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RedSox02 Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:49 AM
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The Bush "Haters"
Is it me, or is it somewhat ironic that the right is horrified at how much the left just "hates Bush". I mean when Clinton was President, the right was so kind and civil and just let him do his job, and never questioned any of his military operations and never wasted his time with petty scandals and, oh nevermind.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:52 AM
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1. Your Memory Serves You Well
I remember 8 years of bipartisan pleasantness and absolutely no political bickering. Oh, wait a minute! I meant the exact opposite.
The Professor
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:52 AM
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2. Oh they're just playing VICTIM.
They'll get used to it.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:54 AM
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4. Exactly
whine whine whine. "We didn't do anything wrong. Our policies are all great and perfectly executed. The Left Wing just has an irrational hate for our glorious leader. Waaa Waaa Waaa...."
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:53 AM
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3. It's called hypocrisy
It's a republican trademark
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rogerashton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:54 AM
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5. Republicans and conservatives have made themselves hateful.
The reasonable response is to hate the hateful.

Clearly, the cons live in a dreamworld in which they can peddle hate but bleeding-heart liberals are too nice to hate them in return. Progressives, however, are not nice.

The problem with hate is that it tends to lead to violence and bloodshed. But when Republican-Conservative haters make themselves hateful, what other response is reasonable?

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LeahMira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:33 AM
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13. More "either/or" thinking...
They mistake criticism and disagreement with hate. Bush laid out the parameters very clearly... you're either with the U.S. or you are with the terrorists type language sounds tough but it's never helpful to anyone.


The problem with hate is that it tends to lead to violence and bloodshed. But when Republican-Conservative haters
make themselves hateful, what other response is reasonable?


You know that answer. Hate the violence and hate the bloodshed, hate the lies and hate the meanness, but don't hate people. It's not easy to see, but try to see where the hateful ideas are coming from.

Here's a good article: http://www.tikkun.org/magazine/index.cfm/action/tikkun/...
There's some "promotion" going on in the text, but pay attention to the message.

One interesting thought from the article:
"The first thing we discovered is this: Most people have bought into the ideology of the
Meritocracy. They believe that America is a society where "you can make it if you really try,"
and hence they end up blaming themselves for not being "enough"smart enough, clever
enough, persistent enough, attractive enough, ruthless enough, charming enough, or _______
(fill in the blank when you tell your own self-blaming story). It is this personal failure that
explains why they personally have not been more successful. These self-blaming stories are
an integral part of the consciousness of most people in this society, no matter where they are
in the class hierarchy (we even found college presidents engaged in self-blaming to explain
why they weren't the Secretary of Education or in some other position of power). And
because they blame themselves instead of feeling that they have the right to challenge the
social order with its inequalities of power and wealth, they direct their anger against
themselves, and feel terrible about themselves."
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:55 AM
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6. It's not just you...
They're just playing the victim (because they remember that in the thick of their attack Clinton had approval ratings well above Chim-Chim's...and they didn't fall the way his do, either).

Or....MOST of them are just spinning to play the victim. There's also a faction that's in full cognitive dissonance and really does believe there's no relation.
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M155Y_A1CH Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 09:56 AM
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7. Oops,
I was hoping "Bush Haters" was a club
I might like to join.
:bounce: My bad.
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Sick of Bullshit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:08 AM
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8. Actually, there is a club like that
It meets right here, all day, every day. No membership is fee required, but donations are welcome.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:10 AM
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9. Would they have supported the Iraq invasion if Clinton were president?
I often wonder that....
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:27 PM
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20. Oh Yeah
And Hitler gets the Nobel Prize for peace.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:41 PM
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22. I would have suported this one
If it had been done right. Saddam did need to be confronted so that the sanctions could be ended once and for all. If he had refused to capitulate in the face of pressure from the entire UN we could have gone in there with the entire worlds support. Problem is it apears that he was cooperating so we probbly would have never gotten to the point where I would have supported it no matter who was in office.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:14 AM
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10. No comparison
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 10:16 AM by StClone
The Right hated Clinton the way they hated the USSR. They had found the strawman-boogeyman-bugbear to fuel the fear in their collective mind. He did not deserve the hate that they invented. He beat them and he outsmarted them quite often and his personna was one that rubbed these pallid skinned dark hearted weasels to no end.

Bush however is a clumsy liar, a swiss cheese intellect and back slapping satan. He has done much damage to us all even the rich and deserves no love and hate can be defended by the facts.

Answer me this you spies: why under Bush's watch does it seem that all hell has broken loose? Not by coincidence mind you.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:33 PM
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21. "Blinded by the Right" - essentially, the Right-Wingers
were directionless after the "fall of Communism" (which, incidentally, really spurred a bunch of free-market capitalism, in theory, when it came to USSR's nukes).

They found a beacon of light to direct their hate towards in Bill Clinton.
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AmandaRuth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:15 AM
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11. All things rethug make me ill.
The rethugs wrote the dirty tricks play book.

They can sure dish it out (the Clinton years) but they can't take it. I, for one will never forget. Oh lets say Dori Monson on Kiro, which is supposed to be a moderate news radio station, making a three day skit out of the Lewinski deps, with an actress, who had a extreme valley girl voice, quite a caricature, reading the Lewinski parts. Now this news station did not do that for news value, but to humiliate President Clinton. Dori Monson claims he is an independent but really he is just part of the big rethug noise machine.

Hey, Dori thanks for showing me how the thugs really act and for making me a democrat for life.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:31 AM
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12. I think they can take it
But use the "those low Dems... I am offended" schtick because it works. Americans fall for this. Republican plotters often follow what you'd see played-out in Pro-Westling and Americans eat it up with a spoon.

The Wellstone memorial was an example of this. "It was no memorial" they say, but a bellicose besmirching of all that is sacred to advance Liberalism.

Re-publican schemes are highly planned and orchestrated. With lots of money and think tank micro-management monkies, though with less flash than the WWF, but with far more danager.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:15 PM
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25. Speaking of KIRO...
Franken was just on with Ross. And yes, Monson is part of the spin-cycle. The thing that cracks me up is that he actually believes that he's very intelligent, when he might be just a hair over average.
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:36 AM
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14. I wish I could remember who said it
Can anybody help me out? Something about how they weren't mean to Clinton, everything they said about him was true, so it was okay that they said it. But we're being mean to Bush, and it's not fair.
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Patriot_Spear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:40 AM
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15. Yeah, I hate Bush*...
You got a problem with that?
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 10:53 AM
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16. only the rite
is allowed to be hateful with no consequences.
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indypaul Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:40 AM
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17. If the "wingnuts"
would only take the time to read that book they like
to thump. Somewhere it is written, "You shall reap
what you soe."
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swinney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:58 AM
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18. $110,000,000--spent to destroy Clinton by GOP.
That is amount the republicans spent on Hearings and Investigations in a "failed" effort to "destroy" a "Great" presidency.

PRESIDENT CLINTON--GREATEST PRESIDENT OF TWENTIETH CENTURY.

In spite of what you hear--Records-Records-Records--Facts-Facts-Numbers-Numbers.

They all say Greatest. NO PRESIDENT CAN MATCH HIS NUMBERS.

CWSWINNEY@NETZERO.NET -- TOTALLY UNBIASED-- FAIR & BALANCED
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 12:18 PM
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19. Okay, how would the RW have responded?
Edited on Mon Sep-22-03 12:19 PM by jumptheshadow
Would the RW had been worked about Clinton:

* If Bill Clinton had invaded Iraq without an exit plan?
* If Bill Clinton had run up elephantine deficits while exponentially expanding government spending?
* If Janet Reno had gone on the stomp around the country advocating the Patriot II bill?
* If Janet Reno had held any Americans without due process?
* If the Clinton FBI had allowed a planeload of Saudis to depart from our country without proper questioning after 9/11?
* If the Clinton administration had awarded no-bid contracts in Iraq for a company formerly headed by Al Gore?
* If wounded soldiers had to pay for their own meals while Clinton was in power?

And the list goes on and on...
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 01:43 PM
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23. They Would Have Responded "Wag The Dog" For Clintons Inablity To Catch...
Bin Laden and the ever tanking economy.

Jay
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:10 PM
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24. Great Jonathan Chait Article at TNR
It's a very long article and a great read. Chait is a terrific writer.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030929&s=chait092903

<snip>
Mad About You
by Jonathan Chait

I hate President George W. Bush. There, I said it. I think his policies rank him among the worst presidents in U.S. history. And, while I'm tempted to leave it at that, the truth is that I hate him for less substantive reasons, too. I hate the inequitable way he has come to his economic and political achievements and his utter lack of humility (disguised behind transparently false modesty) at having done so. His favorite answer to the question of nepotism--"I inherited half my father's friends and all his enemies"--conveys the laughable implication that his birth bestowed more disadvantage than advantage. He reminds me of a certain type I knew in high school--the kid who was given a fancy sports car for his sixteenth birthday and believed that he had somehow earned it...

<snip>

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 02:23 PM
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26. What's not to hate about the prancing Royal Prick?
Hate Bush? Count me in!
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