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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:01 PM
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is there a tactful way to tell a stupid idiot that he's a moron?
i have very little tact when it comes to fools and stupid asses, which are in abundance right now. hell, i've probably become one myself, and all i can think of is to tell them how stupid they are to support the stupidest man to ever step foot into the white house.

how do you ultimately get through to them or is it simply impossible?
is figuring it all out just something that they'll have to go through the hard way, or can anyone explain to them how idiotic they are in a way that doesn't offend?

how do you tell your stupid ass in-laws that jesus did NOT put w in the white house, without causing a permanent war in your family?

how do you explain to an everyday bush supporter in the cubicle next to yours that bush is a war criminal and thief? or explain to the little old lady at church that bushco probably let nine eleven happen, and definitely knew it was coming and didn't bother to warn us without pissing her off?

i know, i should scream and spit in people's faces a bit less, and i know i shouldn't jab my finger into people's chests for added dramatic effect so much, and i'm working on it. but seriously, is there a way to reach the vast hoards of wandering, grazing dumbasses stampeding across the purple mountain's majesty and amber waves of grain, WITHOUT enraging them?

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:03 PM
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1. I've decided that some people are far too stupid to understand
how stupid they are, so it's best to just let them be.

Trying to educate them just frightens, confuses or enrages them.

I treat some members of my family like they are brain-damaged because basically that's the way I see them--beyond help. Sad, but true.

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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:04 PM
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2. Elect him President
It only takes you and four of your friends if you're on the Supreme Court.

--p!
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:04 PM
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3. Think of it like the Matrix
some people aren't ready for the truth yet. They have to hit rock-bottom first, and then they'll be ready to listen
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:05 PM
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4. I don't think it's possible.
Unless of course he's too stupid to realize he's been insulted.
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:05 PM
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5. disdainful looks,rolling of eyes - you don't have to say anything
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 04:07 PM by merbex
they'll get the message that you think they are morons

Oh, after the eye gestures you have to walk away from them - without saying anything

Works really well with family - you can always say that you didn't say anything

On edit I just realized that this could be considered a form of passive /agressive behavior
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:07 PM
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6. very astute and economical
i like it.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:08 PM
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7. Here are some very choice and proven ways....
All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure.
Mark Twain

Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint.
Mark Twain

Buy land. They've stopped making it.
Mark Twain

In the first place God made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made school boards.
Mark Twain

Noise proves nothing - often a hen who has merely laid an egg cackles as if she had laid an asteroid.
Mark Twain

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Mark Twain

The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.
Mark Twain

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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:08 PM
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8. Tell the fundies
That Satan can quote scriptures too. And the bible talks about the anti-christ as the great deceiver.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:10 PM
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9. Why bother?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:12 PM
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10. you simply say
to quote an interprestation from a excessively negative auricle from the turn of the last century. . .

"the only thing that exceeds your stupidity is your inability to recognize it."

If they don't get that. . .they'll never get nothing anyhow.
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:17 PM
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11. A pitiful smile goes a long way.
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 04:31 PM by Cyrano
However, the problem with this is that anyone who voted for Bush would probably be incapable of grasping the meaning of a pitiful smile.

Perhaps it would be better to just hand them one of your great illustrations, sign it for them, and go have a beer.

On edit: If a pitiful smile doesn't work, try a smirk. Every Bushie will recognize that and it may make them more open to whatever you have to say.

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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:25 PM
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12. I like to stare at them and not say anything. A deafening silence
gets the message across quite well. They end up sputtering, open their mouths like gasping fishies and then wander away with question marks in their eyes.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:26 PM
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13. Its not your job to wake them up
some prefer to sleep ...............
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NeoTraitors Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:30 PM
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15. Let them spew RW talking points. It
shouldn't be long before they lie, or contradict themselves. At that point, you call 'em on it and ask that they not BS you anymore.
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Justpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:28 PM
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14. No, you have to just come right out and say it.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:48 PM
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19. I agree with you. Don't let them continue to wallow in ignorance.
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 04:57 PM by Carolab
Tell them it's unfair that the rest of us are suffering for their stupidity.

They are BULLIES. Ignorant, hateful and mean-spirited. Don't let them bully you.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:34 PM
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16. If only you did find out how.
It is always with us.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:34 PM
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17. Print this out.... and leave it lying around..... like
right on top of their desks.....






Kudos to LynnTheDem

BEFORE the US attacked Iraq

Facts EVERY war supporter should have known

06/03/05 - -

-Who's killed the most Kurds?

The Kurds.
More Kurds have killed Kurds than the number killed by Turkey, Iran, and Hussein combined, during their 3 decades long "fratricide" war.
http://home.cogeco.ca/~kurdistan3/2-6-04-opinion-zorab-...

-Who made a surprise appearance in 1991 on Baghdad TV to hug and kiss Saddam Hussein?

Kurdish warlord and current Iraqi president Talabani. And this was long after the "gassed his own people", after Gulf War 1, after the uprisings in Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_corr...

-Who danced & cheered in celebrations after Talabani hugged & kissed Saddam Hussein in 1991?

The Kurds.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_corr...

-Who asked Hussein for help in 1996 to fight against Kurdish warlord Talabani and his Kurds?

Kurd and warlord Barzani.
http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2005/4/indepen...

-During the Iran-Iraq war, Halabjah was attacked with blood agent gas; how many Kurd deaths were originally reported until the number was increased several years later right before Desert Storm?

"several hundred".

http://againstbombing.org/chemical.htm

http://www.mediamonitors.net/robinmiller10.html ***excellent***

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0788162098/mmn-2...

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/kurdish/htdocs/his/Khaledtex...

The CIA's website still lists "hundreds", not thousands or tens of thousands, and as being "caught in cross-fire between Iranians and Iraqi forces". We call that "collateral damage".
http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd/Iraq_Oct_2002.h...

-When doctors sent by France, the United Nations and the Red Cross examined gassed Kurdish refugees in Turkey, what symptoms did the doctors say were exhibited?

Non-lethal tear gas.
http://www.polyconomics.com/showarticle.asp?articleid=1...

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/kurdish/htdocs/his/Khaledtex...

-What city presented Hussein with the Key to the City in 1979?

Detroit, USA.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/26/iraq/main5462...

-What nation won Humanitarian Awards for its literacy programs?

Iraq. Under Hussein's government.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regi... /

-What nation had the highest number of citizens with PhDs on the world? And had more PhDs than America?

Iraq. Under Hussein's government.
http://www.bronxmall.com/norwoodnews/past/013003/opinio...

-Which nation was using much its burgeoning oil revenue to improve the daily lives of its people?

Iraq. Under Hussein's government.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regi... /

-What did the rebels do in their 1991 uprising?

Slaughtered thousands of Iraqis.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1992/WR92/MEW1-02.htm

-What did the Hussein government do about the rebel uprising?

Slaughtered thousands of Iraqis.
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1992/WR92/MEW1-02.htm

-Where did the figure of "300,000" originate as the number of Iraqis "killed by Hussein"?

The figure (originally 200,000-250,000 over 30 years) was an estimate of an estimate of a "general international consensus" the HRW used as an estimate for the number of Iraqis unaccounted for, many of whom are believed to have been killed and not for the number buried in mass graves.

Hania Mufti, one of the researchers that produced that estimate, said: 'Our estimates were based on estimates. The eventual figure was based in part on circumstantial information gathered over the years.'
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,12...

HRW itself refuses to use its figure of 290,000 as an estimate for the number of bodies in mass graves.

To date, aproximately 5000 remains have been found, dating from the 1991 rebel uprisings.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,12...

-Who "mass-graved" thousands of Iraqis by bulldozing over them?

US forces in 1991.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=45

-What nation defended this atrocity by saying a gap in international law allowed for burying Iraqis alive?

The USA.
http://jeff.paterson.net/aw/aw4_buried_alive.htm

-Saddam Hussein and his "woodchipper people-shredder"?

Long-time Iraq war supporter Ann Clwyd came up with this sequel to the "incubator babies" lie. Clwyd said; "We heard it from a victim; we heard it and we believed it."

One unidentified, unverified source; one person. That's her entire "proof".

Clwyd insists that corroboration of the shredder story came when she was shown a dossier by a reporter from Fox TV. On June 18, Clwyd wrote a second article for the Times, citing a "record book" from Abu Ghraib, which described one of the methods of execution as "mincing".

-Can she say who compiled this book?
"No, I can't."

-Where is it now?
"I don't know."

-What was the name of the Fox reporter who showed it to her?
"I have no idea."

-Did Clwyd read the entire thing?
"No, it was in Arabic! I only saw it briefly."

Curiously, there is no mention of the book or of "mincing" as a method of execution on the Fox News website, nor does its foreign editor recall it.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/analysis/story/0,3604,1155399...

-What actual claims of human rights violations were made against Hussein's government in 2002?

-death penalty
-long (2 years) detentions without trials
-"some apparently tortured first"
-arbitrary arrests
-forced expulsion of Kurds from Kirkuk

http://hrw.org/wr2k2/mena4.html

-Who said attacking Iraq cannot be justified as a "humanitarian intervention"?

Human Rights Watch
http://hrw.org/wr2k4/3.htm

Amnesty International
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE140092002?op...

-What kind of torture did Hussein's son Odai perpetrate on Iraq's soccer team that war supporters often point to as justification for attacking Iraq?

Torture such as electric cables being attached to their bodies. (Oops, sorry, that's just frat-house party games.)

A missed penalty or other poor play entailed a ritual head shaving at the Stadium of the People, or being spat on by Uday's bodyguards.

Some players endured long periods in a military prison, beaten on their backs with electric cables until blood flowed.

Other punishments included "matches" kicking concrete balls around the prison yard in 130-degree heat, and 12-hour sessions of push-ups, sprints and other fitness drills, wearing heavy military fatigues and boots.

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:puQH7yiyeg8J:www.i...

Maad Ibrahim Hameed, the assistant coach of the national team, said Odai had offered money as a bonus for winning and threatened prison for losing. "But it was only talk," he said. "They weren't tortured. Some were sentenced to jail if they didn't behave responsibly. But they all came back to play."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/0...

-How do the Iraq soccer team members feel now about bush's invasion?

Iraqi Olympic Soccer Teams Gives Bush the Boot
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0820-11.htm

"Bleeding-heart liberals" would have a hard time making a case for invading a nation and "shock & awe" bombing the crap out of them, let alone "tough" republicans.

Maybe that's why the vast majority of Americans DID say there's no "humanitarian" justification for attacking Iraq;

--Only 27 percent of respondents said they think that countries have the right, without UN approval, to overthrow another government that is committing "substantial violations of its citizens' human rights," although another 41 percent said that intervention could be justified if the violations were "large-scale, extreme and equivalent to genocide."

--In the case of Iraq, however, only 32 percent of respondents believed both that human rights abuses equivalent to genocide justified intervention and that such extreme violations were occurring under Hussein's rule. Asked, "Do you think that there are other governments existing today that have human rights records as bad as that of Iraq under Saddam Hussein?" an overwhelming 88 percent said there are.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1114-06.htm

The "WMD" and "Iraq in bed with al Qaeda" lies and his "Iraq did 911" insinuations, and about to hit the fan on his lies proven by the Downing Street official minutes, the "Murdering Butcher of Baghdad" bullshit is bound to appear all over the "librul" media.

And like the "WMD, "ties to al Qaeda" and "ties to 911", it is bullshit.

This item was researched and prepared by LynnTheDem

First posted at Democratic Underground

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mcar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:46 PM
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18. Smile sadly at them and say
"I'll pray for you." Then walk away.

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