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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:54 PM
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What If Clark Does Poorly In Debates?
I watched his speech last week, and I'm sorry - but for all the hoopla and build up, it's wasn't a very inspiring speech, and just a tad short on details.

Is everyone rushing to Clark because he supposedly is
the "only one" who can beat Bush, because we've been told so by the anti-liberal pundits.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:54 PM
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1. Didn't you get the memo?
He is God.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:55 PM
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2. Damn right!!!
Now assume the position.
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TennesseeWalker Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:56 PM
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3. I'll be surprised if he does poorly in the debates.
He seems to be very introspective and measured. For the first time (since 2000 and my man AL)I'm excited by a Democrat candidate. I really like everyone running (even Holy Joe) better than Bush, and I was an ABB guy leaning Dean. For me, Clark is the man, even though it's really early. :)
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:56 PM
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4. The media whores will hand the debates to Dumbo,
regardless of how he does, or how the Dem does. The trick will be, that our guy does so well, that the public won't buy the media spin.

I haven't seen Clark speak at length yet, so I have no comment on him.
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unfrigginreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:56 PM
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5. Have no fear...just like they told us that Bush was a moderate in 2000...
they'll tell us that Clark demolished the others in the debate.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:04 PM
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15. you are right
No matter how bad he does I predict they will spin it as good
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:56 PM
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6. Let's hope our most electable candidate does well
Dean supporters have convinced me that Kucinich is unelectable, so we need someone more mainstream than Kucinich - so Clark's it, obviously.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:57 PM
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7. If he does poorly...
he'll lose support.

The same is true of Dean, Kucinich, Kerry, Moseley-Braun, Graham, Edwards, Lieberman, Gephardt and Sharpton.

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quam Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:57 PM
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8. what time and what channel is the debate?
Looked at on google, nothing obvious.
thanks
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:58 PM
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12. CNBC....Thursday??
It's on CNBC, I believe...I want to say....Thursday?? at 4pmET.

Um. I think.

:)
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:03 PM
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14. 9/25/03 @ 4pm ET
New York, NY, September 18, 2003 Westwood One (NYSE:WON) is proud to announce exclusive live radio coverage, on NBC News Radio and CNBC Business Radio, of the "CNBC/Wall Street Journal Democratic Candidate Presidential Debate" at 4:00 pm ET on Thursday, September 25, 2003 from Pace University in New York City. This is the first Democratic Debate to feature 10 Presidential candidates with the announcement by General Wesley Clark, former Supreme Allied Commander, that he is running for the Democratic nomination for president. The debate will be available for rebroadcast at 6:00 pm ET and 9:00 pm ET.
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Cappurr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:57 PM
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9. If he does poorly in the debates....
He will be a poor candidate and will not win the nomination. He certaily won't win my vote. But I've watched him on TV and I think he is pretty good. We'll have to wait and see.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:57 PM
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10. You're right about the speech, but he's good answering questions.
In fact, I noticed what you did during his speech and he really does need some help in that area (tweaking, mostly, maybe writing). That's where he has to work.

But he's very good at short interviews and Q&A. On all the talking head shows, he's done well--and basically that's what he'll get at the debates.

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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:58 PM
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11. If Clark does poorly in the debates
it may have a negative effect on his campaign.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:00 PM
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13. At This Stage...
there's no room for error. That goes for ALL the candidates.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:31 PM
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22. this stage?
the primaries aren't until next year

many people can't even name one of the Democratic candidates for president

only us hardcore politicos are paying attention right now, and the media
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:05 PM
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16. "What If"
Why don't we wait and see? It's only three days.

If Clark sucks in the debate, we can revisit at that time.

All this before-the-fact hand wringing does us no good.

DTH
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jlucu Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:05 PM
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17. debator
I believe I read in an MSNBC article that Clark was a top-notch debator during his West Point stint - in fact that was considered not quite "manly" enough by some of his detractors....
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:05 PM
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18. I was also quite 'unspired' after all the hype...
I don't think he's gonna be the unbeatable guy many think he is?!
But, I refrain from a decision on him at this point.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:06 PM
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19. He was debating champion at West Point I believe
And he does a great job on TV IMHO, I think he'll do great. Just have to watch out for the gothcha's the media whores like to spring on Dems.

Funny how they ignored this with Chimpy!
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Bertrand Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:08 PM
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20. I agree that his entry speech wasnt great
but if anyone can find his one at the University of Iowa a few days ago, i think alot of people here will be impressed with his skills as an orator.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:27 PM
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21. Good To Hear
It just seems to me that Clark was pushed into running by DLC'ers w/ promises of big bucks, big names. Reminds me of the guy who is at the helm now and how he got there.

I just don't get the feeling he really wants this gig. Is he answering the calls from folks like Hill/Bill - Mr. DLC From and others to serve his country?
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