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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:34 PM
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Is the Electronic Voting Machine "glitch" a republican conspiracy?
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 01:23 PM by in_cog_ni_to
"I" know it is....just curious if all of you feel the same? Are they trying to ensure their place in office FOREVER? Why did only republicans benefit from the computer "glitches"?

I'm so sick of having that "Democrat Conspiracy" thrown back in my face!

edited for spelling
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Homer12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:36 PM
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1. It's not a conspiracy

We would not know about a real conspiracy. A conspiracy is contrived secretly, the Republicans are not doing this secretly, or have not been successful in being able to do it.

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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:13 PM
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2. if that were true, then no one would ever be convicted of "conspiracy"
We would not know about a real conspiracy. A conspiracy is contrived secretly, the Republicans are not doing this secretly, or have not been successful in being able to do it.

if that were true, then no one could ever be convicted of "conspiracy", because by definition it would have to be "known" in order to be brought to trial. but even using your inconsistent definition, it seems that since you don't "believe" in the conspiracy, that is as good as it not being known. therefore, it very well could be a conspiracy.


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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:57 PM
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3. Here are my thoughts
The voting constituency of the Republican Party is limited.

Their core has a military-intelligence-corporate-banking-media base.
There are not enough of them to carry a vote.
They woo abortion haters and fundamentalists for their votes.
They woo gun lovers for their votes.
They woo libertarians for their votes by claiming the want to limit government.
They woo (or brainwash) military youth.
They already have a certain per cent of old Republicans who think they are keeping up with the times by believing these neo-cons.
Their cabal army is huge - they groom judges, lawyers, civic employees, media, expert guests - they fund think tanks and foundations.

But there aren't enough of them to carry a vote.

If left to a free media they would never get enough guest spots on shows to get their message across - cable is their platform from the imbalanced and unfair hosts and joker hosts to their guests and the shout-downs of anyone who wants to tell the truth.

They are all passionate and you have to guess that everyone of them got out there to vote for Bush - they got less than 50 % of the votes. Florida was the opening for electronic machines - they made paper a joke in the coverage - they won very suspiciously in 2002, over and over in various states.

Senator Hagel - a Republican has ties to one of the voting machine manufacturers - sits on the board.
What O'Dell said recently should be familiar to you.

The cabal plays dirty in everything else - from Watergate to Iran-Contra - to the Iranian hostage win over Carter - to the overthrow and assassinations of leaders of other countries - to massacres in other countries - to the impeachments of duly elected Presidents - to tratiorous relationships with other countries - to usury conditions with other countries - possibly to the assassinations of a duly elected President and other leaders - from using government employees to go to Miami and pretend they were Florida voters to lies, lies, lies and to stealth supreme court members.

They are an army - they will do everything they can to conquer for the greater glory of a few. Black box voting machines are a piece of cake - I believe they are arrogant enough to do it and they may be getting sloppy as hell.


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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:00 PM
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4. Well a brief review of http://www.blackboxvoting.com
is all it takes to convince anyone of the plan.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:20 PM
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7. And a few visits to.....
.....Black Box Voting.org will help you get active in fighting them! :evilgrin:

What's so damn hard about printing a human readable ballot and writing laws that allow humans to look at them anyway? :shrug:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:14 PM
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5. Theonomic Reconstructionism: One God, One Vote:
"We protect the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence. Now, we protect the most sacred treasure we have, our secret ballot." Diebold CEO Wally O'Dell, May 2002

"My purpose is total intergration of biblical law into our lives." Howard Ahmanson

Theonomic Reconstructionism is a belief that the only true authority is God's, that allegiance to biblical laws trumps that of civic law and that the Kingdom of Heaven needs to be built on Earth before Jesus will come again.... and there is a great need for more Christian politicans.

.......Funded by billionaries such as Howard Ahmanson and the Coors and Hunt families, Reconstructionists formed think tanks such as the Chalcedon Institute and the Rutherford Institute to give the Christian Right a philosophical base to draw from, and political action committees to finance their elections.

...... Howard jr. parlayed his fortune into the majority stock of a business called American Information Systems started by two enterprising brothers, Todd and Bob Urosevich. AIS later merged with Business Records Corporation and became Election Systems & Solutions (ES&S). ES&S is the number one provider of touch-screen voting machines.

Todd Urosevich is now Vice President of ES&S. Bob moved on to head the second largest computerized vote-counting business, Global Election Systems, recently purchased by ATM and security giant Diebold. Previous executives from Global moved on to head the third largest vote-counting company in the nation, Advanced Voting Systems. Combined, these three corporations will process nearly 80% of the next nationwide elections.

BIBLICAL LAW TRUMPS CIVIL LAW




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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:17 PM
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6. No, it's just all a big coincidence...
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 02:19 PM by Patriot_Spear
...Chuck Hagel, the CEO of Diebold, Rob-Georgia, the mid-election remotely operated vote count in California, etc... it's an accident, a fluke, if you will.

The fact that it's happened a dozen times should be no cause for alarm or inquiry. Nothing to see here; move along.
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