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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:29 PM
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Non-DMCA countries may save USA voters
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 02:31 PM by BevHarris
Yes, there are some. Countries that have turned down the DMCA requirements, thumbing their noses at USA foreign aid.

In a matter as critically important as our vote, both civil disobedience and workarounds are entirely appropriate, because what we have here is a set of memos and software that proves the voting machines used in 37 states have been tamper-friendly, and that the corporate culture has been to flaunt certification and testing requirements.

I've been told that another set of memos may appear shortly, and I commend those who are assisting with this. A longer term solution, since Diebold tends to succeed in getting the memos removed within 2-3 days, and because the press needs time to examine the memos, is to extend the period of time the memos are hosted on a server, in order to allow the press to get a good look at them.

Therefore, let us take a moment to research and compile a list of countries who refuse to cooperate with the DMCA, a regulation which was ostensibly designed to prevent the pirating of music and movies, but is now being used to stifle the flow of information and facts which are critical to the public interest.

Of particular interest, I think, is to find out whether Brazil and Venezuela comply. I am not sure Norway complies, either, perhaps someone can verify that.

The compilation of such a list will bring advantages to many civil rights and political activist groups, and here's why: Through privatization, our public commons has been usurped by private organizations who then decline to allow any scrutiny of what they are doing with OUR taxpayer dollars and OUR rights, by asserting proprietary priveleges and copyright.

Diebold did an interesting thing when it authenticated those memos ("we wrote them, they belong to us, we assert copyright"). The reason is this: The memos clearly show intent to violate the law, most egregiously with the habitual use of uncertified, untested vote-tallying software. In the memos are statements like "what good are rules if you don't bend them now and then." It is of paramount importance for as many members of Congress, the press, and public officials to see the disregard heaped on FEC regulations, and for this the memos would be well served to reside in one place for a month or so.

Will non-DMCA countries end up championing civil rights in the United States? Maybe so. Perhaps they will save our vote.

Bev Harris

NOTE: Remember the thread-locking problem? I urge those who respond to ignore flame-baiting and stay affixed to the topic of this thread. Ignoring off-topic and argumentative posts is an option that reduces them, you know.
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TinfoilHatProgrammer Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:32 PM
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1. hurray for norway
Will non-DMCA countries end up championing civil rights in the United States? Maybe so. Perhaps they will save our vote.

Maybe... but what will we do about all the monkeys?

JC
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:33 PM
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2. no response.
none.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:42 PM
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3. Anyone file with local DA - any DA's chasing Diebold for fraud?
Seems like this should be on someone's todo list! Indeed on many folks todo list!

:-)
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:44 PM
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4. As of Jan 2003, Brazil NOT following DMCA
Norway is not in the European Union, but indicated it will follow the EU version of DMCA, but the first case brought against someone in Norway resulted in a snub to the DMCA, and an acquittal.
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:47 PM
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5. Sealand might be a possibility ....
The Principality of Sealand maintains a secured environment and isn't beholden to the DMCA.

Info on the Principality of Sealand ...
http://www.sealandgov.com/index.html

HavenCo is Sealand's colocation company.
http://www.havenco.com /

According to HavenCo's Acceptable-Use-Policy ....
http://www.havenco.com/legal/aup.html

Unacceptable publications include, but are not limited to:

Material that is unlawful in the jurisdiction of the server. For instance, if a customer's machine is hosted on Sealand by HavenCo, content which is illegal in Sealand may not be published or housed on that server. Sealand's laws prohibit child pornography. Sealand currently has no regulations regarding copyright, patents, libel, restrictions on political speech, non-disclosure agreements, cryptography, restrictions on maintaining customer records, tax or mandatory licensing, DMCA, music sharing services, or other issues; child pornography is the only content explicitly prohibited.

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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:22 PM
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6. gotta love sealand
it was the cover story on wired magazine way back when (www.wired.com )
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DEMActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:28 PM
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7. Owwwwwwweeeee!
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 03:31 PM by DEMActivist
Did you see the prices at this place?

512 Kbps monthly bandwith = $3,500.00/Setup $3,000.00
128 Kbps monthly bandwith = $750.00/Setup $750.00
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:32 PM
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8. No, was looking for them, where did you find them? And also...
have offers in Canada and Poland, which I will relay to the Underground Railroad.

Someone just contacted me to say they may have a sponsor for Sealand, and they would want the prices...may be someone with deep pockets, though.

The memos are clearly a fat lady who is singing at the top of her lungs, and the response from Diebold shows that -- took them a month to tell a New Zealand server to cease & desist, but only 48 hours for Italy.

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DEMActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:35 PM
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10. Prices
http://www.havenco.com/products_and_services/rates.html

But the bandwidth is going to kill you. Hell, one of those files is 3 times the allotted bandwith!
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:40 PM
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12. Ah! Well then Sealand is only a possibility if they would like
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 03:41 PM by BevHarris
to help us save democracy out of the goodness of their heart. However, other possibilities are streaming in. One is this: Person with own server not an ISP, in another country, who is very difficult to locate.

Especially if such person is mobile and in a country not overrun with lawyers. Actually, Japan is such a place, though it does adhere to DMCA, it has very tech-savvy citizens and quite a disdain for lawyers. Being a lawyer isn't even a high-status job in Japan -- a very good friend of mine there quit being a lawyer to run a hardware store, because it paid better and got him more respect.

Calling Japanese geeks with own server willing to move it from place to place...
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:34 PM
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9. Thanks for pricing, Yeow. How much does 128 kbps get you?
I have absolutely no idea on numbers like this. Understand that sponsors for something this important can be found, possibly even for the 512 kbps, but I have no idea how that relates to reporters/citizens all over the world accessing 15,000 memos.

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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:36 PM
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11. Okay, if someone can get me a definitive answer on Brazil
have an email from there who is eager to help. And another waiting in the wings. Also did get a nibble from Venezuela, but I can't get a definite answer on them either.

Bev
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