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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:12 PM
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Democrats Suck, Here Is Why...
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 01:28 PM by einsteins stein
Most of this was taken from http://www.realchange.org/index.htm

Here is why we can't vote for anyone, the Dems are all losers, we suck, and that's sad.

Howard Dean: Short fuse. His son was arrested for driving the getaway car in a country-club liquor burglary? Dean is too liberal, and he's also too centrist. He may even be too conservative. He lies about his favorite song, and he says anything to get elected. He may be a Republican plant.

Wesley Clark: Republican plant to blow the Dem's chances, or Clintonian plant to stop Howard Dean? Rumors are that Clark tried to start World War III during the Kosovo invasion, and that he was secretly involved in the Waco raid. Clark voted Republican till 1992, and no one knows why he is a Dem.

Dennis Kucinich: This blue collar Cleveland kid has become a New Age mystic vegan who introduced a bill banning "chemtrails" in Congress. Massive flip flop on abortion. Led Cleveland into bankruptcy as boy mayor. Shrieks. Unelectable.

Carole Moseley-Braun: She went from a low level Chicago machine hack (Cook County Recorder) to one disastrous term as a US Senator, during which distinguished herself by living a luxury life off campaign funds and paying her boyfriend $15,000 a MONTH as campaign manager, covering up charges of his sexual harassment, carrying water for big corporate contributors, and seeking help for an infamous Nigerian dictator. Based on that, she thinks she should be president?

Dick Gephardt: Political chameleon has morphed from an anti-abortion conservative to a protectionist lefty populist. Had to return $22,000 in questionable contributions from the Lippo Group after that scandal broke. A campaign volunteer illegally attained credit reports of 2 Gephardt opponents in 1996, though Dick and his paid staff were cleared of charges. He failed to report his half-interest in a $750,000 North Carolina beach home in his 1992 disclosure report, doing so 3 weeks later after being questioned about it. Required extensive surgery to remove his lips from Bush's Rose garden.

Al Sharpton: Seen on an FBI surveillance tape discussing a money laundering deal with mafioso Michael Franzese. Known associate of Michael Jackson. Reckless demagogue. Two words: Tawanna Brawley.

John Edwards: Admitted lawyer. Can't get a break in this election, and you want to throw him against the Bush machine?

Joseph Lieberman: DLC hack. Gore backstabber, chair of the "Rugburns for Bush" committee.

John Kerry: Looks like Harry Dean Stanton. Another DLC hack. Thinks he is John Kennedy Jr, Jr. Corporate Ketchup minion.

Alright, I ran out of steam. Whom did I not offend? Well, they're ugly, dumb, and smell bad. They should go away, join the Republican party, and suffer an ignoble, political demise. So there.
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PAMod Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:16 PM
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1. Heh heh - even still, they're all an improvement over Bush
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:17 PM
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2. This realchange.org place must be discredited
right?
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:34 PM
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9. Sure it can. Follow the money.
I'm sure there's a Bradley or Olin foundation grant in there somewhere, no?
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:44 PM
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13. I dont know, but maybe they'll stop using it as a Nder discredit source?
maybe? ya think?
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West Coast Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:52 PM
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15. Mark Salveit, Editor of "the Palindromist".....
is the guy involved with realchange.org. I don't know much about him.

http://www.realchange.org/pal/index2.htm#contents
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:27 PM
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21. They discredit themselves by simply acting as a tennis ball machine
that flings turds void of context.

This is not a muckraking site that actually takes the time to go into any great detail or analyze charges or issues.

Their mission is SMUTRAKING pure and simple.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:17 PM
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3. Harry Dean Stanton is a DLC hack?
I'm disappointed in Harry.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:28 PM
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4. come on Dems! "suck" it up :-)
certainly Dems can deal with a little criticism, right?
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:31 PM
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5. maybe not?
ask me again in December of 2004
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:32 PM
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7. if it gets to that point
it should be a lot more than criticism
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:31 PM
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6. Dupe post, clicked twice-sorry /nt
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 01:33 PM by einsteins stein
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:33 PM
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8. Yea, well - Republicans suck HARDER.
.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:35 PM
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11. there's that "lesser of two evils" thing again
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:47 AM
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26. Yup, there it is again -
Two evils, both distinct and separate. NOT THE SAME. One is so much worse that it makes the other look like a cocktail party.
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:34 PM
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10. Democrats do indeed suck -- but this is not why.
It's much, much more serious than this. And it's no laughing matter.
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:42 PM
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12. Are Repukes perfect, mindless, or pragmatic?
Why do we expect Dems to be perfect before we vote for them?

Republicans don't have that problem, they know they suck, and they vote Repuke anyway. They have the "Anyone But A Dem" issue down pat.

As a result, partially, they currently control the entire federal government.


Let's pretend that Howard Dean is a draft dodger, Clark is a war criminal, or Kerry is a corporate lapdog.

Let's vote for them anyway! At this point, what have we got to lose?
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:52 PM
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14. No one is looking for "perfect." It's a question of getting the right
general ballpark, that's all.

And you ask, "At this point, what have we got to lose?" -- I'm glad you're so light-hearted and whimsical about it, but actually, the future of the whole f**king planet is on the line, as well as the future of the country & its political system. All that's needed is one very bad choice here -- and the jig is up.
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:55 PM
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16. If you think this is about whimsy
you haven't read my other posts in this forum.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:08 PM
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17. All I know is
I am not going too sit out '04 because I don't think the Dem nominee is "PERFECT." Actually, simply BECAUSE "the future of the whole f**king planet is on the line, as well as the future of the country and it's political system". Any Dem is better than Bush*, PERIOD. Nothing "light-hearted and whimsical" about it.
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:14 PM
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18. That, I believe, is exactly my point
Anybody But Bush. Even a draft dodger, a war criminal, or a corporate lapdog.

Bush is ALL of those, and evil. I believe the man is evil.

Who gives a flying ratf*ck if the Dem is not perfect. Do you want to know what my idea of perfect is, for 2004?

ANYBODY BUT BUSH.

That would be perfect. Or, at least, that would be a start.
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RichM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:23 PM
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20. "ABB" is the exact wrong terms in which to view the situation. It confuses
people, making them think the situation is simple (and it's not at all simple).

Moreover, it disguises the important truth that the Democrats are for the most part PARTNERS with the Republicans, & that by choosing a right-leaning Democrat, one sets up a contest of an outright fascist versus a "mere" enabler of the corporate oligarchy. Once you have that kind of choice, you've ALREADY lost. Losing sight of this is terribly dangerous, & that's what you are encouraging with this simplistic "ABB" nonsense.
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:55 PM
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24. Thats your opinion
and I respect it as yours.

It isn't mine. I do not think ABB is any sort of nonsense. I think that spending time bashing this Dem or that Dem is nonsense. Now, with this post, all the Dems have been bashed.

Canwe now get back to the real issue, which is getting Bush OUT of office.

If folks wouldn't be so interested in character self assasination, then we wouldn't to say "Hey, Anybody But Bush."

I'm sure you'll respond, but I have to go buy groceries. I'll argue this later...
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 03:04 PM
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25. OK, Dems Do NOT Suck
But, for once, I figured if everyone was attacking ME, they wouldn't be attacking a Dem candidate.

I wanted to give you all a common enemy, to unite you, focus you, and fire up your blood.

It seems to have worked (to some degree) on everyone but Terwilliger. LOL

Now, take that unity, direct it against Bush.

Dems are not perfect, but they don't have to be.

Like I said before, Dean may be called a draft dodger, Clark may be called a war criminal, and Kerry may be called a corporate lapdog, but Bush actually is ALL THREE rolled into one, chimpy, little ball of evil.

IMO, ANY of these guys would be better than Bush. Any Dem, even Liebermen, would be better than Bush.

Let's get Bush out and save the planet, first.

Then, we can get to work on the REALLY hard job - saving the Democratic party... :-)

Can we start from there?

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:20 PM
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19. they bash everybody. n/t
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:32 PM
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22. Not exactly a "credible source"
... not when they consider a "lesbian tryst" to be a "severe scandal." The pol perp in this case (William L. Paroli, Sr.) was also guilty of being "hugely overweight". Good thing he wasn't Black or Jewish! Click to http://www.realchange.org/severe.htm

"Real Change" is bipartisan/trendy-cynical on the surface, but deep down, it's really just sophomoric. And my apologies go out to the sophomores of the world.

--bkl
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einsteins stein Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:48 PM
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23. Psst - BareknuckledLiberal!, C'mere!
It wasn't intended to be a credible source...
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