.
Unlike the other candidates, Dean can legitimately attack Bush on EVERYTHING.

Meanwhile, exposing Dean's record to scrutiny will only show people that he's more centrist than they thought!
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poskonig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:35 PM
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21. Thank you for posting this!
I appreciate it. :pals:
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 08:59 PM
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26. Damn right he is, it's amazing that so many of our Dems are actually
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 08:59 PM by gully
contenders!

Dean is not to be underestimated. He was polling at 2% only a few months ago.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:03 PM
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27. I hate to keep bringing this up
But Dean supporters, almost half of them,DON'T SHOW UP ON THE POLLS Keep that in mind when reviewing numbers.

We're dealing with something totally off the radar , not a conventional "the way it used to be " campaign. This is true grass roots , not a cadre of likely voters.


The only way any of you will understand this apparently is after the first primary.

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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:43 PM
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28. imagine that - you mean it DOESN'T take a general to beat Bush???
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jeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:02 PM
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29. This is the worst poll for Bush
I love it.
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artr2 Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:31 PM
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33. So, Tell me something I don't already know.
nt
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:13 AM
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39. Bottom line? Bush is beatable
Dean, Clark, Kerry--I'll take any one of them!
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