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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:10 PM
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Please allow me to introduce myself....
(Apologies to anyone who get's that Rolling Stones song stuck in their head for the next five hours...)


I'm kinda new here and have (with just one exception) only replied to pre-existing posts rather than presenting my own. But today I'm bored, have no interviews, finished the morning job-search (at the very least, 5 resumes get mailed or posted per day) and the place is completely clean- even washed and scubbed the baseboards yesterday!

So on with the show....



Sometimes I feel like a ping-pong ball getting batted from one end of the table to another. One afternoon I can feel completely confident that * will lose in '04.

That the electorate will finally take off the rose-colored glasses and see the corruption and cronyism of the current administration. That the people will finally begin to understand that we've been lied to, again and again about matters that affect our faith, our families, our lives, our wallets and our future. That the wall of hope the right and the moderate-voters have erected will finally crumble under an excess of pressure from the reality of what's happening. Sometimes the media does get it right and in my local newspaper yesterday, you would have had a hard time *not* reading any story, letter-to-the-editor, editorial or even business analysis which contained phrases like, "the administration is concerned with recent polling", "unnamed GOP sources told this reporter that the schisms in the administration run deeper than we care to admit", "...why are our troops forced to buy water and food from the local indigents, fer Gawd's sake?".

It's satisfying. Not in the sense that I can hold my fist in the air and proclaim from the rooftops, "Ya see, you stupid, angry, white, in-bred, knuckle dragging, red-neck, half-educated austrolipethicus...I was right and you were wrong!!!" No, it's more a calm and serene sense that maybe... just maybe, common sense and the search for truth will win in the next election. That the cycle of incivility on the radio has played itself out. That the hate we've been putting up with has burned it's own fuel and will come plummeting down to earth faster than Whistle-Ass's poll numbers.

But then I see or hear or involve myself in something which shatters my confidence and I begin to feel the early weight of Whistle-Ass and his coterie of Ass-Blowers sitting in office for another four years. Something as innocuous as overhearing a conversation at the local convenience store (although it was half-time when this happened, so that may explain the demographic make-up of the colorful cast of characters at the check out line)...

Setup: My local convenience store owned and operated by a family of mid-eastern immigrants who speak better English than most "America-Firsters" who recently cleaned (again!) cultural and racial graffiti shoe-polished off their front window. Owner is on the phone, speaking in Arabic, while his son is working the check-out.

Customer #1 (with two twelve-packs of beer in his arms to his red-neck pal in line with him): Damn Ay-Rabs and spicks takin' all the damn jobs in this neighborhood. I'd find work if they'd swim back over the river.

Red-Neck Pal: (who happens to be a neighbor of mine and although we don't converse, we are polite to each other) Yaright. Here's some change, buy some rollin' papers, willya?

Customer #1: What fer? Jimbo smoked it all this morning. (To Owner's Son working the register) DAMMIT! What are you waiting fer? Take my damn money!

Owner's Son: Yes, of course. I was simply thinking... we have opened another store three miles from here and if you'd like to fill out an application, I'm sure my Father will be happy to consider it...

Customer #1(Cutting off the Son): Fuck-off, rag-head. I ain't workin' in some cheap joint like this. You people'd convert me and tell me to blow up my own damn country.


They make their purchase and leave. I make my purchase (Ny-Quil. I'm sick as hell this weekend and need pampering, dammit!) and chat with the son for a bit, asking him how his classes are going (he recently began his first year of college). Customer #1 and his Red-Neck Pal are still in the parking lot when I leave. Red-Neck Pal says to me out of the primer-grey duelly truck window, "Hey, you shouldn't be talkin' to them all smiley and giggly, they'll make you their first target when they blow up America."

"I'm not too worried," I reply. "They're just people tryin' to make a living."

"Shee-it," he says, "You'll be sayin' that when yer all blown up...but we gave that little shit what-fer, didn't we?"

By now, I'm mad. I'm angry. I'm ready to thank God for the five-day waiting period for fire-arms in my state, 'cause I would have shot him in the groin as many times as there were bullets. However, since the angrier I get, the calmer I appear, he had no idea. "Ummm... I think I would have handled it a bit differently than you and your...partner." (I used the word 'partner' in a conscious form to bait them into thinking I percieved them as a gay-couple...it worked; Customer #1 immediately shot me a "fuck-you" glance and moved as far to the left of the cab as the truck door would allow...hehe).

The red-Neck Pal, curiosity peaked and oblivious to my dig, asks me, "Allrighty then, what would you have done differently?"

Here's my mistake. I told them. I said, "I'd stop buying booze, crank and dope with my unemployment check, sell the gas-guzzler and invest in small, used car. Look for a job and stop blaming everyone else for the condition both you and your house are in. I'd also ask both God and the store-owner's son for forgiveness. If I had any time left over, I'd take a shower (using soap this time) and brush my teeth. But that's just me."

I didn't even wait for a reaction. I just hopped into my little mini-van (although it's used and almost six years old, I'm proud of it- I bought it two weeks ago after surrendering my 403b plan and it runs like a dream... and I don't have to look for work on bus lines anymore :) ) and left. Actually, I was feeling a bit smug and pleased with myself. Somewhat proud of my erudite witticism, fantasizing that I made both of them cry like little school-girls.

I woke up this morning and went to the same storeto get the morning paper and noticed as soon as I walked out my front door that the word, "TERRERIST" (sp) had been keyed along the side of my van, and "ANTY-AMERICAN" (sp, again) was spelled out on the frnt windshield in white shoe polish. Ahhh.... Lee Greenwood would sure be proud. I washed off the shoe-polish (driving hazard, ya know). The owner of the store told me he'd overheard the conversation in the parking lot and wanted to pay for a paint job for the mini-van after I told him what happened, as he felt guilty (!!!!!!!!!). I told him, no thanks. I'm keeping the graffiti on the van... it may cause for some very interesting conversations in the next year :) .

But I'm still dissapointed today. I just saw Whitle-Ass's core voting block in action yesterday and realize that there are a LOT of them in this country. Red-Necks, Hillbillies, White-Trash, America-Firsters, Corporatist Apologists, John Birchers, and all the rest...regardless of what we call them. They are here and they are there. They listen to Rush and they vote. And there are too many right now for me to take them all on by myself.

Therefore, God bless the D.U. and all you guys and gals who keep my spirits up without even realizing it. Thanks to Bev Harris for the gargantuan task she's taking on. Thanks to all the moderators for allowing a huge variety of opinions here. Thanks to Lynne Synn (sp?) for making me laugh almost every I read one of her posts. Thanks to everyone who's fighting the good fight, voting their conscious and doing what they can. Thanks to Greg Palast (of whom I'd never heard of before I found this site). Thanks to the people here who offer help and to the people who ask for help. Thanks even to the Freeper trolls who are so damned entertaining to watch when they get shot down.

Believe it or not, D.U. is a growing strength. That's not a platitude or gratuitous emotion. It's a real place and a real community. And I've decided to move in and make a stake here. Thanks everyone. :)


As an aside....I know this post has gone all over the map, but I'm on day three of no-cigarrettes for the first time in nineteen years and any ability I had to concentrate on one idea at a time or think coherently is gone until further notice...lol

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:15 PM
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1. Oh you did beautifully
Lanternwaste....cigs or not!

And welcome to the community of DU. :hi:

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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:34 PM
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32. i'm not sure you did right
in my experience, insulting this type only let's them feel righteously indignant. it's a role they relish. it makes them feel justified in their vandalism.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:18 PM
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2. Great Post
I know what you experienced. I've been there also with welders and auto-body mechanics. So far no vandalism though.

as a cure for the lack of cigarettes....buy an old corn-cob pipe and just chew on the stem....it helps a lot!

I occassionally smoke the pipe but not as much as I used to.

The DU community can be a little rough and sometimes unforgiving, but you will come to understand, as I have, that the people here are truly committed to changing the course of the country. I, for one, am happy to be here.

:toast: and a belated welcome!
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:18 PM
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3. Welcome aboard!
Appreciated hearing your story. WHile there are alot who can't be swayed, there are also alot who are getting disgusted, and those folks are starting to turn off Rush and the like - because they are waking up. So keep having the conversations - and I bet that over time you will suddenly have someone walkup behind you and say... I heard what you said.. and I agree. Seize that opportunity because what they may be thinking but not saying is "but I don't know what I can do...." or something along the lines of being powerless to change things. Take that door and slam it open, drag them through to our world where we are starting to realize that instead of thinking I can't do anything, we have begun to think "I can't NOT do anything."

Btw, this may get moved to the lounge, so look for it there if you don't see it in GD.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:20 PM
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4. Welcome aboard and thank you for your stand
I reccently had similar incident with my car
"BOMB IRAN" was written on my car in red window
chalk thankfully it was very easily removed .

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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:21 PM
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5. seriously
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 01:23 PM by Kamika
cross your heart.. were they really mispelled like that?


btw.. "I'd stop buying booze, crank and dope with my unemployment check, sell the gas-guzzler and invest in small, used car. Look for a job and stop blaming everyone else for the condition both you and your house are in. I'd also ask both God and the store-owner's son for forgiveness. If I had any time left over, I'd take a shower (using soap this time) and brush my teeth. But that's just me."
"
to a redneck? are you suicidal or something? :D
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:23 PM
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8. Unforunately, Yes...lol
Serioiusly, Yes...lol.

But, as I live in North Central Texas and our State Seal has a Trailer House on it (not really), don't be too surpised...lol
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:22 PM
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6. Very pleased to make your acquaintance!!
I have the same emotional roller coaster ride about Bush/NoBush in 2004. Your episode with the Neanderthals made me think of conversations I've overheard and my consternation and amazement that such people infest this country in droves. We have more than our "fair share". I haven't had the chutzpah or presence of mind to confront such idiots with such erudite retorts, but I like your attitude!

Hang in there. My impression from the tea leaves I read is that those who make the economic decisions and run the media are ready to fire BushCo and let someone else give it a shot, as they have royally screwed up each and every thing that they have tried to do, by any standards anyone wishes to judge them by.

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:23 PM
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7. LOL...and that is exactly what happened when I read your subject line.
"Sympathy for the Devil" clicked on in my brain and is still there! :hi:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:31 PM
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13. wooo woo ;woo wooo
ah, get down to it , what's my name....

Yes, it's definitely stuck there.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:26 PM
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9. Absolutely Wonderful Post, LanternWaste !!! --- Big Welcome To The DU !!!
:bounce: :kick: :bounce:

This place, for all of its own weirdness, truly is the only thing keeping me from going stark raving insane. You are definitely not alone!!!

Looking forward to many more posts from you.

:thumbsup: :hippie: :thumbsup:

BTW - Yeah, I got that damn Stones song stuck in my head right now. Thank goodness it's one of my faves!!!

:hi:
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candy331 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:41 PM
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19. Hello!
I am fairly new to DU myself and welcome to you. I enjoyed reading your post so much. I too come here to keep my sanity because somedays I think is it me? Am I the blind and deaf one but reality has a way of showing it"s ugly face to let me know it is not just me.

Your post brought light to the darkness and lets me know that there possibly is still hope for the USA. Welcome and Happy to hear from you!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:10 PM
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25. Welcome To The DU candy331 !!!
Glad you're here!!!

If this is our last refuge, at least I love hangin with these particular scoundrels, LOL!!!

Lookin forward to your future posts!

:hi:
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:26 PM
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10. welcome and good luck with 'no-cigarrettes'
I sent the neo-con quiz out to some family members who are Republicans but (I hope) not neo-cons.

http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/quiz/neoconQui...

I have hope that if more people know more - there will be more questioning. So many people just think it is about Democrats wanting to get "even" or something. And they don't know the half of it.


I enjoyed your story. Those people sound scary.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:02 PM
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24. WooHoo!
Took the quiz....I'm a certified Liberal! :bounce:
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:29 PM
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11. glad you're here, LanternWaste
:hi:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:30 PM
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12. Doot Do, Doot Do, Doot Do, Doot Do:
I have no sympathy for the Devil with the blue shirt on!

Welcome aboard! :evilgrin:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:31 PM
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14. Welcome aboard
Depite the subject matter, a very entertaining post.

I live in a more civilized part of the country. We have a share of all that, but it's a minority, and even many of them are still basically Democrats -- believe it or not. (They at least know where their interests lie.)

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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:33 PM
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15. Welcome aboard!!!
Great to hear your story, and wish you the best in the next few months. I'm a statistic of the Bu$h economic recovery plan as well. You will find this to be a great place to vent. Glad there is another fighter down in Texas too. Your state needs all they can get.

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jafap Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:36 PM
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16. this is a lounge thread, lucifer
Myself, I try to avoid labelling people as rednecks. I would also avoid trying to make enemies and I am more worried about being offensive than I am about offending. But that is just me - a paranoid little guy. I woulda just told them that they should try not to make enemies either and that they might consider that owning a store like that tends to be alot more work than it is money. And what do you think of the Pats chances this year?
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:36 PM
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17. Damn terorist!
Hahaha WTG your response to the rednecks was awsome if a little dangerous to your health.

Before coming to DU i used to frequent a lot of public boards and argue daily with freepers and it was very disheartening to go through the same denials of reality day after day.

Like you coming here for me was a breath of fresh air a realization that all of america is not fooled by the propaganda we are fed on a daily basis by this administration and our compliant media. What a blessing that not only are they not foooled but many of us here are working our asses off to expose this administration for the dire threat to our nation that it clearly is.

Its not all roses here for sure but it sure is a great ride just the same. Hope you enjoy your stay your post seems to indicate you will be a welcome addition to this ever growing comunity.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:37 PM
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18. yikes...
I feel for you. Hope that you stay safe.

I remember pulling in to gas station late at
night in southeast Kansas in the mid-eighties
and meeting these same guys.

Hate is endemic these days and it gets a wink
and a node for society. Calling haters on their
BS takes bravery.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:46 PM
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20. Welcome, LanternWaste
Don't be shy!

:toast:
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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:52 PM
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21. Welcome to DU, and Good For You!
I'm a talk-first-and-engage-brain-later kinda girl myself, and even I wouldn't have the courage to say such things to the unwashed and uneducated zombies.

Knowledge is power, though. You've inspired me to write up a few "educational" spiels specifically for such occasions. Stump speech, talking points, whatever you want to call it-we need to be armed with more than just anger.

So thanks for posting your cool ramblings! The glass IS half-full, and pretty soon it will be brimming over with Whoop Ass for ol' Whistle Ass!

Kim
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MISSDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:38 PM
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34. You've given me courage
I've joined the re-election campaign for Governor Ronnie Musgrove and was feeling a little wary of putting my bumper sticker on my car but after reading what you did I am emboldened. Thanks for the inspiration!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:54 PM
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22. great read. thanks
"...the angrier I get, the calmer I appear."
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:56 PM
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23. Wow, now THAT'S an intro!
Congrats on the no-smoking!!! I'm nearing 5 months quit myself. Just hang in there. One day at a time. It does get easier!

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idaholeft Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:10 PM
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26. optimism/pessimism
Very cool post. I'm also in a backwater state (although it's nevertheless a great place to live), and echo your appreciation for DU. It's incredibly encouraging to read the thoughts of so many with whom I share a lot of core values.

Probably most DUer's go through the same ups and downs. When I hit a downer, I remember what I read here:

http://www.2think.org/rs-2002-9.shtml

--
A few decades ago it would have been perfectly acceptable to enforce racist laws in the United States; today this is unthinkable. Not long before that, women were not allowed to vote, while now all political parties consistently court them. Slavery was sanctioned in Western countries until the 19th century, but it is now actively fought everywhere in the world. Religious fundamentalists may have a large influence on the cultural and political life of the United States and the Middle East, but that is a far cry from the absolute dominance of religious bigotry that characterized several centuries of Western history deservedly referred to as the dark ages. And the environment wasn't even a major issue until the second half of the 20th century. These long-term changes, like the short-term ones listed above, were made possible by the continuous action of people who kept protesting, marching and writing to further human flourishing in the broadest possible sense. Most of them saw no perceptible change for the better during their life times, but they believed it would eventually come if they kept up the struggle. They were right.
--

Over the long haul, we're winning because we're right; our positions help improve the country , society, and the lives of our fellow citizens. Even this insanity can't last forever.

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:48 PM
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39. Hi idaholeft!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:12 PM
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27. Welcome aboard!
And well said!

:toast:
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:15 PM
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28. Throwing cold water
Normally, I'm known around here for throwing gasoline on flame wars, so I thought I'd try a change of pace.

What, exactly, did you hope to accomplish by rattling redneck cages?

At best, there's a one in a thousand chance that you might have caused one of them to think. I find this highly unlikely. More likely, you simply reinforced their opinions of non-rednecks as screaming idiots.

Even more likely, you probably egged them on to further action against the shopkeeper. Why on earth did you involve them?
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:21 PM
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29. Next time "appeal to the better angels of their nature" as Lincoln
would put it. You're avatar indicates that you are a Christian. Act with that in mind and you'll have much better results.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:26 PM
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30. have had a couple of
exchanges w/ the blustering male type (that seem 2 B steroid boy's core base) while out registering voters. In the past such exchanges would have clouded my horizon as well. I have come to Blieve (after spending 2 days a week over the last month registering & talking to voters) that rabid, rude, right wing radio has peaked; radical, religious right wingers have peaked; squatter 'n co have peaked; Saurov over-played his hand by instigating the recall. IF, and that is a mighty BIG IF, there is no ballot tampering the recall will fail and squatter will not B elected. The voting machine fix is my approaching storm. I fear it! cuz if that happens all is lost.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:30 PM
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31. Welcome, and thanks for the great post!
yeehaw! And congrats on the smoking thing :kick:

I'm with you, lets shout from the rooftops damnit!! ;)
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:37 PM
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33. You mean The Rolling Stones song Sympathy For the Devil?
Sorry, I'm too young to remember it!

:evilgrin:
rocknation

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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:47 PM
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35. Welcome
Wonderful introduction, and good luck with both the smoking, and finding a job. I live in Central Texas, so am very familiar with the attitude of some of our fellow citizens.

Stay safe, and welcome again to DU, a haven for so many of us.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:05 PM
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36. I guess without the neccesary qualifier...
I guess without the neccesary qualifier, "...I'm usually a pretty passive kinda guy. Soft spoken and a stickler for maintaining calm and dignity in any given situation", I do come off as kinda reactionary. That's why the event has stuck in my head so vivdly the past 30 hours or so- in most situations, I just keep my mouth shut and walk away from the source. I usually don't overgeneralize red-necks (heck, I owned a pick-up in high school and wore my boots more than occasionally) or anyone, for that matter. I am, for all intents and purposes, your typical 'nice guy'.

But I just lost it. In my own little way, I was venting my frustration at what's been happening to the community, the country and the world. I'm not trying to justify my actions by any means. In the grand scheme of things I was acting no better than they were. Having said that, it did feel kinda good.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:12 PM
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37. Nominated for the funniest Intro ever on DU!
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 03:13 PM by JanMichael
Two votes here.

Your experience was all too typical of the direction the nation has gone over the last 50 or so years.

You handled it well though!
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:38 PM
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38. Nice to meet ya Lantern.
Great post.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 05:49 PM
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40. Hi LanternWaste!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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